More Terrorism In France

Annie

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But they are not calling it that, not even anti-Semitism. Lots of links:

http://allisonkaplansommer.blogmosis.com/history/031444.html#031444

A Jew Is Tortured and Killed in Paris...But Is it Anti-Semitism? Mais, non!

Amidst all of this hullabaloo surrounding cartoons, the story of the extremely horrific kidnapping, torture and murder of a young man named Ilan Halimi in France has gotten lost.

The story is horrific in several ways -- not the least of which is the fact that the French authorities have had the audacity to prematurely claim that anti-Semitism didn't play a role in the crime, when it so obviously did.

It all started on January 21, when a good-looking young woman walked into a cellular telephone store, started flirting with Halimi, and they made a date. It turned out that she was bait, used by a gang to lure Halimi into a kidnapping.

The woman had been sent by the gang, which calls itself "The Barbarians." A police source said the gang is a group of childhood friends who grew up in Bagneux, a suburb south of Paris. The gang includes Muslims of North African descent and is headed by Youssef Fofana, who has escaped police capture so far. According to Marin, the gang had made six similar abduction attempts in the past.

After overpowering Halimi, the gang brought him to an apartment in a high-rise in Bagneux. They contacted Halimi's family and over the next three weeks demanded ransoms ranging from 300,000 to 500,000 euros. According to reports, at one point they agreed upon a deal and set a meeting place but the kidnappers backed out and eventually ended contact.​



On Monday, several weeks after he was seized, Halimi was found tied to a tree, naked and burned all over his body. He died on the way to the hospital.

"They acted with indescribable cruelty," the judiciary police chief leading the investigation said. "They kept him naked and tied up for weeks. They cut him and in the end poured flammable liquid on him and set him alight."​

Late Thursday night, a SWAT team stormed an apartment building and arrested 12 members of the gang suspected in the kidnapping. Another was arrested in Belgium.

The fact that they caught the perpetrators is good. The fact that the Paris public prosecutor, Jean-Claude Marin, told the media that "no element of the current investigation could link this murder to an anti-Semitic declaration or action" is outrageous.

How about these elements?

According to Halimi's father, two of the previous kidnapping targets before his son were Jewish. And what's more, he told the media that:

"When we said we didn't have 500,000 euros to give them they told us to go to the synagogue and get it," Rafi said. "They also recited verses from the Koran."​

Now, I really don't think the grieving father has any reason to make this up.

Add to that the fact that there are many simpler methods of murdering a standard kidnap victim -- but holding him prisoner naked? Setting him on fire and tying him to a tree? If this was a white gang and the victim was black would anyone be questioning if it was racist?

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out that anti-Semitism just might have played a role in this. Instead, it seems we've got Inspector Clouseau on the case.

Surprisingly, this story hasn't gotten major play even in the Israeli media until today when the arrests were made -- we've all been too busy and the papers stuffed to the brim, not only with the Danish cartoon saga, but with Hamas, the Israeli election campaign and the Olympics.

It's nowhere to be found in the international media, not in the U.S. press and not on the wires. Only the Jewish and Israeli press, and one British paper.

I heard about it several days ago, only because my in-laws are French, and the affair has understandably shaken the French Jewish community to the core.We had a large wave of French Jews immigrating to Israel last summer. Something tells me that this summer we're going to have another one.

UPDATE: This post has been linked and Green-Football-anched and Charles and his massive lizard posse have are taking the story and running with it -- check here for continuing developments.

They have already found the Guardian quoting the French Liberation paper as saying that the gang was inspired by videos they had seen from Iraq. Lovely.

UPDATE: Well, I guess a lot of people know about the story now.
Posted by allisonks at February 19, 2006 07:25 PM
 
Why always see terrorism or antisemitism ?
it' a fucking gang, now police has a lot of informations to hold the leader.

With a such point of view (yours), Chicago or NY would be terrorists cities, with all the gangs.
 
padisha emperor said:
Why always see terrorism or antisemitism ?
it' a fucking gang, now police has a lot of informations to hold the leader.

With a such point of view (yours), Chicago or NY would be terrorists cities, with all the gangs.
Sorry PE, difference is our 'gangs' are run of the mill criminals, not terrorists in a global sense. Now MS-13, that is worth looking into....
 
padisha emperor said:
Why always see terrorism or antisemitism ?
it' a fucking gang, now police has a lot of informations to hold the leader.

With a such point of view (yours), Chicago or NY would be terrorists cities, with all the gangs.


Its an act of terror (inspired by examples in Iraq) against a Jew by a gang that had previously tried to kidnap a Jew.

Disgusting. An ordinary gang in America that kidnapped someone (or in a country like Brazil or Hong Kong) would just shoot them... maybe dismember them to mail the body parts to the family... but not torture and maim them like in this manner. And not a bunch of Arabs doing this to a Jew.
 
padisha emperor said:
Why always see terrorism or antisemitism ?
it' a fucking gang, now police has a lot of informations to hold the leader.

With a such point of view (yours), Chicago or NY would be terrorists cities, with all the gangs.

your "gangs" target, capture torture and kill jews......what else would the be guility of ....trying to find a tailor....
 
manu1959 said:
your "gangs" target, capture torture and kill jews......what else would the be guility of ....trying to find a tailor....

Probably more like anyone who can afford to pay a ransom.
 
padisha emperor said:
Why always see terrorism or antisemitism ?


Antisemitism isn't everywhere in France but it does exist (among other injustices), with or without this horrible murder... It's important to admit it exists and face it so we can fight against it. We can't do much if we close our eyes.
 
padisha emperor said:
Why always see terrorism or antisemitism ?
it' a fucking gang, now police has a lot of informations to hold the leader.

With a such point of view (yours), Chicago or NY would be terrorists cities, with all the gangs.

You live in a fantasy world, PE.
 
Well, my message dated from a period when the antisemitism nature of the act was nor prooved. It could have been a tragic and awful murder, but not specially antisemit.
Now, we know it was.

France reacts hardly against this barbarian crime, and Fofana has been capture and extraded in France, where he will be judged.
 

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