Most important fact of all about ISIS

I'm not saying that these guys who are leading this aren't religious, I'm saying their primary focus in all of this is very similar to almost all other "freedom fighters"/"terrorists"..

Our Founders were freedom fighters too, but they did not want to establish a Nazi caliphate, they wanted to establish a very very limited govt so we could be free of govt.

Get it? Some want freedom from all govt; some want freedom only from the current govt so they can impose their own equally or more powerful govt.

Please post on fridge for daily review.
 
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ISIS is liberal in that it supports a powerful, magical central govt that somehow will do wonderful things. This, obviously, is the opposite POV that led our Founders to write the Constitution.

Er.... who says this is a definition of liberal? Oh wait, yeah, people with no clue.

The founders didn't make a powerful central govt?? News to me. Okay, it wasn't magical, then again I don't know of any country outside of Harry Potter that has tried to do a magical one.
 
I'm not saying that these guys who are leading this aren't religious, I'm saying their primary focus in all of this is very similar to almost all other "freedom fighters"/"terrorists"..

Our Founders were freedom fighters too, but they did not want to establish a Nazi caliphate, they wanted to establish a very very limited govt so we could be free of govt.

Get it? Some want freedom from all govt; some want freedom only from the current govt so they can impose their own equally or more powerful govt.

Please post on fridge for daily review.

YEah, the founders wanted you to be free of the govt, but then they produced a gun totting govt that goes around the world messing it up, providing arms to people, invading others, removing leaders from other places.

Many see the US as satanic, and to be honest they're not too wrong. The US has caused plenty of death and misery in the world.

I could start with things like the World Bank going around the world, offering money to do terrible things, which corrupt leaders will do because they just want the money.

http://www.citizen.org/documents/Bolivia_(PDF).PDF

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In February and March of 2000, protests broke out in Cochabamba, Bolivia, in response to the skyrocketing price of water. Many people saw their bills triple or even quadruple, just weeks after Aguas del Tunari, a private company owned by London-based multinational International Water Ltd., took over the city’s water system."

Privatization of Water in Bolivia

"In the 1990s, under World Bank guidance, the water systems of some of Bolivia’s poorest regions were put up for sale to private investors. In the area of Cochabamba, a US-owned company, Bechtel, was awarded a long-term contract to manage and deliver water in that region."

"Many were unable to pay such high rates, and even though water was now available to them, they couldn’t access it because they couldn’t afford it."

Then you have situations where the US helped to topple a democratically elected leader in Hugo Chavez in 2002 (which ultimately failed), while supporting undemocratic countries which treat human rights like a floor mat, such as Saudi Arabia.

Then you have wars, interference in other countries, like Iraq.
 
Edward you are fucking nuts. Geeze louise. No sane person could link even the likes of Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi to Baghdadi.

Shut up.

dear, you are calling names like a child. Do you have a reason? Notice that having a reason does not even occur to a liberal. See why we say , slow?

Eddy baby. I have been on ISIS while you were still discovering your president used a teleprompter.
 
Most important fact about ISIS is how they came about. They didn't just magically appear. And neither did their money & weapons. It was all provided to them. But by who? Well, don't wait for your Government and its Corporate Media to answer that question for you. Do your own research and answer it yourself. Which nations in the world wanted Assad out the most?
 
Most important fact about ISIS is how they came about. They didn't just magically appear. And neither did their money & weapons. It was all provided to them. But by who? Well, don't wait for your Government and its Corporate Media to answer that question for you. Do your own research and answer it yourself. Which nations in the world wanted Assad out the most?

It's not just about money and weapons. It's also the why of how these people ended up wanting to fight in such a war. Decades, even centuries, of abuse from the west is why.

Unless the west stops being abusive, trying to control and manipulate everything in their favor, it's always going to be the same.
 
Many see the US as satanic, and to be honest they're not too wrong. The US has caused plenty of death and misery in the world.

You mean by defeating HItler Stalin Mao Pol Pot Castro Tojo and being the world's physical, moral, and intellectual policeman and by inventing modern medicine? You mean by being the source of civilization on earth?

See why we are positive liberalism is based in pure ignorance?
 
I'm not saying that these guys who are leading this aren't religious, I'm saying their primary focus in all of this is very similar to almost all other "freedom fighters"/"terrorists"..

Our Founders were freedom fighters too, but they did not want to establish a Nazi caliphate, they wanted to establish a very very limited govt so we could be free of govt.

Get it? Some want freedom from all govt; some want freedom only from the current govt so they can impose their own equally or more powerful govt.

Please post on fridge for daily review.
Only about a third of them were actual "fighters". Most of them were politicians, lawyers and judges and rich dudes.
 
Many see the US as satanic, and to be honest they're not too wrong. The US has caused plenty of death and misery in the world.

You mean by defeating HItler Stalin Mao Pol Pot Castro Tojo and being the world's physical, moral, and intellectual policeman and by inventing modern medicine? You mean by being the source of civilization on earth?

See why we are positive liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

Wow there.
The US SUPPORTED Pol Pot. Or did you forget that one?

US supports Pol Pot

"For the last eleven years the United States government, in a covert operation born of cynicism and hypocrisy, has collaborated with the genocidal Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. More specifically, Washington has covertly aided and abetted the Pol Potists' guerrilla war to overthrow the Vietnamese backed government of Prime Minister Hun Sen, which replaced the Khmer Rouge regime."

Yep, the Vietnamese ousted Pol Pot from Cambodia, and then when the Vietnamese wanted non-Khmer Rouge people to represent Cambodia in the UN, the US made sure Pol Pot's regime, while having no power at home, represented Cambodia in the UN.
Evil or not?

Also the US was ALLIES with Stalin, and Stalin was clearly not defeated by the US but by death, potentially at the hands of a doctor, but people don't really know.

But the US fought Hitler only AFTER the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and not before. Why was that? Why did the US not intervene before hand? Oh it wasn't in their interests.

Castro wasn't defeated, he handed over the reigns of the country to his brother who is still running the country.

Oh, you defeated the Japanese too. Evil? I'm not so sure about that. They certainly committed a lot of atrocities that I certainly am not going to defend, however a lot of it was done in the name of honor.

So, you defeated 2 out of the 5 you mentioned.

Shall I give a list of dictators the US has supported now?

Dictators supported by the US in Forum - What s Newsy and HOT Right Now Forum

Here's a list.

"Africa
MOBUTU SESE SEKO
Dictator of Zaire 1965-1997
MOHAMMED SIAD BARRE
President/Dictator of Somalia 1969-1991
GEN. IBRAHIM BABANGIDA
Military Dictator/President of Nigeria 1985-1993
GEN. SANI ABACHA
Dictator of Nigeria 1993-1998
HASTINGS KAMUZU BANDA
Dictator of Malawi 1966-1994
LAURENT-DÉSIRÉ KABILA
President/Dictator of the Democratic Republic of the Congo 1997-2001
GNASSINGBE ETIENNE EYADEMA
Dictator of Togo 1967-2005
FELIX HOUPHOUET-BOIGNY
Dictator/President of the Ivory Coast 1960-1993
HASSAN II
King of Morocco 1961-1999
TEODORO OBIANG NGUEMA MBASOGO
President/Dictator of Equatorial Guinea 1979-present
ZINE EL ABIDINE BEN ALI
President-Prime Minister/Dictator of Tunisia 1987-2011
ANWAR EL-SADAT
President/Dictator of Egypt 1970-1981
HOSNI MUBARAK
President/Dictator of Egypt 1981-present
IAN SMITH
Prime Minister of Rhodesia (white minority regime) 1965-1979
PIETER WILLEM BOTHA
Prime Minister of South Africa (white minority regime) 1978-1984, President 1984-1989
DANIEL ARAP MOI
President/Dictator of Kenya 1978-2002
HAILE SELASSIE (RAS TAFARI)
Emperor of Ethiopia 1928-1974
WILLIAM J. S. TUBMAN
President/Dictator of Liberia 1944-1971
SAMUEL KANYON DOE
Dictator of Liberia 1980-1990

Asia
MOHAMED SUHARTO
Dictator of Indonesia 1966-1998
NGO DINH DIEM
President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1955-1963
GEN. NGUYEN KHANH
Dictator of South Vietnam 1964-1965
NGUYEN CAO KY
Dictator of South Vietnam 1965-1967
GEN. NGUYEN VAN THIEU
President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1967-1975
TRAN THIEM KHIEM
Prime Minister of South Vietnam 1969-75
BAO DAI
Emperor of Vietnam 1926-1945, chief of state 1949-1955
LEE KUAN YEW
Prime Minister/Dictator of Singapore 1959-1990; behind-the scenes ruler since then.
EMOMALI RAHMONOV
President/Dictator of Tajikistan 1992-present
NURSULTAN NAZARBAYEV
President of Kazakhstan 1990-present
ISLAM A. KARIMOV
President/Dictator of Uzbekistan 1990-present
SAPARMURAD ATAYEVICH NIYAZOV
President/Dictator of Turkmenistan 1990-2006
MARSHAL LUANG PIBUL SONGGRAM
Dictator of Thailand 1948-1957
FIELD MARSHAL THANOM KITTIKACHORN
Prime Minister/Dictator of Thailand 1957-58, 1963-1973
CHIANG KAI-SHEK
President/Dictator (Nationalist) of China 1928-1949
President/Dictator of Taiwan 1949-1975
CHIANG CHING-KUO
President/Dicator of Taiwan 1978-1988; Prime Minister 1972-1978
DENG XIAOPING
De facto ruler of China from circa 1978 to the early 1990s
FERDINAND MARCOS
President/Dictator of the Philippines 1965-1986
SYNGMAN RHEE
President/Dictator of South Korea 1948-1960
GEN. PARK CHUNG HEE
President/Dictator of South Korea 1962-1979
GEN. CHUN DOO HWAN
President/Dictator of South Korea 1980-1988
SIR MUDA HASSANAL BOLKIAH
Sultan of Brunei 1967-present
GEN. LON NOL
Prime Minister/Dictator of Cambodia 1970-1975
POL POT
Dictator of Cambodia 1975-1979
MAJ. GEN. SITIVENI RABUKA
Dictator of Fiji 1987-1999
ASKAR AKAYEV
President of Kyrgyzstan 10/27/1990-2005

Europe
FRANCISCO FRANCO
Dictator of Spain 1939-1975
ANTONIO SALAZAR DE OLIVEIRA
Dictator of Portugal 1928-1968
COL. GEORGIOS PAPADOPOULOS
Prime Minister/President/Dictator of Greece 1967-1973

Latin America
ANASTASIO SOMOZA GARCIA
Dictator of Nicaragua 1937-1947, 1950-1956
ANASTASIO "TACHITO" SOMOZA DEBAYLE
Dictator of Nicaragua 1967-1972, 1974-1979
MANUEL ESTRADA CABRERA
Dictator of Guatemala 1898-1920
GEN. JORGE UBICO CASTANEDA
Dictator of Guatemala 1931-1944
COL. CARLOS ENRIQUE CASTILLO ARMAS
Dictator of Guatemala 1954-1957
GEN. JOSE MIGUEL YDIGORAS FUENTES
President/Dictator of Guatemala 1958-1963
COL. ENRIQUE PERALTA AZURDIA
Military Junta, Guatemala 1963-1966
COL.CARLOS ARANA OSORIO
Dictator of Guatemala 1970-1974
GEN. FERNANDO ROMEO LUCAS GARCIA
Dictator of Guatemala 1978-1982
GEN. JOSE EFRAIN RIOS MONTT
Dictator of Guatemala 1982-1983
MARCO VINICIO CEREZO ARÉVALO
President/Dictator of Guatemala 1986-1991
MAXIMILIANO HERNANDEZ MARTINEZ
Dictator of El Salvador 1931-1944
COL. OSMIN AGUIRRE Y SALINAS
Dictator of El Salvador 1944-1945
CIVILIAN-MILITARY JUNTA, EL SALVADOR
1961-1962
COL. ARTURO ARMANDO MOLINA BARRAZA
Dictator of El Salvador 1972-1977
JUNTA, EL SALVADOR
1979-1982
ALFREDO FÉLIX CRISTIANI BUKARD
President/Dictator of El Salvador 1989-1994
TIBURCIO CARIAS ANDINO
Dictator of Honduras 1932-1948
COL. OSWALDO LOPEZ ARELLANO
Dictator of Honduras 1963-1975
ROBERTO SUAZO CORDOVA
President/Dictator of Honduras 1982-1986
GEN. OMAR HERRERA-TORRIJOS
Dictator of Panama 1969-1981
GEN. MANUEL ANTONIO MORENA NORIEGA
Dictator of Panama 1982-1989
AUGUSTO PINOCHET UGARTE
Dictator of Chile 1973-1990
GEN. JORGE RAFAEL VIDELA
Dictator of Argentina 1976-1981
COL. MARCOS PEREZ JIMENEZ
Dictator of Venezuela 1950-1958
GEN. ALFREDO STROESSNER
Dictator of Paraguay 1954-1989
ALBERTO FUJIMORI
Dictator of Peru 1990-2000
FRANCOIS "PAPA DOC" DUVALIER
Dictator of Haiti 1957-1971
JEAN-CLAUDE "BABY DOC" DUVALIER
Dictator of Haiti 1971-1986
MILITARY JUNTA / LT. GEN. RAOUL CEDRAS, GEN. PHILIPPE BIAMBY and LT. COL. MICHEL-JOSEPH FRANCO
Haiti 1991-1994
GEN. RENE BARRIENTOS ORTUNO
President/Dictator of Bolivia 1964-1969
GEN. HUGO BANZER SUAREZ
Dictator of Bolivia 1971-1978
DR. GETULIO VARGAS
Dictator of Brazil 1930-1945, 1951-1954
GEN. HUMBERTO DE ALENCAR CASTELLO BRANCO
Dictator of Brazil 1964-1967
CARLOS PRIO SOCARRAS
Dictator of Cuba 1948-1952
FULGENCIO BATISTA
Dictator of Cuba 1933-44, 1952-1959
GERARDO MACHADO MORALES
Dictator of Cuba 1925-1933
RAFAEL LEONIDAS TRUJILLO
Dictator of the Dominican Republic 1930-1961

Middle East
MOHAMMED REZA PAHLAVI
Shah of Iran 1941-1979
SADDAM HUSSEIN
Dictator of Iraq 1969 (1979)-2003
GEN. MOHAMMED AYUB KHAN
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1958-1969
GEN. AGHA MUHAMMAD YAHYA KHAN
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1969-1971
GEN. MOHAMMAD ZIA UL-HAQ
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1977-1988
PERVEZ MUSHARRAF
Dictator of Pakistan 1999-2008
ABDUL IBN HUSSEIN I
King of Jordan 1952-1999
TURGUT ÖZAL
Prime Minister of Turkey 1983-1989, President 1989-1993
SHEIK JABIR AL-AHMAD AL SABAH
Emir of Kuwait 1977-2006
Prime Minister of Kuwait 1962-1963, 1965-1978
FAHD IBN ABDUL-AZIZ AL SAUD
King and Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia 1982-2005"
 
The founders didn't make a powerful central govt?? News to me.

News to you because you are a typical liberal, i.e., not too bright. Our Founders created a govt about 1% the size of todays on an inflation adjusted per capita basis.

Exactly how bright is it to simply start insulting people?

The founders created a smaller govt, possibly because the US contained less than 4 million people at the time, that's nearly 1% of the size of present population, well it's estimated at 317 million now, 1790 had 3.9 million people, so a little out but not far off.
 
ISIS is partly a Western creation. All to 'Regime Change' Assad. Hopefully one day Americans will come to realize that they have to escape the Government/Corporate Media sphere of information. The Government/Media Complex lies. It's just what it does.
 
The founders didn't make a powerful central govt?? News to me.

News to you because you are a typical liberal, i.e., not too bright. Our Founders created a govt about 1% the size of todays on an inflation adjusted per capita basis.

Exactly how bright is it to simply start insulting people?

The founders created a smaller govt, possibly because the US contained less than 4 million people at the time, that's nearly 1% of the size of present population, well it's estimated at 317 million now, 1790 had 3.9 million people, so a little out but not far off.

dear, I said on a per capita basis. See what I mean about a liberal not being too bright?
 
ISIS is partly a Western creation. All to 'Regime Change' Assad. Hopefully one day Americans will come to realize that they have to escape the Government/Corporate Media sphere of information. The Government/Media Complex lies. It's just what it does.

dear, why not tell us the truth that is being hidden from us??
 
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It is the quintessential liberal group in that it attracts members like any liberal group, namely, by promising magical central govt. When Jefferson said our revolution was the shot heard around the world he meant that it promised freedom from central govt, to all of humanity, for the first time in human history. But, liberals killed that message so the world remains in deadly turmoil with numerous and various liberal groups vying to control central govts that they promise will do magical things. Whether its FDR and Obama promising to end the depressions with the very liberal methods that caused the depressions, ISIS promising Shuria law heaven on earth, Pol Pot promising real communism, or Louis IXV promising to rule in Gods name, it's all the liberal central govt insanity that our Founders warned us against when they wrote the Constitution that gave us a centrl govt limited to only a fewl well spelled out enumerated powers.

I agree with this.
 
ISIS is partly a Western creation. All to 'Regime Change' Assad. Hopefully one day Americans will come to realize that they have to escape the Government/Corporate Media sphere of information. The Government/Media Complex lies. It's just what it does.
Isis could never come out of the West. They don't even have American values so i dont see how you could claim that they're from here. And if they really are an American ally, why are we fighting them now?
 
Shall I give a list of dictators the US has supported now?

No dear not a list. We are the world's moral, intellectual and physical policeman and as such the source of civilization on earth. If you lack the IQ to see this please present to us the most substantive mistake we have made to drive home your point. Thanks.
 

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