More ways for taxpayers to pay

[jhc1983]

The degree is a product...

And your opinion is irrelevant.. it is based on your feeling about the education.. not the reality of the debt or the product

The Public university system should be free anyway

Yea, then the tax payers would pay for ALL educations. Great idea. Then they can be smart dwelling in their parents basement, endorsing even more money from the contributors, not doing a goddamn thing for society. But hey, they know the differnce between a verb and noun!

How can you place value on what someone does for society

Just because someone does not work 40 hours a week does not mean they are not a value to society. Leave this caiptialistic mindset behind

 

[jhc1983]

The degree is a product...

And your opinion is irrelevant.. it is based on your feeling about the education.. not the reality of the debt or the product

The Public university system should be free anyway

No PRODUCT for an ADULT citizen should be free (in progressive speak, at the expense of someone else)... your CHOICE to go after an education product as an adult becomes your responsibility.. if you want it 'free', then check out a library book and read for your education

You should take a look at you life and see how many different PRODUCTS that you use that are provided by the government

 

[bripat9643]

"Pay As You Earn" Student Loan Plan Begins This Month | Indy's News Center - 93.1 WIBC Indianapolis - Live. Local. First.

Looks as though it is time to pander to the students who don't choose majors wisely and who already abuse the student loan program (which should not be a function of government anyway)

Let's see... capped at 10% of discretionary spending... hmm.... Dreadlock Dolly decides to major in Sanskrit with a minor in Gender Studies. Does not matter that paying 200K for these degrees won't really land a viable job, does not matter at all. Now Dreadlock Dolly decides to live in the cultural area of NYC or in SF, where rent is something like 2K a month for a 1BR. Can't get a good paying job with those degrees, and of course she does not want to work something 'beneath' her 'education'. Well, no need to worry about paying for those dreaded evil college loan bills. Dreadlock Dolly can recite gender poetry at the local cafe at nights earning practically nothing and supplement that with a job at Starbucks that barely covers her rent and food. Say she is lucky enough to earn 1K a month above what it costs for her housing, food, etc. Well, with this new idea, that leaves a max of $100 a month that she can be forced to pay toward HER debt. She continues to 'find herself' over the years, paying this amount. Well, after 20 years and lots of poetry readings, she has paid off a bit over 20K on her 200K loan for tuition. Well, all is to be forgiven and paid for by the actual taxpayer. After all, her 'education' is paramount

We really are fostering irresponsible behavior in this country, more and more. People thinking there is no need for personal responsibility, doing what you have to do, paying for what you want yourself, etc....

This is un-fucking-real

So...you'd rather they owe that money forever or default? How would that be better?

They would serve as an object lesson to those who would major in subjects Sanskrit or Gender Studies. It's called "personal responsibility."

Why should responsible people be stuck with the bill for such irresponsible nitwits?

 

[bripat9643]

The Public university system should be free anyway

No PRODUCT for an ADULT citizen should be free (in progressive speak, at the expense of someone else)... your CHOICE to go after an education product as an adult becomes your responsibility.. if you want it 'free', then check out a library book and read for your education

You should take a look at you life and see how many different PRODUCTS that you use that are provided by the government

Not many, chum, and not by choice.

 

[bripat9643]

The Public university system should be free anyway

Yea, then the tax payers would pay for ALL educations. Great idea. Then they can be smart dwelling in their parents basement, endorsing even more money from the contributors, not doing a goddamn thing for society. But hey, they know the differnce between a verb and noun!

How can you place value on what someone does for society

Just because someone does not work 40 hours a week does not mean they are not a value to society. Leave this caiptialistic mindset behind

That's what the laws of supply and demand in the labor market do, place a value on your contribution to society. That's why liberals hate them so much, because their "contributions" are mostly worthless.

 

[bripat9643]

The Public university system should be free anyway

Public universities should be abolished. So should government funded student loans, for that matter.

 

[bripat9643]

A car is a material object that the government should not provide and has nothing to do with the government repaying your education because you do not have the finances to do so.

A person assisting in the community is as good as a repaid loan in my opinion

Who says they are "assisting the community?" Someone who majors in "gender studies" doesn't produce a thing of any value to me.

 

[bripat9643]

You are basing success on money. How capitalistic of you.
Maybe to whoever majored in some humanities they feel like they have had success

If they're such a great success, then let them pay for their own schooling.

 

[jhc1983]

You are basing success on money. How capitalistic of you.
Maybe to whoever majored in some humanities they feel like they have had success

If they're such a great success, then let them pay for their own schooling.

Who is to say success means money? Only capitalist who need people to have money to buy their products. Truthfully, though, success is much bigger than financial gain

 

[jhc1983]

The Public university system should be free anyway

Public universities should be abolished. So should government funded student loans, for that matter.

Lets stop any movement in the social ladder. Good idea.

 

[bripat9643]

You are basing success on money. How capitalistic of you.
Maybe to whoever majored in some humanities they feel like they have had success

If they're such a great success, then let them pay for their own schooling.

Who is to say success means money? Only capitalist who need people to have money to buy their products. Truthfully, though, success is much bigger than financial gain

Apparently college students who major in gender studies also need money to pay for their fetish.

hey, if money isn't important, then why do they need any from the taxpayers?

 

[bripat9643]

The Public university system should be free anyway

Public universities should be abolished. So should government funded student loans, for that matter.

Lets stop any movement in the social ladder. Good idea.

There was plenty of movement in the social ladder before the government began massive subsidies to public universities.

 

[DiamondDave]

The Public university system should be free anyway

No PRODUCT for an ADULT citizen should be free (in progressive speak, at the expense of someone else)... your CHOICE to go after an education product as an adult becomes your responsibility.. if you want it 'free', then check out a library book and read for your education

You should take a look at you life and see how many different PRODUCTS that you use that are provided by the government

Where is the government making the product?? And where they are (say, education for youth) where are they doing it BETTER?? And the public education for the youth is NOT free, it is paid for by all property owners, lottery players, etc

And since, you commie asshole, you want free adult schooling of your choice for however long on whatever... I guess you better force your teachers to teach it for free, you builders to build the schools for free, the printers to print the books for free, the custodians to clean for free, the desk makers to make and provide the desks for free, the electrical workers to work and provide the electricity for free.... all hail big mommy government controlling all production and compensation

 

[Skull Pilot]

Studying in college is not to find a well paying job
but to educate yourself.

You can educate yourself for free.

 

[DiamondDave]

Studying in college is not to find a well paying job
but to educate yourself.

You can educate yourself for free.

But but but... I want a degree in piss themed art from a college that costs 45K a year... I don't care if it leads me to only make 20K a year after I graduate... I WANT IT!!!! And I want YOU to pay for it!!!!

 

[DiamondDave]

The funny thing is that we have had one Noob commie in here defending this.. but not the rest of the left wing brigade here

 

[LogikAndReazon]

A fallacy

Attempting to connect social issues with economic issues

If you want to claim economic issues have morality

Isn't it the right of the people who have success to help the people attempting to succeed

YOU were the one using the fallacy. By pointing to a supposed majority of people thinking the way you do, you tried to make your position appear "right" which a classic appeal to the masses (or mob).

A fallacy does not discriminate between economic or social issues, or any issues, it is an error in logic.

And how does someone making the government foot the bill for a $200k education in conceptual theater or some other horsecrap "helping someone to succeed?" If they were sucessful shouldnt they be able to pay thier own bill?

You are basing success on money. How capitalistic of you.
Maybe to whoever majored in some humanities they feel like they have had success

They can pay for their own delusions of grandeur

 

[DiamondDave]

YOU were the one using the fallacy. By pointing to a supposed majority of people thinking the way you do, you tried to make your position appear "right" which a classic appeal to the masses (or mob).

A fallacy does not discriminate between economic or social issues, or any issues, it is an error in logic.

And how does someone making the government foot the bill for a $200k education in conceptual theater or some other horsecrap "helping someone to succeed?" If they were sucessful shouldnt they be able to pay thier own bill?

You are basing success on money. How capitalistic of you.
Maybe to whoever majored in some humanities they feel like they have had success

They can pay for their own delusions of grandeur

But they don't WANT to... they want to 'find themselves'.. they should not be hassled with actually paying for what they want

 

[DiamondDave]

So I guess that since only one wingnut came in to defend this action, that the other outspoken lefties on here are against this