More Satisfaction found in Socialist health Care, than American Loser Care

[shintao]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, isntead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

There is no such country called West Germany. So thats enough to tell me that the author of your source does not know what they are talking about.

 

[shintao]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, isntead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

There is no such country called West Germany. So thats enough to tell me that the author of your source does not know what they are talking about.

There is a citation for the study, telling me you don't know the date of German reunification. So that tells me your lacking, and you should toodle along.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, isntead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

There is no such country called West Germany. So thats enough to tell me that the author of your source does not know what they are talking about.

There is a citation for the study, telling me you don't know the date of German reunification. So that tells me your lacking, and you should toodle along.

So you're source is using out dated information.

 

[Annie]

The Public Versus The World Health Organization On Health System ...
by RJ Blendon - 2001 - Cited by 126 - Related articles
higher level of satisfaction with their health care system than ...
content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/20/3/10.pdf

It's a pdf, so you'll have to go read and it's long. Basically it's a sociological report, comparing results with WHO.

Bottom line, Americans tend to be a bit more demanding of doctors and systems than some others, shockingly we're less likely to defer to physicians. Some other factors are also included in the comparisons. Interesting read.

 

[Old Rocks]

Results count. Longevity, infant mortality, and children's health all have better numbers in democracies like Canada, Japan, Germany, and many others, than in the US. But, what the hell, the Health Care Insurers are making billionaires, so we are ahead of the game, right?

 

[Truthmatters]

Dont forget we also pay more for our shitier care.

 

[Truthmatters]

Oh yeah and our costs just keep rising and our care is more limited.

 

[liebuster]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

Comparing Germany to the U.S. is not exactly a fair comparison.

Lets start with the fact that the U.S. has 4 times the population. Having a universal health care system for 350 million people is not the same as having it for 82 million.

And I really don't give a damn if Germans like their gubmint health care. They also like their gubmint extermination of the Jewish race at one time.

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care. Thats were you get your "death panels". And if you don't believe me then look at Ezekiel Emanual of the Obama Administration.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Obama's top health care advisor, advocates denying care to elderly and disabled - Washington DC Catholic Living | Examiner.com

Heres the paper he wrote: http://econopundit.com/ezekiel_emmauel.pdf

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Results count. Longevity, infant mortality, and children's health all have better numbers in democracies like Canada, Japan, Germany, and many others, than in the US. But, what the hell, the Health Care Insurers are making billionaires, so we are ahead of the game, right?

Well, $OMEBODY always manages to stay-ahead!!!!

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BILL MOYERS: Why is public insurance, a public option, so fiercely opposed by the industry?

WENDELL POTTER: The industry doesn't want to have any competitor. In fact, over the course of the last few years, has been shrinking the number of competitors through a lot of acquisitions and mergers. So first of all, they don't want any more competition period. They certainly don't want it from a government plan that might be operating more efficiently than they are, that they operate. The Medicare program that we have here is a government-run program that has administrative expenses that are like three percent or so.

BILL MOYERS: Compared to the industry's--

WENDELL POTTER: They spend about 20 cents of every premium dollar on overhead, which is administrative expense or profit. So they don't want to compete against a more efficient competitor.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI[/ame]​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care.

Ah, yes.....more o' those "magical" Absolutes!!!!!

​

 

[liebuster]

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care.

Ah, yes.....more o' those "magical" Absolutes!!!!!

​

I provided evidence to back up my claim. Can you provide evidence that it won't?

 

[Moon]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, isntead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

There is no such country called West Germany. So thats enough to tell me that the author of your source does not know what they are talking about.

It appears this article was written in 1994. From page 3 at the link in the OP:

24 HEALTH AFFAIRS | Fall 1994

I wonder if Shintao and the others are aware that they are now criticizing the US health care system when Bill Clinton was President.

 

[Moon]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

Germans of all ages have long enjoyed fully portable health
insurance that provides what is effectively first-dollar coverage for a very
comprehensive package of benefits. Furthermore, unlike U.S. patients, who
increasingly find their choice of doctor and hospital limited through the
technique of managed competition, German patients still enjoy completely
free choice of provider at the time illness strikes. In cross-national opinion
surveys conducted by the Louis Harris organization in conjunction with the
Harvard School of Public Health, both German patients and physicians
express relatively greater satisfaction with their health care system than
their American counterparts express with their system.1

1.R. Blendon et al., “Satisfaction with Health Systems in Ten Nations,” Health Affairs
(Summer 1990): 185-192; and R. Blendon et al., “Physicians’ Perspectives on Caring
for Patients in the United States, Canada, and West Germany,” The New England
Journal of Medicine (8 April 1994): 1011-1016.

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/13/4/22.pdf

Comparing Germany to the U.S. is not exactly a fair comparison.

Lets start with the fact that the U.S. has 4 times the population. Having a universal health care system for 350 million people is not the same as having it for 82 million.

And I really don't give a damn if Germans like their gubmint health care. They also like their gubmint extermination of the Jewish race at one time.

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care. Thats were you get your "death panels". And if you don't believe me then look at Ezekiel Emanual of the Obama Administration.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Obama's top health care advisor, advocates denying care to elderly and disabled - Washington DC Catholic Living | Examiner.com

Heres the paper he wrote: http://econopundit.com/ezekiel_emmauel.pdf

Is that (in bold) really necessary in order for you to make your point? If it is, then I'd say your point isn't worth making.

 

[Annie]

Since at least 1994, WHO and medical community have been aware of the differences in calculating infant mortality rates in US vs other developed countries. It seems that Europe and Canada do not count live births of infants under 500g., the US does. They also save many more now than in 1994:

International infant mortality rates: bias from reporting differences.

Can read the report here, including tables.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

I'm very pleased with the quality of my health care. If you don't like it go move to Germany. Nobody is keeping you here.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care.

Ah, yes.....more o' those "magical" Absolutes!!!!!

​

I provided evidence to back up my claim. Can you provide evidence that it won't?

Yeah.....I saw it......​

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care.​

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......how convincing!!!!!

​

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

I'm very pleased with the quality of my health care. If you don't like it go move to Germany. Nobody is keeping you here.

Thats the problem he wants everybody equal. Having nothing is the equation to his problem

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Don't you wish you could be happy about your health care, instead of paying for the little crap the Insurance carriers dole out to you??

I'm very pleased with the quality of my health care. If you don't like it go move to Germany. Nobody is keeping you here.

Ah, yes.....the $tatu$ Quo!!!!

How quaint.....



.....But, many others prefer actual-options......​

 

[liebuster]

Ah, yes.....more o' those "magical" Absolutes!!!!!

​

I provided evidence to back up my claim. Can you provide evidence that it won't?

Yeah.....I saw it......​

The cold hard truth is government run health care system in the U.S. will lead to rationing of health care.​

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo......how convincing!!!!!

​

You must have glanced over it. I post it again. I case you didn't know he advocates for the "Complete Lives System" of health care.

I'm not sure if your really a progressive or just a conservative acting like a progressive trying to make progressives look dumb.....



Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, Obama's top health care advisor, advocates denying care to elderly and disabled - Washington DC Catholic Living | Examiner.com

Heres the paper he wrote: http://econopundit.com/ezekiel_emmauel.pdf