Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[mikegriffith1]

Notice that liberals here are not addressing the facts that show the war was not fought over slavery. They simply keep conflating secession with the war and acting like they were a single event.

They also ignore the demonstrable fact that four of the 11 Confederate states did not secede over slavery; in fact, they rejected secession was it was based on slavery and economic issues--they only seceded because they believed it was unconstitutional to maintain the Union by force. The seven Deep South states seceded mainly over slavery, but the four Upper South states did not.

 

[Pogo]

the KKK was made up primarily of democrats and existed in every state in the USA at some point in history. Yes, I could have mentioned Thrumon and I could also have mentioned Byrd.

...that part about the KKK being primarily democrats in every state at some point in history ---- the KKK still exists, what made them identify more with Trump and the GOP than they do Democrats -- did something happen historically or something?

That's a myth that floats around here. I shoot it down regularly. The Klan would highlight whichever of its hate targets would strike a nerve in that area. In Maine for instance it was Catholics. And Maine being as solidly Republican as the "Solid South" was Democratic, both the prominent Klan people (like Owen Brewster) and the prominent anti-Klan people, were Republicans.

The other inconvenient factor is that Catholics, Jews, Blacks, labor unions and immigrants --- the Klan's targets in those days --- are all Democratic constituents.

thanks for posting those historical facts. But the one fact that you ignore is that the civil war was not ONLY about slavery. That is the topic being discussed here. but I congratulate you on your diversionary tactics.

Hey, you're the guy who diverged from the Civil War on to the Klan (which didn't exist until after the war). I corrected your diversion -- fully understanding that its purpose was to float mythologies.

You're welcome.

 

[keepitreal]

Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery

Business owners are still profiting,
at the expense of consumers, customers,
and their front line employees.

The institution of greed for gain,
did not collapse when slavery ended....

I may not have much, but I am better than a black man

That statement alone, tells me you are not

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

If a company has revenue in the billions,
and CEO's and top executives are making millions,
then consumers are being overcharged,
and lower level employees are being short changed.

Gym shoes that cost $5, if that, to make, outside of the USA,
shouldn't be selling for $60, 70, over $100 dollars, in the USA.

Profit and greed are two different things

 

[bripat9643]

Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery

Business owners are still profiting,
at the expense of consumers, customers,
and their front line employees.

The institution of greed for gain,
did not collapse when slavery ended....

I may not have much, but I am better than a black man

That statement alone, tells me you are not

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

If a company has revenue in the billions,
and CEO's and top executives are making millions,
then consumers are being overcharged,
and lower level employees are being short changed.

Gym shoes that cost $5, if that, to make, outside of the USA,
shouldn't be selling for $60, 70, over $100 dollars, in the USA.

Profit and greed are two different things

Executive pay is a small percentage of company revenues. If you think it would multiply the cost of a sneaker by 10, then you're totally clueless about ho modern corporation works. It more likely increases the cost by $0.05. On the other hand, the difference between a good CEO and a bad one can mean $billions of dollars in revenue to a corporation. Steve Jobs helped increase the value of Apple by hundreds of billions. By the time all you SJWs are done "fixing" capitalism, we'll all be starving to death. That's exactly what is happening in Venezuela.

 

[Markle]

If a company has revenue in the billions,
and CEO's and top executives are making millions,
then consumers are being overcharged,
and lower level employees are being short changed.

Gym shoes that cost $5, if that, to make, outside of the USA,
shouldn't be selling for $60, 70, over $100 dollars, in the USA.

Profit and greed are two different things

There are two types of greed. Good greed and bad greed.

Since you believe that employees should share in the profits of a corporation, then should the employees not also share in the losses if the company has a bad year or two?

 

[hadit]

If a company has revenue in the billions,
and CEO's and top executives are making millions,
then consumers are being overcharged,
and lower level employees are being short changed.

Gym shoes that cost $5, if that, to make, outside of the USA,
shouldn't be selling for $60, 70, over $100 dollars, in the USA.

Profit and greed are two different things

There are two types of greed. Good greed and bad greed.

Since you believe that employees should share in the profits of a corporation, then should the employees not also share in the losses if the company has a bad year or two?

They kind of do, through pay cus, hours cuts, and layoffs.

 

[mikegriffith1]

This thread is a good example of how out of touch liberals are with average people. All liberals do is keep repeating the same discredited arguments, mostly based on the erroneous argument that because seven of 11 Confederate states seceded mainly over slavery, the war was "fought over slavery," ignoring the fact that secession and the war were two very different events.

 

[keepitreal]

Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery

Business owners are still profiting,
at the expense of consumers, customers,
and their front line employees.

The institution of greed for gain,
did not collapse when slavery ended....

I may not have much, but I am better than a black man

That statement alone, tells me you are not

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

If a company has revenue in the billions,
and CEO's and top executives are making millions,
then consumers are being overcharged,
and lower level employees are being short changed.

Gym shoes that cost $5, if that, to make, outside of the USA,
shouldn't be selling for $60, 70, over $100 dollars, in the USA.

Profit and greed are two different things

Executive pay is a small percentage of company revenues. If you think it would multiply the cost of a sneaker by 10, then you're totally clueless about ho modern corporation works. It more likely increases the cost by $0.05. On the other hand, the difference between a good CEO and a bad one can mean $billions of dollars in revenue to a corporation. Steve Jobs helped increase the value of Apple by hundreds of billions. By the time all you SJWs are done "fixing" capitalism, we'll all be starving to death. That's exactly what is happening in Venezuela.

Executive pay is a small percentage of company revenues.

What does that have to do with anything?

Furthermore.....

If you think it would multiply the cost of a sneaker by 10, then you're totally clueless about ho modern corporation works.

What the hell are you talking about?

Nike moved most of its production
out of China, when wages rose....
people in Vietnam are lucky if they make,
$45 FUCKING DOLLARS A MONTH

In Vietnam the average worker is paid about
.20¢ an HOUR or $1.60 A DAY

PHIL KNIGHT IS WORTH $30 BILLION DOLLARS
BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE, IN OVER 700 FACTORIES,
IN OVER 45 COUNTRIES, ALL OUTSIDE THE U.S.
THAT MANUFACTURE HIS SHIT, FOR SPITTLE

SO HE CAN TURN AROUND AND SELL HIS CRAP
IN THE U.S., FOR INSANE PRICES,
EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T INVEST IN THE U.S.

HOW ANY ATHLETE, ESPECIALLY JORDAN,
CAN ENDORSE HIS CRAP, IS BEYOND ME!

Oh yeah, no its not...
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY

You're clueless, not me

Fair prices, honest wages, integrity
and investing in the country, where most of your shit is sold,
and creating jobs, for the people, buying your shit....
is how an honest profit is made!

It shouldn't be about how much money they can make,
It should be about how they're earning the money they're making!

 

[bripat9643]

Not every southerner owned slaves but they profited off the instititution. 40 percent of the population were in slavery

Business owners are still profiting,
at the expense of consumers, customers,
and their front line employees.

The institution of greed for gain,
did not collapse when slavery ended....

I may not have much, but I am better than a black man

That statement alone, tells me you are not

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

If a company has revenue in the billions,
and CEO's and top executives are making millions,
then consumers are being overcharged,
and lower level employees are being short changed.

Gym shoes that cost $5, if that, to make, outside of the USA,
shouldn't be selling for $60, 70, over $100 dollars, in the USA.

Profit and greed are two different things

Executive pay is a small percentage of company revenues. If you think it would multiply the cost of a sneaker by 10, then you're totally clueless about ho modern corporation works. It more likely increases the cost by $0.05. On the other hand, the difference between a good CEO and a bad one can mean $billions of dollars in revenue to a corporation. Steve Jobs helped increase the value of Apple by hundreds of billions. By the time all you SJWs are done "fixing" capitalism, we'll all be starving to death. That's exactly what is happening in Venezuela.

Executive pay is a small percentage of company revenues.

What does that have to do with anything?

Furthermore.....

If you think it would multiply the cost of a sneaker by 10, then you're totally clueless about ho modern corporation works.

What the hell are you talking about?

Nike moved most of its production
out of China, when wages rose....
people in Vietnam are lucky if they make,
$45 FUCKING DOLLARS A MONTH

In Vietnam the average worker is paid about
.20¢ an HOUR or $1.60 A DAY

PHIL KNIGHT IS WORTH $30 BILLION DOLLARS
BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE, IN OVER 700 FACTORIES,
IN OVER 45 COUNTRIES, ALL OUTSIDE THE U.S.
THAT MANUFACTURE HIS SHIT, FOR SPITTLE

SO HE CAN TURN AROUND AND SELL HIS CRAP
IN THE U.S., FOR INSANE PRICES,
EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T INVEST IN THE U.S.

HOW ANY ATHLETE, ESPECIALLY JORDAN,
CAN ENDORSE HIS CRAP, IS BEYOND ME!

Oh yeah, no its not...
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY

You're clueless, not me

Fair prices, honest wages, integrity
and investing in the country, where most of your shit is sold,
and creating jobs, for the people, buying your shit....
is how an honest profit is made!

It shouldn't be about how much money they can make,
It should be about how they're earning the money they're making!

You claimed executive pay increased the cost of "gym shoes" from $5 to $100. Apparently you can't do simple math.

Featured Net Worth List

Net Worth: $22.5 Billion

I haven't found anything about his salary. Feel free to provide a reference if you got it, but don't tell me about his salary and then tell me about his net worth. NIke's revenues are about $37 billion/year. Over the course of the company;'s existence it has earned hundreds of billions. Most of Knight's networth comes from owning stock in the company, not from salary, so your claim is a huge load of bullshi.

When did I say capitalism wasn't "about the money?" Corporations aren't charities. They exist to make money for their owners. As long as they do't break the law, they are entitled to make all the money they can make. That's what turds like you don't seem to understand.

 

[keepitreal]

Business owners are still profiting,
at the expense of consumers, customers,
and their front line employees.

The institution of greed for gain,
did not collapse when slavery ended....
That statement alone, tells me you are not

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

Business owners are making a profit? Horrors! How can we allow such evil?

If a company has revenue in the billions,
and CEO's and top executives are making millions,
then consumers are being overcharged,
and lower level employees are being short changed.

Gym shoes that cost $5, if that, to make, outside of the USA,
shouldn't be selling for $60, 70, over $100 dollars, in the USA.

Profit and greed are two different things

Executive pay is a small percentage of company revenues. If you think it would multiply the cost of a sneaker by 10, then you're totally clueless about ho modern corporation works. It more likely increases the cost by $0.05. On the other hand, the difference between a good CEO and a bad one can mean $billions of dollars in revenue to a corporation. Steve Jobs helped increase the value of Apple by hundreds of billions. By the time all you SJWs are done "fixing" capitalism, we'll all be starving to death. That's exactly what is happening in Venezuela.

Executive pay is a small percentage of company revenues.

What does that have to do with anything?

Furthermore.....

If you think it would multiply the cost of a sneaker by 10, then you're totally clueless about ho modern corporation works.

What the hell are you talking about?

Nike moved most of its production
out of China, when wages rose....
people in Vietnam are lucky if they make,
$45 FUCKING DOLLARS A MONTH

In Vietnam the average worker is paid about
.20¢ an HOUR or $1.60 A DAY

PHIL KNIGHT IS WORTH $30 BILLION DOLLARS
BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE, IN OVER 700 FACTORIES,
IN OVER 45 COUNTRIES, ALL OUTSIDE THE U.S.
THAT MANUFACTURE HIS SHIT, FOR SPITTLE

SO HE CAN TURN AROUND AND SELL HIS CRAP
IN THE U.S., FOR INSANE PRICES,
EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN'T INVEST IN THE U.S.

HOW ANY ATHLETE, ESPECIALLY JORDAN,
CAN ENDORSE HIS CRAP, IS BEYOND ME!

Oh yeah, no its not...
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY

You're clueless, not me

Fair prices, honest wages, integrity
and investing in the country, where most of your shit is sold,
and creating jobs, for the people, buying your shit....
is how an honest profit is made!

It shouldn't be about how much money they can make,
It should be about how they're earning the money they're making!

You claimed executive pay increased the cost of "gym shoes" from $5 to $100. Apparently you can't do simple math.

Featured Net Worth List

Net Worth: $22.5 Billion

I haven't found anything about his salary. Feel free to provide a reference if you got it, but don't tell me about his salary and then tell me about his net worth. NIke's revenues are about $37 billion/year. Over the course of the company;'s existence it has earned hundreds of billions. Most of Knight's networth comes from owning stock in the company, not from salary, so your claim is a huge load of bullshi.

When did I say capitalism wasn't "about the money?" Corporations aren't charities. They exist to make money for their owners. As long as they do't break the law, they are entitled to make all the money they can make. That's what turds like you don't seem to understand.

You claimed executive pay increased the cost of "gym shoes" from $5 to $100. Apparently you can't do simple math

Yeah, o.k., go back and re read what I wrote,
instead of basing your reply, on what you claim, I stated!

Apparently, you simply can't comprehend what you're reading!

I haven't found anything about his salary. Feel free to provide a reference if you got it, but don't tell me about his salary and then tell me about his net worth.

Déjà poo....
The feeling you've heard this shit before

I NEVER mentioned his salary, ONLY his net worth,
so, o.k., I won't tell you about his salary,
I never mentioned, in the first place

Who is the clueless turd, that doesn't understand?
Apparently, you!

 

[rightwinger]

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Yea, that is why I always wondered why Republicans called themselves the party of Lincoln as a way of showing how they were for equal rights

possibly because the dem party was the party of the KKK, George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Bull Conner, segregation, and "separate but equal".

sorry dude, but history does not support anything that you have said in this thread. Might be time to pack your bags and leave.

Yet today, it is Republicans defending the honorable confederacy

 

[rightwinger]

This thread is a good example of how out of touch liberals are with average people. All liberals do is keep repeating the same discredited arguments, mostly based on the erroneous argument that because seven of 11 Confederate states seceded mainly over slavery, the war was "fought over slavery," ignoring the fact that secession and the war were two very different events.

If not for slavery, there would have never been a confederacy

 

[bripat9643]

This thread is a good example of how out of touch liberals are with average people. All liberals do is keep repeating the same discredited arguments, mostly based on the erroneous argument that because seven of 11 Confederate states seceded mainly over slavery, the war was "fought over slavery," ignoring the fact that secession and the war were two very different events.

If not for slavery, there would have never been a confederacy

The union flag flew over slavery a lot longer than the Confederate flag. You act as if the Confedercy invented slavery.