More Satisfaction found in Socialist health Care, than American Loser Care

[shintao]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

Comparing Germany to the U.S. is not exactly a fair comparison.

Not fair? The Retards think comparing Canada, with a total population smaller than CA. is fair, so I am giving you a very close comparison.

Lets start with the fact that the U.S. has 4 times the population. Having a universal health care system for 350 million people is not the same as having it for 82 million.

Yes, so America has 4 times the capital to work with, but both share about the same taxation formula, America having a slight advantage when all is said and done.

And I really don't give a damn if Germans like their gubmint health care. They also like their gubmint extermination of the Jewish race at one time.

Well there you go, showing arrogance and ignorance and bias. At least you made 2 good sentences before you FAILED miserably.

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care. Thats were you get your "death panels". And if you don't believe me then look at Ezekiel Emanual of the Obama Administration.

No, there is no proof of your scare tactics and delusions. None whatsoever. You have a German model, and if you follow it, it will produce the same results.

Heres the paper he wrote: http://econopundit.com/ezekiel_emmauel.pdf

Yes, some 400 pages. I downloaded it, and thank you.

 

[shintao]

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Obama's top health care advisor, advocates denying care to elderly and disabled - Washington DC Catholic Living | Examiner.com

Wooooooooo! Too many ads to even read whatever it was you wanted to show. Sorry.

 

[syrenn]

You get what you pay for. Seems fair to me.

 

[shintao]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, isntead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

There is no such country called West Germany. So thats enough to tell me that the author of your source does not know what they are talking about.

It appears this article was written in 1994. From page 3 at the link in the OP:

24 HEALTH AFFAIRS | Fall 1994

I wonder if Shintao and the others are aware that they are now criticizing the US health care system when Bill Clinton was President.

I really haven't given it thought, but as you mention it, it reminds me, Bill Clinton attempted to give Americans NHC back in 1994, 16 years ago. And you might think about that, and all the people who had to go without thanks to republicans. Republicans that found trillions to fight a worthless ME war. Think about it.............

 

[shintao]

Since at least 1994, WHO and medical community have been aware of the differences in calculating infant mortality rates in US vs other developed countries. It seems that Europe and Canada do not count live births of infants under 500g., the US does. They also save many more now than in 1994:

International infant mortality rates: bias from reporting differences.

Can read the report here, including tables.

Well, luckily you have the CIA that conducts its own studys


United States

Birth rate:
13.83 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 151

Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.14 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 178
male: 6.81 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.24 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.78 years
female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)


Germany

Birth rate:
8.21 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 220

Infant mortality rate:
total: 3.95 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 206
male: 4.36 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 3.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.41 years
country comparison to the world: 36
male: 76.41 years
female: 82.57 years (2010 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

 

[Annie]

Since at least 1994, WHO and medical community have been aware of the differences in calculating infant mortality rates in US vs other developed countries. It seems that Europe and Canada do not count live births of infants under 500g., the US does. They also save many more now than in 1994:

International infant mortality rates: bias from reporting differences.

Can read the report here, including tables.

Well, luckily you have the CIA that conducts its own studys


United States

Birth rate:
13.83 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 151

Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.14 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 178
male: 6.81 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.24 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.78 years
female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)


Germany

Birth rate:
8.21 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 220

Infant mortality rate:
total: 3.95 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 206
male: 4.36 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 3.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.41 years
country comparison to the world: 36
male: 76.41 years
female: 82.57 years (2010 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

The factbook publishes the data given by the countries, but you knew that.

 

[liebuster]

Not fair? The Retards think comparing Canada, with a total population smaller than CA. is fair, so I am giving you a very close comparison.

Yeah and Canada is having horrible problems with it. Why would you think it would work when its bigger.

Yes, so America has 4 times the capital to work with, but both share about the same taxation formula, America having a slight advantage when all is said and done.

Again. Just because its bigger doesn't mean it will work better. Remember your dealing with the government.

Well there you go, showing arrogance and ignorance and bias. At least you made 2 good sentences before you FAILED miserably.

I was making the point that it doesn't matter that the Germans like their government run care back in 1994. What works their won't necessarily work here. Sorry I had to put it in a way you didn't agree with.

No, there is no proof of your scare tactics and delusions. None whatsoever. You have a German model, and if you follow it, it will produce the same results.

There are countless examples around the world of government run health care rationing care. Canada, England, and even Germany. German doctors fear health care rationing | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 19.01.2010

These are not scare tactics. These are realities for people of government run health care.



"At least we can let doctors know and your mom know that you know what, maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but, taking the painkiller" -President Obama

 

[shintao]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

I'm very pleased with the quality of my health care. If you don't like it go move to Germany. Nobody is keeping you here.

Hmm, I very happy with my health care as well, and if you don't like it, suck my cock twinkie boy! No one is stopping you Twinkie Boy! LMAO!

 

[shintao]

Not fair? The Retards think comparing Canada, with a total population smaller than CA. is fair, so I am giving you a very close comparison.

Yeah and Canada is having horrible problems with it. Why would you think it would work when its bigger.

Because the model is Germany, not Canada. LMAO!!

Yes, so America has 4 times the capital to work with, but both share about the same taxation formula, America having a slight advantage when all is said and done.

Again. Just because its bigger doesn't mean it will work better. Remember your dealing with the government.

Certainly. Just duplicate the German Model. I notice the Germans had no problem making it work, so are you Suggesting Americans are stupid mother fuckers that can't tie their shoe laces?? Hell, we put a man on the moon, and can't make a fucking medical plan for the nation??? LMAO!!! America must be the dumbest fuckers on the planet. Why take you for example, defeated before you even begin. I bet you are a scab aren't you?Well don't worry, we Socialist will take care of you in the death panels.

Well there you go, showing arrogance and ignorance and bias. At least you made 2 good sentences before you FAILED miserably.

I was making the point that it doesn't matter that the Germans like their government run care back in 1994. What works their won't necessarily work here. Sorry I had to put it in a way you didn't agree with.

If you dupicate it, it will work. If you copy Fords machine drawings, the engine will run. Get it? Sure it is our Government and our own medical people screwing us. Two sentence bill is all that is needed. "Free Health care of all American citizens. No other business until the bill passes." That should do it. Now let the honest Congress figure out how we will get free NHC, afterall that is what we are paying them to do. If they can't do it, we vote that block out, and send a new block to DC to work on it.

Eventually corporations who are not getting their aid and subsidies will pressure the Congress to pass the damn bill. Then we can go about setting up a free system, probably paid for with foreign aid, import/export taxes, and bring the US troops home to America.

No, there is no proof of your scare tactics and delusions. None whatsoever. You have a German model, and if you follow it, it will produce the same results.

There are countless examples around the world of government run health care rationing care. Canada, England, and even Germany. German doctors fear health care rationing | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 19.01.2010

These are not scare tactics. These are realities for people of government run health care.

Let me ask you, how many priorities do you have above your own life? If I am Mr. Death and I am coming for you with my sickle, what would be more important to you, than yourself?? Would having US Troops butchered in the ME be more important? How about foreign aid? Would you sacrifice your family first, or are they more or less important than your life? Because that is what we are talking about here, giving you and yours an extended life, and more grandchildren to carry on the human species on this lil Universal ball called Earth. Those bastards in DC and the medical corps are saying fuck you, so you decide.

You have to set the Priorities in your life and in society.

"At least we can let doctors know and your mom know that you know what, maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but, taking the painkiller" -President Obama

He is an idiot, he is a corporatist, a con, and I am surprised he fought for NHC. It might be a black reason, I don't know, but I do know it is long overdue and he attempting to give Americas a patched condom of a NHC plan to sooth the rights feathers. You decide for your family, you decide what that biggest priority is to you.

And perhaps there should be a thread on what are your top ten priorities for America, because after life, I am sure we would all go in various directions for very good reasons.

 

[hipeter924]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

I'm very pleased with the quality of my health care. If you don't like it go move to Germany. Nobody is keeping you here.

Ah, yes.....the $tatu$ Quo!!!!

How quaint.....



.....But, many others prefer actual-options......​

How about jumping off a cliff? I am glad I don't have European healthcare, its even worse than what I have now.

 

[DiveCon]

Since at least 1994, WHO and medical community have been aware of the differences in calculating infant mortality rates in US vs other developed countries. It seems that Europe and Canada do not count live births of infants under 500g., the US does. They also save many more now than in 1994:

International infant mortality rates: bias from reporting differences.

Can read the report here, including tables.

Well, luckily you have the CIA that conducts its own studys


United States

Birth rate:
13.83 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 151

Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.14 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 178
male: 6.81 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.24 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.78 years
female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)


Germany

Birth rate:
8.21 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 220

Infant mortality rate:
total: 3.95 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 206
male: 4.36 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 3.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.41 years
country comparison to the world: 36
male: 76.41 years
female: 82.57 years (2010 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

The factbook publishes the data given by the countries, but you knew that.

actually, he probably didnt

 

[shintao]

Well, luckily you have the CIA that conducts its own studys


United States

Birth rate:
13.83 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 151

Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.14 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 178
male: 6.81 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.24 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.78 years
female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)


Germany

Birth rate:
8.21 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 220

Infant mortality rate:
total: 3.95 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 206
male: 4.36 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 3.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.41 years
country comparison to the world: 36
male: 76.41 years
female: 82.57 years (2010 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

The factbook publishes the data given by the countries, but you knew that.

actually, he probably didnt

Actually, you are blowing smoke, and as usual, don't know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[shintao]

Since at least 1994, WHO and medical community have been aware of the differences in calculating infant mortality rates in US vs other developed countries. It seems that Europe and Canada do not count live births of infants under 500g., the US does. They also save many more now than in 1994:

International infant mortality rates: bias from reporting differences.

Can read the report here, including tables.

Well, luckily you have the CIA that conducts its own studys


United States

Birth rate:
13.83 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 151

Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.14 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 178
male: 6.81 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.24 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.78 years
female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)


Germany

Birth rate:
8.21 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 220

Infant mortality rate:
total: 3.95 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 206
male: 4.36 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 3.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.41 years
country comparison to the world: 36
male: 76.41 years
female: 82.57 years (2010 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

The factbook publishes the data given by the countries, but you knew that.

No Annie, the CIA Fact Book takes the data and weights it to make up for discrepancy's. But you know that, correct?

"Assessment Researchers can differ in their assessment of data quality and in their estimates based on the available country data. They often need to adjust their estimates due to such factors as undercounting in a census or underregistration of births or deaths."

They do that so cons can't make excuses about each country this or that.
CIAFB

 

[DiveCon]

The factbook publishes the data given by the countries, but you knew that.

actually, he probably didnt

Actually. you are blowing smoke, and as usual, don't know what the hell you are talking about.

and there it is again, classic case of PROJECTION

 

[DiveCon]

Well, luckily you have the CIA that conducts its own studys


United States

Birth rate:
13.83 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 151

Infant mortality rate:
total: 6.14 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 178
male: 6.81 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.44 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 78.24 years
country comparison to the world: 49
male: 75.78 years
female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)


Germany

Birth rate:
8.21 births/1,000 population (2010 est.)
country comparison to the world: 220

Infant mortality rate:
total: 3.95 deaths/1,000 live births
country comparison to the world: 206
male: 4.36 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 3.51 deaths/1,000 live births (2010 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.41 years
country comparison to the world: 36
male: 76.41 years
female: 82.57 years (2010 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

The factbook publishes the data given by the countries, but you knew that.

No Annie, the CIA Fact Book takes the data and weights it to make up for discrepancy's. But you know that, correct?

"Assessment Researchers can differ in their assessment of data quality and in their estimates based on the available country data. They often need to adjust their estimates due to such factors as undercounting in a census or underregistration of births or deaths."

They do that so cons can't make excuses about each country this or that.
CIAFB

that only confirms what she said, moron

 

[shintao]

actually, he probably didnt

Actually. you are blowing smoke, and as usual, don't know what the hell you are talking about.

and there it is again, classic case of PROJECTION

Got the bends? Check your oxygen, as your delusions are showing.

 

[shintao]

The factbook publishes the data given by the countries, but you knew that.

No Annie, the CIA Fact Book takes the data and weights it to make up for discrepancy's. But you know that, correct?

"Assessment Researchers can differ in their assessment of data quality and in their estimates based on the available country data. They often need to adjust their estimates due to such factors as undercounting in a census or underregistration of births or deaths."

They do that so cons can't make excuses about each country this or that.
CIAFB

that only confirms what she said, moron

Only to a brain dead imbecile like yourself, asshole..

 

[DiveCon]

No Annie, the CIA Fact Book takes the data and weights it to make up for discrepancy's. But you know that, correct?

"Assessment Researchers can differ in their assessment of data quality and in their estimates based on the available country data. They often need to adjust their estimates due to such factors as undercounting in a census or underregistration of births or deaths."

They do that so cons can't make excuses about each country this or that.
CIAFB

that only confirms what she said, moron

Only to a brain dead imbecile like yourself, asshole..

there's that classic projection again
LOL

 

[DiveCon]

Actually. you are blowing smoke, and as usual, don't know what the hell you are talking about.

and there it is again, classic case of PROJECTION

Got the bends? Check your oxygen, as your delusions are showing.

again, showing you are a fucking idiotic moron

 

[shintao]

that only confirms what she said, moron

Only to a brain dead imbecile like yourself, asshole..

there's that classic projection again
LOL

That's the bends again? Check your oxygen, as your delusions are showing.