More WTC Conspiracy Stuff

[JBeukema]

1) the 'thermite or explosives' argument is afalse-dichotomy
2)demolitions don't generally use thermite, but detcord and explosives proper
3)about those quibs...
4)and the fall of building 7...
5)and the Silverstein confession...

a lot of unanswered questions, here


and if terrorists are smart enough to take over a plane, why would they turn to attack the empty and reinforced side of the pentagon, instead of just ploughing straight into the nearest side? Why put forth the extra effort to minimize military casualties?

Why not realize the video of a plane striking the pentagon?

And why did most of the 9-11 hijackers turn out to be alive and well in their homelands?

too many questions, too many benefactors, and not enough answers for my comfort

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Rep for whoever will put it into this picture:

and some people still believe fire caused these mammoths of steel and concrete to be reduced to dust and fall in.........10 secs.......unbelievable

And some REALLY DUMB people actually think that THOUSANDS of people that worked in those buildings did not notice HEAVY construction on numerous floors , nor the large amount of explosives and wiring and radio equipment needed for the Government to have secretly blown them up.

By the way dumb ass? Your whole schtick about 10 seconds applies to explosives too. Because all they do is take out a floors supports to allow upper floors to collapse onto lower floors and USE GRAVITY to bring the building down directly in on itself.

Go ahead pollute another thread with your ignorant cut and paste jobs with absolutely no actual proof nor explanation how the Government got hundreds , more like thousands of people, to all agree to be quiet going on 8 years now. Or are you back to claiming only a couple people were needed to lace 3 buildings with heavy construction and string explosives and wiring in buildings with internal security?

This Below was HOW it was done to where those thousands of people didnt notice DUMBASS.I always post this for you and you ignore it cause your so much in denail.Cant reason withsone who only sees what they WANT to see.


Toro,you brought up a good point on this thread not too long ago I wanted to address even further than I did before.You mentioned that if explosives were used,then it would not have gone unnoticed by people in the buildings cause they would have to wire the buildings.good point but as i said before,Marvin Bush was the head of the security towers for the towers in the prior months before 9/11.so was Bush jr's cousin-Wirt Walker.Because of that,they were able to keep the coworkers from seeing what they were really doing.They brought in dumpsters all the time with the explosives hidden in them obviously.we know they brought dumpsters in the towers prior to 9/11 cause many workers saw them and saw construction workers coming in and out of the towers.

As I said before,they weren't real construction workers though.They were CIA operatives disguised as construction workers.again BUSH SR was the former director of that evil organization the CIA back in the 70's.His son was running the country and his brother was in charge of the security for the towers.Havent you ever been to a construction site before and seen where they have fences and signs that say-hard hat area,keep out? and dont allow anybody other than the construction workers to enter in there?I have.I have worked before in temp jobs doing construction before.I saw it quite a few times while doing that kind of work. well thats what was going on then.They had service elevators that only the construction workers-CIA plants,could use to get to these floors and wire them.the workers said that they heard a lot of unusual constuction work going on and the elevaters THEY used,would not allow them to stop and enter on certain floors.they had no access to them.

They didnt use regular elevators so thats how the workers there didnt know what was going on.They didnt know that Marvin Bush was a criminal or his cousin.They just thought they were real construction workers working there doing what they told them they were OFFICIALLY doing which was putting in new floor panels.they were told that and thats what they just assumed.They couldnt just go in there and look at what was going on,they call security on you for that if you do something like that.you know that.Obviously your in denial here and never watched any of those canada wants the truth videos that I postred countless numbers ot times here cause if you had,you would have seen that video where those workers there that survived,talked about seeing them bring in dumpsters and hearing loud construction work going on in the floors above them and hearing a dumpster being moved around on the floors above them.as far as them doing the unprecedented thing of saying there was a power outage that weekend,well they obviously didnt get all that work done in just one weekend,it took them a few months obviously.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Your whole schtick about 10 seconds applies to explosives too. Because all they do is take out a floors supports to allow upper floors to collapse onto lower floors and USE GRAVITY to bring the building down directly in on itself.

-you're not very familiar w/ demolitions, are you? Explosive (such as the 'quibs' that are seen in the video, according to those who believe demolitions were involved) do not just 'take out a floors supports to allow upper floors to collapse onto lower floors'- they systematically destroy the supports to cause an 'implosion' (not *really* an implosion, but whatever). ON;y demolitions do this, resulting in a collapse at near-free-fall speed. 'Pancake collapses' occur more slowly, have no quibs, lack firefighter reports of multiple explosions, and rarely, if ever known to do so, fall straight down


I love how the plane and the jet fuel that it building 7 made it collapse, too

GLAD this was moved to the appropriate place, the dumbies forum, err I mean conspiracy forum.

As for your claim, I wonder what massive slabs of concrete weighted down by nuerous upper floors of a skyscraper SOUND like when they SLAM into the floors below them? Crushing every thing in the process, possibly cause some things to pop or explode in the process. Got any ideas you dumb ass?

Ohh and back to that explosives.... to bring a building down in on it's self they need to do construction on the supports in the basement and every x number of floors above based on the size of the building. AND all must go off on a very precise timer.

SO let me get this straight..... the Government secretly laced 3 different buildings with heavy construction on NUMEROUS floors and packed those floors with explosives and very noticeable wiring from support to support all while the building was occupied and being used by thousands and thousands of people. All unseen, unnoticed. The internal security never noticed all this construction or packing and wiring.And THEN those explosives were not effected in the least , nor their set off circuits by HUGE jetliners SLAMMING into the buildings dumping jet fuel on numerous floors setting huge fires and cause structural damage to the numerous floors the jets hit. I got that about right?

Childish name calling from you as always.your so much in denial you ignore the videos Eots has posted for you Bush dupes MANY times where the site construction managaer of the towers said in jan 2001 on the history channels modern marvels that it was OVERDESIGNED for an airliner to slam into it.that they anticipated that.

He says in the video that you never watch when he posts it for you, that it could take hits from multiple airliners,that an airliner hitting it is like a pencil going through the mosquito netting on your porch door,it does absolutley nothing to it.and that John Skilling the lead engineer also anticiapted the fires saying 93 after the bombing,there would be a great loss of life due to the fires but the structure itself would remain standing.you also ignore the testimonnys of witnesses who said they heard explosions going on in the basement floors below before the plane struck above and that a man came out of the elevater yelling out-my god theres explosions going on in the basement and was filmed being carried out on fire by onlookers.You need to look in the mirror when calling someone a dumbass.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

1) the 'thermite or explosives' argument is afalse-dichotomy
2)demolitions don't generally use thermite, but detcord and explosives proper
3)about those quibs...
4)and the fall of building 7...
5)and the Silverstein confession...

a lot of unanswered questions, here


and if terrorists are smart enough to take over a plane, why would they turn to attack the empty and reinforced side of the pentagon, instead of just ploughing straight into the nearest side? Why put forth the extra effort to minimize military casualties?

Why not realize the video of a plane striking the pentagon?

And why did most of the 9-11 hijackers turn out to be alive and well in their homelands?

too many questions, too many benefactors, and not enough answers for my comfort

you'll laugh at the hysterical comebacks these Bush dupes will have for you in their posts.they always have the most hysterical and laughable comebacks when they cant counter you as you'll find out when they try and address those points.they ignore facts that top pilots around the world have said they could not have done those manuvers the commission said they did and that the grass would have ben torched not remain green like it did. funny how they think we should listen to THEM instead of these airliner pilots isnt it?

 

[DiveCon]

1) the 'thermite or explosives' argument is afalse-dichotomy
2)demolitions don't generally use thermite, but detcord and explosives proper
3)about those quibs...
4)and the fall of building 7...
5)and the Silverstein confession...

a lot of unanswered questions, here


and if terrorists are smart enough to take over a plane, why would they turn to attack the empty and reinforced side of the pentagon, instead of just ploughing straight into the nearest side? Why put forth the extra effort to minimize military casualties?

Why not realize the video of a plane striking the pentagon?

And why did most of the 9-11 hijackers turn out to be alive and well in their homelands?

too many questions, too many benefactors, and not enough answers for my comfort

you'll laugh at the hysterical comebacks these Bush dupes will have for you in their posts.they always have the most hysterical and laughable comebacks when they cant counter you as you'll find out when they try and address those points.they ignore facts that top pilots around the world have said they could not have done those manuvers the commission said they did and that the grass would have ben torched not remain green like it did. funny how they think we should listen to THEM instead of these airliner pilots isnt it?

yeah, only "Bush dupes" think you morons are fucking NUTZ

 

[JBeukema]

I asked questions... so far I've only gotten one answer. If you think he's wrong, then present your evidence, Right now, you're no different from the 'nuh-uh goddidit morons'

 

[DiveCon]

I asked questions... so far I've only gotten one answer. If you think he's wrong, then present your evidence, Right now, you're no different from the 'nuh-uh goddidit morons'

and just WHO are you talking to?
learn how to use the quote button

 

[JBeukema]

everyone who's attacking he 'conspiracy theory' yet cannot counter the evidence


on a lighter note...

We’ve all heard the “official conspiracy theory” of the Death Star attack. We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-defended battle station ever built. And we’ve all seen the video over, and over, and over, of the one-in-a-million shot that resulted in a massive chain reaction that not just damaged, but completely obliterated that massive technological wonder.

Like many, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it seemed. And the more I questioned the official story, the deeper into the rabbit hole I went.

Presented here are some of the results of my soul-searching regarding this painful event. Like many citizens, I have many questions that I would like answered: was the mighty Imperial government really too incompetent to prevent a handful of untrained nerf-herders from destroying one of their most prized assets? Or are they hiding something from us? Who was really behind the attack? Why did they want the Death Star destroyed? No matter what the answers, we have a problem.

Below is a summary of my book, Uncomfortable Questions: An Analysis of the Death Star Attack, which presents compelling evidence that we all may be the victims of a fraud of immense proportions.


Uncomfortable Questions about the Death Star Attack

The cover of Uncomfortable Questions: An Analysis of the Death Star Attack


1) Why were a handful of rebel fighters able to penetrate the defenses of a battle station that had the capability of destroying an entire planet and the defenses to ward off several fleets of battle ships?


The above photos show Death Star defenses. Did they stand down?

2) Why did Grand Moff Tarkin refuse to deploy the station’s large fleet of TIE Fighters until it was too late? Was he acting on orders from somebody to not shoot down the rebel attack force? If so, who, and why?

3) Why was the rebel pilot who supposedly destroyed the Death Star reported to be on the Death Star days, maybe hours, prior to its destruction? Why was he allowed to escape, and why were several individuals dressed in Stormtrooper uniforms seen helping him?

4) Why has there not been an investigation into allegations that Darth Vader, the second-ranking member of the Imperial Government, is in fact the father of the pilot who allegedly destroyed the Death Star?


Why didn't he arrest this rebel when he had the chance?

5) Why did Lord Vader decide to break all protocols and personally pilot a lightly armored TIE Fighter? Conveniently, this placed Lord Vader outside of the Death Star when it was destroyed, where he was also conveniently able to escape from a large-sized rebel fleet that had just routed the Imperial forces. Why would Lord Vader, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Government, suddenly decide to fly away from the Death Star in the middle of a battle? Did he know something that the rest of the Imperial Navy didn’t?

In the video of the Death Star’s destruction, Lord Vader clearly exclaims “I have you now” then fires two shots. Those shots never impact — anywhere. Were they merely “added” to the “official” video after the event to make it appear that Lord Vader had at least attempted to fight off his alleged son?


Onboard Camera shows the lone rebel in Vader's sights but doesn't pull the trigger.

Emperor Palpatine fails to act after being informed of the attack


6) Nerf-Herders defy the laws of physics? How could any pilot shoot a missile into a 2 meter-wide exhaust port, let alone a pilot with no formal training, whose only claim to fame was his ability to “bullseye womprats” on Tatooine? This shot, according to one pilot, would be “impossible, even for a computer.” Yet, according to additional evidence, the pilot who allegedly fired the missile turned off his targeting computer when he was supposedly firing the shot that destroyed the Death Star. How did the missile make a right angle turn after entering the exhaust port? How could a missile shot in the vacuum of space–that would tend to keep going in the same direction as it was released, according to the laws of physics–be *sucked* into an *exhaust* pipe? "Exhaust" means to exhale or blow out... Wouldn’t the missiles have been blown awry of their target rather than sucked in? If it had been an intake pipe, then the “bending” path of the missiles could be plausible. Why have these discrepancies never been investigated, let alone explained?

Actual tactical computer recording.






The Magic Missile Theory

7) Why has their been no investigation into evidence that the droids who provided the rebels with the Death Star plans were once owned by none other than Lord Vader himself, and were found, conveniently, by the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, and who is also believed to be Lord Vader’s son? Evidence also shows that the droids were brought to one Ben Kenobi, who, records indicate, was Darth Vader’s teacher many years earlier! Are all these personal connections between the conspirators and a key figure in the Imperial government supposed to be coincidences?

8) How could a single missile destroy a battle station the size of a moon? No records, anywhere, show that any battle station or capital ship has ever been destroyed by a single missile. Furthermore, analysis of the tape of the last moments of the Death Star show numerous small explosions along its surface, prior to it exploding completely! Why does all evidence indicate that strategically placed explosives, not a single missile, is what destroyed the Death Star?

How could this small missile create an explosion this big?

9) Prior to the destruction of the Death Star a smuggler named Captain Solo was reportedly given a large sum of money. At a crucial point in the battle, Captain Solo had an unobstructed shot on his choice of the fighters pursuing Skywalker, yet Solo did not take advantage of this opportunity to kill Darth Vader. Although Vader was in the process of firing upon Skywalker’s X-wing, Solo attacked the defensive fighter instead. In the aftermath, Vader escaped, while Solo still had crates of money in his cargo hold. Captain Solo eventually made his way to the Bespin system, where he was seen dining with none other than Vader, who was reportedly obsessed with obtaining Captain Solo’s ship (and the money contained therein). Solo’s ship was then seen flying into the super-structure of the second Death Star, destroying it just after Vader was able to get out (he was seen leaving a shuttle piloted by none other than Luke Skywalker). Yet through this whole sequence of events, the money was never seen removed from Solo’s ship. Was it used to bribe Darth Vader, who (allegedly) assassinated Palpatine? Did anyone other than Vader and Skywalker actually see Emperor Palpatine die?

10 ) During pilot debriefing we leaned that Obi Wan was the one who told Luke to turn off his targeting computer. He said he was told by Obi Wan to "Let go" and "Trust me". This is the same Obi Wan who was, according to the official story, killed after sabotaging the Death Star by none other than Darth Vader BEFORE speaking to Luke. His convenient death places him inside the Death Star just before the explosions on the surface occur. By faking his death Vader would have given Obi Wan time to plant explosives. The only evidence of his death is his Jedi robe on surveillance cameras. And even that can't be found because they decided to conveniently let the evidence burn in the planet atmosphere. Also, why are there reports from Endor that Lord Vader, Obi Wan and Yoda were seen together AFTER their deaths? And who other than the Empire has the capacity to fake their deaths?

11) Lord Vader executed an officer for incompetence by allowing the rebels to escape. He then orders another officer to disable the Millennium Falcon's hyper drive. The rebels once again escape using the disabled hyper drive. Why was the officer responsible for caring out Lord Vader's order to disable the hyper drive not executed? Why was he in fact given NO disciplinary action what so ever? Why did Lord Vader only disable the hyper drive? If Lord Vader didn't want the rebels to escape, why didn't he disable the ship entirely?

12) Why did the captain of the Imperial Stardestroyer not fire upon the lifepod with the droids carrying Death Star plans? The "official story" says he didn't find the any signs of life. He said "Hold your fire. There are no life forms. It must have been short-circuited." Why would he be looking for life when it was electronic plans he should have been looking for. Why did he jump to the conclusion it was "short-circuited". Is he a lifepod engineer?

How can all this be just incompetence and coincidence? IMPOSSIBLE!

The most important question of all is why would a shadowy group in the Empire want to destroy such a technological wonder? Is it an excuse to invade Hoth and steal their oil; a planet which didn’t have anything to do with the attacks. Or is it to take away your religious freedoms to practice the dark side of the force? As incredible as this sounds it makes more sense than the official story.



The only way we will ever get answers to these and other troubling questions is by voting into the office those who will make an investigation into the official story a priority

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