Moses, the Egyptian Pharoah

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1. While the Bible may or may not be absolutely historically accurate, it does serve, by far, as the best account extant of some historical periods. Case in point, the Exodus. Is there any doubt that a slave population, the Jews, were present in large numbers in Egypt sometime during the second millennium BC?

a. It is accepted that they came in conflict with their Egyptian masters, and fled in the exodus, led by a man they called Moses.

b. But there is no Egyptian account of any such exodus. On the other hand, it wasn’t anywhere near as significant for the Egyptians as it was for the Jews…merely the flight of a group of slaves.


2. A clue of the veracity of the tale can be found in Genesis, in which Joseph brings the Hebrews to Egypt. It is more than passing interesting that chariots are mentioned, not once or twice, but three times in Joseph’s story. And the Egyptians didn’t have chariots before the Eighteenth Dynasty, which means that Jews cannot have arrived in Egypt before the mid-sixteenth century, BC.

a. Genesis 41:43; 46:29; and 50:9. BibleGateway - Quick search: chariot

3. The Merneptah Stele records a victory over the tribe of Israel in Canaan, so the Exodus must have taken place by the time it was inscribed, which was around 1225 BC. Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



4. Therefore, we have a timeframe of 1550 to 1225 BC, or sometime during the Eighteenth Dynasty. Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. The Ptolemys commissioned Manetho, a high priest, to write a history of Egypt, and his King List is the basis for our understanding of the ancient dynastic structure. Osarseph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Manetho used the records at the temple of Amun in Heliopolis.


6. Manetho identified a man called Osarseph, high priest to the pharaoh Amenhotep, as the biblical Moses.


a. It seems that Osarseph built up a following among outcasts and lepers, a following so large that the gods came to Amenhotep, and ordered him to drive Osarseph from Egypt.

b. But Osarseph drove Amenhotep out instead, establishing a 13-year reign before he was expelled!



7. Still…clues, but nothing definitive: exodus of the slaves, someone named Osarseph, and a Pharoah Amenhotep.

8. There were four Amenhoteps during the Eighteenth Dynasty. Manetho says that this one had a son called Ramesses….but this was a Nineteenth Dynasty name, so Manetho was clearly referring to one of the later Amenhoteps, not an earlier one.


9. The thirteen-year reign is a problem, because there is no record of a Pharaoh Osarseph, or any Eighteenth Dynasty pharaoh, ruling for 13 years.

a. There are several candidates, though. Ay and Horemheb: neither was of royal birth, one being a vizier, the other a general, before ascending. Ay reigned for four years, and Horemhem’s 19 years were fairly orthodox and prosperous.

b. Smenkhkare lasted only a few months, and Tutankhamun died a youngster. So, none of those fit.

c. One possibility is left: Akhenaten. He succeeded his father, Amenhotep the Third.


10. Now, while Akhenaten ruled for 17 years, something different happened during his fifth year: he changed his name, and founded a new capital city of Akhetaten….now known as Amarna. He ruled at Amarna from 1345 to 1332. Thirteen years. Akhenaten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


11. But in what view would Akhenaten be an interloper, not belonging? The answer is monotheism: a belief in one God. This sets him apart from all the other pharaohs. There was only Aten: the sun disk.

a. Akhenaten closed the temples of the other gods, particularly Amun. He had Amun’s name exorcised form monuments all over Egypt.

b. “Amenhotep married Tiye, the daughter of Yusef- Yuya (Joseph). It was decreed however, that no son born to Tiye could inherit the throne,there was a general fear that the Israelite relatives were gaining too much power in Egypt…. Because of his part Israelite upbringing, Amenhotep IV couldn't accept the Egyptian dieties and developed the notion of Aten - an omnipotent god with no image, represented by a solar disk with downward rays. Amenhotep changed his name to Akhenaten (Glorious spirit of the Aten) and closed all the temples of the Egyptian Gods making himself very unpopular.” Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com



12. Now, as for the name “Moses.” Does it make sense that an Egyptian princess would take an adopted child and apply a Hebrew name meaning ‘drawn out.’

c. “The name Moses derives from the Egyptian word mose, meaning "offspring" or "heir", as in Tuthmose: "born of Thoth". “ Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com


So....Moses, an Egyptian pharoah....Israel descended from Egyptians.

Could be?
 
1. While the Bible may or may not be absolutely historically accurate, it does serve, by far, as the best account extant of some historical periods. Case in point, the Exodus. Is there any doubt that a slave population, the Jews, were present in large numbers in Egypt sometime during the second millennium BC?

a. It is accepted that they came in conflict with their Egyptian masters, and fled in the exodus, led by a man they called Moses.

b. But there is no Egyptian account of any such exodus. On the other hand, it wasn’t anywhere near as significant for the Egyptians as it was for the Jews…merely the flight of a group of slaves.


2. A clue of the veracity of the tale can be found in Genesis, in which Joseph brings the Hebrews to Egypt. It is more than passing interesting that chariots are mentioned, not once or twice, but three times in Joseph’s story. And the Egyptians didn’t have chariots before the Eighteenth Dynasty, which means that Jews cannot have arrived in Egypt before the mid-sixteenth century, BC.

a. Genesis 41:43; 46:29; and 50:9. BibleGateway - Quick search: chariot

3. The Merneptah Stele records a victory over the tribe of Israel in Canaan, so the Exodus must have taken place by the time it was inscribed, which was around 1225 BC. Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



4. Therefore, we have a timeframe of 1550 to 1225 BC, or sometime during the Eighteenth Dynasty. Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. The Ptolemys commissioned Manetho, a high priest, to write a history of Egypt, and his King List is the basis for our understanding of the ancient dynastic structure. Osarseph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Manetho used the records at the temple of Amun in Heliopolis.


6. Manetho identified a man called Osarseph, high priest to the pharaoh Amenhotep, as the biblical Moses.


a. It seems that Osarseph built up a following among outcasts and lepers, a following so large that the gods came to Amenhotep, and ordered him to drive Osarseph from Egypt.

b. But Osarseph drove Amenhotep out instead, establishing a 13-year reign before he was expelled!



7. Still…clues, but nothing definitive: exodus of the slaves, someone named Osarseph, and a Pharoah Amenhotep.

8. There were four Amenhoteps during the Eighteenth Dynasty. Manetho says that this one had a son called Ramesses….but this was a Nineteenth Dynasty name, so Manetho was clearly referring to one of the later Amenhoteps, not an earlier one.


9. The thirteen-year reign is a problem, because there is no record of a Pharaoh Osarseph, or any Eighteenth Dynasty pharaoh, ruling for 13 years.

a. There are several candidates, though. Ay and Horemheb: neither was of royal birth, one being a vizier, the other a general, before ascending. Ay reigned for four years, and Horemhem’s 19 years were fairly orthodox and prosperous.

b. Smenkhkare lasted only a few months, and Tutankhamun died a youngster. So, none of those fit.

c. One possibility is left: Akhenaten. He succeeded his father, Amenhotep the Third.


10. Now, while Akhenaten ruled for 17 years, something different happened during his fifth year: he changed his name, and founded a new capital city of Akhetaten….now known as Amarna. He ruled at Amarna from 1345 to 1332. Thirteen years. Akhenaten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


11. But in what view would Akhenaten be an interloper, not belonging? The answer is monotheism: a belief in one God. This sets him apart from all the other pharaohs. There was only Aten: the sun disk.

a. Akhenaten closed the temples of the other gods, particularly Amun. He had Amun’s name exorcised form monuments all over Egypt.

b. “Amenhotep married Tiye, the daughter of Yusef- Yuya (Joseph). It was decreed however, that no son born to Tiye could inherit the throne,there was a general fear that the Israelite relatives were gaining too much power in Egypt…. Because of his part Israelite upbringing, Amenhotep IV couldn't accept the Egyptian dieties and developed the notion of Aten - an omnipotent god with no image, represented by a solar disk with downward rays. Amenhotep changed his name to Akhenaten (Glorious spirit of the Aten) and closed all the temples of the Egyptian Gods making himself very unpopular.” Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com



12. Now, as for the name “Moses.” Does it make sense that an Egyptian princess would take an adopted child and apply a Hebrew name meaning ‘drawn out.’

c. “The name Moses derives from the Egyptian word mose, meaning "offspring" or "heir", as in Tuthmose: "born of Thoth". “ Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com


So....Moses, an Egyptian pharoah....Israel descended from Egyptians.

Could be?

Do you realize that you will be arrested for challenging current thinking in these matters ? :D
 
It is not at all surprising that Moses appears no where in Egyptian history since the Pharoah had his name and all references to him removed from the historical record.
 
It is not at all surprising that Moses appears no where in Egyptian history since the Pharoah had his name and all references to him removed from the historical record.

1. A character in the novel “The Moses Quest,” by Will Adams, rebuts the Osarseph/Moses theory: she sees the Bible as the folk history of a particular Canaanite people, and states that its historical validity should be assessed as scrupulously as any other folk history, not given special treatment just because many people today consider it sacred. Her lecture is illuminating. One should evaluate it. As follows:

2. Stories in the Bible fall apart when there is no evidence that validate the stories. There is no evidence that the Jews existed as a distinct people in the time of Akhenaten, or even that they lived in Egypt in any great numbers….or that they left in some mass exodus.


3. Many stories are borrowed from other, earlier cultures. There are recognizable traces of the Mesopotamian Epic of Gilgamesh, for example.

4. Others seem to be variations on the same story, presumably because the writers of the Bible wanted to drum home their moral message: man makes covenant with God; man breaks covenant; God punishes man. Again and again we see the same motif. Adam and Eve evicted from Eden. Cain exiled for murdering Able. Lot’s wife turned to salt. Babel. Noah. It isn’t history, it’s religious propaganda. And it was constructed by the Jews after they had been defeated by the Babylonians, in order to convince themselves that they had brought the destruction and exile upon themselves by failing in their obligations to their God.


5. Historians who have tested folklore against known history have found that the more current it is, the more accurate. But the further back one goes, the less reliable…with one exception: founding myths tend to have a seed of truth. For the Jews, the founding myth is the Exodus.

6. The problem here is that, while there might have been some flight from Egypt…but the only evidence of such an exodus during the second millennium BC is that of the Hyksos. But the Hyksos were a full two centuries before Amarna…

a. The Hyksos first appeared in Egypt during the eleventh dynasty, began their climb to power in thethirteenth dynasty, and came out of the second intermediate period in control of Avaris and the Delta. By the fifteenth dynasty, they ruled Lower Egypt, and at the end of the seventeenth dynasty, they were expelled. Hyksos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. Amarna ( Akhetaten)- ‘established and built by the Pharaoh Akhenaten of the late Eighteenth Dynasty(c. 1353 BC), and abandoned shortly afterwards…’ Amarna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



7. And, how is it that the mass flight of the Jews left no imprint? Remember, we’re not talking of hundreds, or even thousands. The Bible refers to half the population of Egypt! Don’t you think somebody would have noticed? Do you realize that there is a stele recording the flight of two slaves from Egypt to Canaan? Yet, tens of thousands of valuable artisans upped and left, and not a peep??

8. And wouldn’t there be a trace of this huge troop having spent 40 years in Sinai? After all, archaeologists have found settlements from pre-dynastic times…but from Exodus….nothing: not a coin, not a potsherd, not a grave, not a campfire. No traces, no Hebrews.

9. And when there is evidence, it contradicts the biblical account. Jericho….if the city fell to Joshua’s trumpets, there should be evidence of destruction circa 1300 BC. But archaeological evidence is conclusive: Jericho wasn’t even occupied at that time. It had been destroyed in the sixteenth century BC, and left virtually abandoned to the tenth.

a. “…in the 1950's, Kathleen Kenyon conducted further excavations at Jericho and concluded that the destruction of Garstang's City IV should be dated ca. 1550 B.C., not ca. 1400 B.C. In fact, Kenyon found no evidence at all of occupation of Jericho ca. 1407 B.C.” Is Bryant Wood's chronology of Jericho valid?



10. No, the Bible wasn’t even written until after the Babylonian exile, circa 500 BC- over 800 years after the death of Akhenaten.

a. ‘Exodus was compiled over a period of centuries, before it reached a more or less identifiable form, and was then redacted into substantially the form we know today. So, the answer to this question depends on the level of the book's evolution at which you would finally consider it to be 'Exodus'. Arguably, that would be somewhere around 500 to 600 BCE.’ When and by whom was the Book of Exodus written

b. Exodus 9:3: "Behold, the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain."
No one seriously disputes the historical fact that camels were first domesticated well after 1000 BCE and not widely used for transport until the seventh century BCE, …’ Ibid.


Why the discrepancy?

Is there an explanation for the Bible...?

Who were the Jews of the Bible?

Monotheism....Abraham? Osarseph? A common idea?
 
1. While the Bible may or may not be absolutely historically accurate, it does serve, by far, as the best account extant of some historical periods. Case in point, the Exodus. Is there any doubt that a slave population, the Jews, were present in large numbers in Egypt sometime during the second millennium BC?

a. It is accepted that they came in conflict with their Egyptian masters, and fled in the exodus, led by a man they called Moses.

b. But there is no Egyptian account of any such exodus. On the other hand, it wasn’t anywhere near as significant for the Egyptians as it was for the Jews…merely the flight of a group of slaves.


2. A clue of the veracity of the tale can be found in Genesis, in which Joseph brings the Hebrews to Egypt. It is more than passing interesting that chariots are mentioned, not once or twice, but three times in Joseph’s story. And the Egyptians didn’t have chariots before the Eighteenth Dynasty, which means that Jews cannot have arrived in Egypt before the mid-sixteenth century, BC.

a. Genesis 41:43; 46:29; and 50:9. BibleGateway - Quick search: chariot

3. The Merneptah Stele records a victory over the tribe of Israel in Canaan, so the Exodus must have taken place by the time it was inscribed, which was around 1225 BC. Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



4. Therefore, we have a timeframe of 1550 to 1225 BC, or sometime during the Eighteenth Dynasty. Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. The Ptolemys commissioned Manetho, a high priest, to write a history of Egypt, and his King List is the basis for our understanding of the ancient dynastic structure. Osarseph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Manetho used the records at the temple of Amun in Heliopolis.


6. Manetho identified a man called Osarseph, high priest to the pharaoh Amenhotep, as the biblical Moses.


a. It seems that Osarseph built up a following among outcasts and lepers, a following so large that the gods came to Amenhotep, and ordered him to drive Osarseph from Egypt.

b. But Osarseph drove Amenhotep out instead, establishing a 13-year reign before he was expelled!



7. Still…clues, but nothing definitive: exodus of the slaves, someone named Osarseph, and a Pharoah Amenhotep.

8. There were four Amenhoteps during the Eighteenth Dynasty. Manetho says that this one had a son called Ramesses….but this was a Nineteenth Dynasty name, so Manetho was clearly referring to one of the later Amenhoteps, not an earlier one.


9. The thirteen-year reign is a problem, because there is no record of a Pharaoh Osarseph, or any Eighteenth Dynasty pharaoh, ruling for 13 years.

a. There are several candidates, though. Ay and Horemheb: neither was of royal birth, one being a vizier, the other a general, before ascending. Ay reigned for four years, and Horemhem’s 19 years were fairly orthodox and prosperous.

b. Smenkhkare lasted only a few months, and Tutankhamun died a youngster. So, none of those fit.

c. One possibility is left: Akhenaten. He succeeded his father, Amenhotep the Third.


10. Now, while Akhenaten ruled for 17 years, something different happened during his fifth year: he changed his name, and founded a new capital city of Akhetaten….now known as Amarna. He ruled at Amarna from 1345 to 1332. Thirteen years. Akhenaten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


11. But in what view would Akhenaten be an interloper, not belonging? The answer is monotheism: a belief in one God. This sets him apart from all the other pharaohs. There was only Aten: the sun disk.

a. Akhenaten closed the temples of the other gods, particularly Amun. He had Amun’s name exorcised form monuments all over Egypt.

b. “Amenhotep married Tiye, the daughter of Yusef- Yuya (Joseph). It was decreed however, that no son born to Tiye could inherit the throne,there was a general fear that the Israelite relatives were gaining too much power in Egypt…. Because of his part Israelite upbringing, Amenhotep IV couldn't accept the Egyptian dieties and developed the notion of Aten - an omnipotent god with no image, represented by a solar disk with downward rays. Amenhotep changed his name to Akhenaten (Glorious spirit of the Aten) and closed all the temples of the Egyptian Gods making himself very unpopular.” Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com



12. Now, as for the name “Moses.” Does it make sense that an Egyptian princess would take an adopted child and apply a Hebrew name meaning ‘drawn out.’

c. “The name Moses derives from the Egyptian word mose, meaning "offspring" or "heir", as in Tuthmose: "born of Thoth". “ Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com


So....Moses, an Egyptian pharoah....Israel descended from Egyptians.

Could be?

Do you realize that you will be arrested for challenging current thinking in these matters ? :D

:eek:

yer talking the big Mose? The hello let's screw carbon taxes let's split it right down the middle Mose??
 
The last thing the muslem brotherhood who are running Egypt today want to consider is that Jewish labor and engineering skills might have built the pyramids. What's the point anyway? Egypt antiquity enslaved generations of their own people to build monuments to the dead instead of caring for the living. Egyptian people lived in dirt for centuries while Christian civilizations built viable civilizations.
 
The most telling evidence that the Exodus was no more than the wanderings of a relatively small group that assimilated with the larger Canaanite culture, is the lack of archaeological evidence of a conquest of the indigenous population.
 
1. While the Bible may or may not be absolutely historically accurate, it does serve, by far, as the best account extant of some historical periods.

The BEST? No, it doesn't. not remotely.


ase in point, the Exodus. Is there any doubt that a slave population, the Jews, were present in large numbers in Egypt sometime during the second millennium BC?

Yes there is tremendous DOUBT about their "slave status"

The Bible is NOT a terrible good historical account of those times.

It is a wonderful read, of course, but it is to a large extent that ethnically distorted history is the history the way the tribes of Israel would like us to remember it.

The Jews in Egypt were not slaves, they were guests of the Pharoh.

They came to Egypt voluntarily generations before to escape a terrible famine.

I don't actually doubt they might have had to flee Egypt en masse, but I discredit report that they were slaves.

Now in Babylon, I do not doubt that THOSE JEWS were held as captives, and who knows, maybe they were slaves, too.

But THAT is an entirely different time and a different people, too. That has nothing to do with the Exodus story.

Those captives in Babylon were mostly not the average Israeli person but the Jewish leaders who were held as hostages.
 
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1. While the Bible may or may not be absolutely historically accurate, it does serve, by far, as the best account extant of some historical periods.

The BEST? No, it doesn't. not remotely.


ase in point, the Exodus. Is there any doubt that a slave population, the Jews, were present in large numbers in Egypt sometime during the second millennium BC?

Yes there is tremendous DOUBT about their "slave status"

The Bible is NOT a terrible good historical account of those times.

It is a wonderful read, of course, but it is to a large extent that ethnically distorted history is the history the way the tribes of Israel would like us to remember it.

The Jews in Egypt were not slaves, they were guests of the Pharoh.

They came to Egypt voluntarily generations before to escape a terrible famine.

I don't actually doubt they might have had to flee Egypt en masse, but I discredit report that they were slaves.

Now in Babylon, I do not doubt that THOSE JEWS were held as captives, and who knows, maybe they were slaves, too.

But THAT is an entirely different time and a different people, too. That has nothing to do with the Exodus story.

Those captives in Babylon were mostly not the average Israeli person but the Jewish leaders who were held as hostages.

Since you accept at least part of the story of Exodus....how about a comment on the OP's view that the pharaoh who tried to introduce monotheism in Egypt may have been the leader of what became known as the Hebrews/Jews/Israelites?

1. Are you familiar with the similarity of the Hymn of Aten, and Psalm 104?

a. "Attributing the Lord with the characteristics of the sun.
The Psalm 104 starts out attributing the Lord with the characteristics of the Sun. This is found nowhere else in the Scriptures."
Psalm 104 and The Hymn To Aten


2. And...the thought that the Essenes of Dead Sea Scrolls reflect the ideas of Akhenaten...

a. The Essenes referred to themselves as the Sons of Light, engaged in a life-or-death battle against the Sons of Darkness. They thought of God as the ‘perfect light, and prayed to the east every morning.
“They woke up before sunrise and spoke of no profane subject before the sun came up. They turned to the sun while in prayer, not as the Jewish custom of turning towards the temple.” Who Were The Essenes?

b. The Essenes used a solar calendar…not the lunar used in most Jewish culture.

c. In the Dead Sea Scrolls there are references to the leader of the Essenes as the Teacher of Righteousness….precisely how Akhenaten was known in Amarna, Akhenaten's capital city.
 
The problem with Akhenaten being Moses is that he's known to have died in Egypt while still pharoah, not in exile leading a band of slaves.
 
The problem with Akhenaten being Moses is that he's known to have died in Egypt while still pharoah, not in exile leading a band of slaves.

While you have captured the essence of the OP, the title is 'Moses, the Egyptian Pharaoh.'

While Akhenaten is the pharaoh most identified with monotheism....and this itself is associated with the Hebrews, this, from the OP:

5. The Ptolemys commissioned Manetho, a high priest, to write a history of Egypt, and his King List is the basis for our understanding of the ancient dynastic structure. Osarseph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Manetho used the records at the temple of Amun in Heliopolis.


6. Manetho identified a man called Osarseph, high priest to the pharaoh Amenhotep, as the biblical Moses.


a. It seems that Osarseph built up a following among outcasts and lepers, a following so large that the gods came to Amenhotep, and ordered him to drive Osarseph from Egypt.

b. But Osarseph drove Amenhotep out instead, establishing a 13-year reign before he was expelled!



Time-wise, Osarseph seems to be one and the same as Akhenaten....and he, according to Manetho, Moses.

The Egyptian reign of Akenaten was 1345- 1332 (the part in Amarna), before he was expelled.
We know that there was an Israel in Canaan ca. 1225, according to the Merneptah Stele.

So...there was about 100 years in question, 40 of which were the Sinai wandering....culminating in the Israelites in Canaan....


Now, if the actual Akhenaten died in Egypt....consider this reference to Osarseph:

"The story depicts Osarseph as a renegade Egyptian priest who leads an army of lepers and other unclean people against a pharaoh named Amenophis;[disambiguation needed] the pharaoh is driven out of the country and the leper-army, in alliance with the Hyksos (whose story is also told by Manetho) ravage Egypt, committing many sacrileges against the gods, before Amenophis returns and expels them. Towards the end of the story Osarseph changes his name to Moses.[1]

Also much debated is the question of what, if any, historical reality might lie behind the Osarseph story. The story has been linked with anti-Jewish propaganda of the 2nd and 1st centuries BCE as an inversion of the Exodus story, but an influential study by Egyptologist Jan Assmann has suggested that no single historical incident or person lies behind the legend, and that it represents instead a conflation of several historical traumas, notably the religious reforms of Ahkenaton (Amenophis IV).[2]"
Osarseph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



So....
1. Joseph's influence on Amenhotep plants the seed of monotheism
2. Amenhotep becomes Akhenaten, monotheist.
3. Some of his high priests are also so inclined, and one or more are known
as Osarsepth.
4. He (they) take a multitude of the lepers/underclass/etc. for a stroll in the desert....he (they) is (are) conflated into 'Moses.'
5. the story of Exodus 'evolves.'


Centuries later there are still Egyptian influences found in Qumran, home of the Essenes and memorialized in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
 
From the OP:

b. “Amenhotep married Tiye, the daughter of Yusef- Yuya (Joseph). It was decreed however, that no son born to Tiye could inherit the throne,there was a general fear that the Israelite relatives were gaining too much power in Egypt…. Because of his part Israelite upbringing, Amenhotep IV couldn't accept the Egyptian dieties and developed the notion of Aten - an omnipotent god with no image, represented by a solar disk with downward rays. Amenhotep changed his name to Akhenaten (Glorious spirit of the Aten) and closed all the temples of the Egyptian Gods making himself very unpopular.” Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com

Another problem I have is , if Yuya is Joseph, how can the Israelites have gained the population mentioned in the Bible in such a short time?
 
From the OP:

b. “Amenhotep married Tiye, the daughter of Yusef- Yuya (Joseph). It was decreed however, that no son born to Tiye could inherit the throne,there was a general fear that the Israelite relatives were gaining too much power in Egypt…. Because of his part Israelite upbringing, Amenhotep IV couldn't accept the Egyptian dieties and developed the notion of Aten - an omnipotent god with no image, represented by a solar disk with downward rays. Amenhotep changed his name to Akhenaten (Glorious spirit of the Aten) and closed all the temples of the Egyptian Gods making himself very unpopular.” Was Moses an Egyptian Pharoah?: Ahmed Osman Believes the Biblical Story Describes Akhenaten | Suite101.com

Another problem I have is , if Yuya is Joseph, how can the Israelites have gained the population mentioned in the Bible in such a short time?

I have to agree...as much as I'd like to provide proof of the thesis, there is little more than conjecture...

...but darned interesting conjecture!
 
Interesting to note that Akhenaten's body was not in his sarcophagus....and not in his royal tomb at all....


....taken with the Jews during Exodus?
 
Interesting to note that Akhenaten's body was not in his sarcophagus....and not in his royal tomb at all....

....taken with the Jews during Exodus?

Or destroyed along with inscriptions and buildings associated with his reign by those who wanted a return to the cult of Amun and destruction of Akhenaten's memory.
 
Interesting to note that Akhenaten's body was not in his sarcophagus....and not in his royal tomb at all....

....taken with the Jews during Exodus?

Or destroyed along with inscriptions and buildings associated with his reign by those who wanted a return to the cult of Amun and destruction of Akhenaten's memory.

1. What if the story of the Exodus was true…and the Atenists had become the Jews?

2. Plague had ravaged Egypt during the Amarna era.

a. This Amarna Period is also associated with a serious outbreak of a pandemic, possibly the plague, or polio, or perhaps the world's first recorded outbreak of influenza, which came from Egypt and spread throughout the Middle East. Ancient Egypt Pharaohs: Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV)

b. May have begun during the reign of Akhenaten’s father (Amenhotep III), who’d famously commissioned hundreds of statues of Sekhmet, goddess of disease.

c. It has also been suggested that both Amenhotep II had tried to placate the (solar) goddess Sekhmet, "the lady of pestilence" to avert the plague, and when this failed his son went one step further and appealed directly to the sun god for deliverance. Ancient Egypt Pharaohs: Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV)



3. The idea of an epidemic fits the Exodus story, as God had warned the Pharaoh that if he didn’t let his people go, He would inflict a series of plagues.

4. The attempt has always to explain the plagues as natural phenomena. One theory is based on the eruption of Thera, a volcano in the island of Santorini, 3600 years ago, the mid-second millennium, BC. The enormous blast was six times that of Krakatoa. This explosion of rock conforms to the hail of fire described in the Bible.

a. The following days and weeks left a great cloud of ash and smoke that would have blacked out the sun, turning the world dark: the second plague.

b. The falling volcanic ash, being strongly acidic, caused boils and sickness. And could kill cattle.

c. The high iron-oxide content would turn rivers red…and suffocating fish.

d. If the egg-laying fish survived, while their predators died, the glut of hatching eggs would trigger infestations of lice, flies, locust, and, finally, frogs.




5. From a distance an eruption such as this would appear as a pillar of fire at night, a pillar of smoke by day- just like the one followed by the Jews as they fled.

a. If they started at Amarna, and went toward Thera, their route would have been along the Nile.

b. They would pass through what is now known as the Theraputae settlement. This was a branch of the Essenes, located in the Nile Delta.


6. As for the episode of God parting the Red Sea, and then bringing the waters back to destroy the Pharaoh and his army, an explanation revolves around the mistranslation of not the Red Sea, but something called the ‘Sea of Reeds.’

a. This might have been marshlands of the eastern Nile Delta…or it might have been Lake Mariut.

b. “Lake Mariut (Mariout, Maryut, Mareotis) is just south of, and actually forms the southern border of Alexandria. Along the shore are reed-beds where fishermen, as in ancient times, move about in flat-bottomed boats propelled by long poles.” Lake Mariut (Mariout, Maryut, Mareotis), a Landlocked Sea South of Alexandria

c. Tsunamis are well documented along this stretch of coast. The first sign of a tsunami was the sea being sucked away in a massive ebb tide. It would create acres of dry land, and could remain so for hours, before a huge tidal wave would sweep in.
 

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