More record heat

[saveliberty]

Cold, windy weather enveloping the U.S. from the northern Plains to the East Coast may continue to break temperature records today. In south Florida, orange growers may escape most crop damage.

U.S. Faces Record Cold Weather; Florida Crops May Avoid Damage - BusinessWeek

SALT LAKE CITY — Alpine, Brigham City and Brigham Young University all set or tied record low maximum temperature readings Thursday, according to the National Weather Service.

Cold temperatures set records around Utah | Deseret News

Yellowstaone had a low of 28 degrees twice last week.

Four cities hit record lows for today.

 

[hortysir]

I'm gonna tell you the same thing I tell all the tourists that come to Florida, in the summer.

IT'S THE HUMIDITY!!!

 

[gslack]

Just a bit of logic here a second, and then chris and sockos can get back to pushing propaganda.

If it was drastically warming for the last 160 or so years as they claim... Wouldn't it stand to reason we would see more record heat every year or in the least a closer grouping of record heat? If it has really been warming so drastically for 160 years, would it seem likely we would still be breaking 116 year old heat records now? I would think a new record should be going on every year or at least every 5 or 10 years rather than 116 or 60...

Okay thats enough logic, carry on with the propaganda...LOL

 

[uscitizen]

The world ends in 2012 anyway, why worry?

 

[hortysir]

The world ends in 2012 anyway, why worry?

Only for demoturds

 

[westwall]

There have been many environmental catastrophes over geological time. A major strike in on what is now the Yucatan Peninsula wiped out about 70% of the species in existance at that time. However, at the Permian-Triassic boundry, the Siberian Trapps released enough GHGs, by direct emission of CO2, and extruding on clathrates, that it created a runaway greenhouse effect, and most of the ocean clathrates were released into the atmosphere. The oxygen level dropped to 11%, and 95% of all species died.

That is certainly one theory. It is not the theory that most ascribe to however.

This is the MOST likely cause of the extinction...GLOBAL COOLING

The Siberian Traps

Then of course there is the ever popular impact theory....

Meteorite impacts>

Then of course there is your ever popular climate change...interesting though how you never mention the possibility of cooling.....puzzling.

Permian Extinction - climate change

Then of course it could have been a by-product of the formation of Pangea

Formation of Pangea

And once again we get back to cooling.

Permian Extinction - glaciation

You will notice that in the scientific community COOLING is suggested as a cause directly three times and heating only once. Only in the factually challenged world of wikipedia is heating considered number one.

i take it your stance is that these are naturally occuring cycles vs. a manmade one

my question here is, why can't both be relevant factors?

~S~

It is certainly possible that man is having an effect. However, the science as it exists now is completely unreliable. Politics has taken precedence over science. Not one climatologist who is a proponent of AGW theory can prove anything. They rely on fear mongering and manipulation of data to promulgate their agenda.

Hence we have no honest idea what is truly going on...other than a very few people stand to make a huge fortune based on taking it from us little people. That is the only verifiable fact that can be pointed to in the AGW discussion.

Frankly I don't wish to bankrupt my 4 year old daughter before she can even vote.

How about you?

 

[Old Rocks]

Trap volcanics do not emit great clouds of ash and sulphates, as do caldera volcanoes. They do emit huge amounts of CO2. And, when extruding on a continental shelf, will cause the release of the CH4 in any clathrates in the vicinity.

Methane Catastrophe

But Morante understood the isotopic excursion to have been the possible result of "the release of potentially huge volumes of 13C-depleted methane stored in clathrates in tundra environments and polar continental shelves," which, together with increased carbon dioxide released from continental shelf sediments, would have created a greenhouse world. In addition, Morante found that the negative carbon isotope excursion took between 300,000 and 600,000 years, making for a much shorter extinction event than that contemplated by Erwin. (As noted previously, we now know that major hydrate methane releases actually take place in less than 10,000 years.) Basing his estimate of the length of time needed for post-extinction recovery on the carbon isotope record, Morante placed the emergence of the planet from its end-Permian trauma at about the latest Middle Triassic, roughly ten million years later. Morante also recognized that the end of the Permian brought a reduction of global oceanic thermohaline circulation, though he did not specifically tie this to the hydrate methane release (Morante, 1993).


The continental margin methane proposal presented here and previously (Vermeij and Dorritie, 1996; Dorritie, 2002) incorporates some of the undisputed facts about the end-Permian world. It accepts that Siberian Traps volcanism had a powerful effect on Permian world climate. But rather than the Traps eruptions being the sole cause of the extinctions, it sees the Traps as having had an important role, though largely as a trigger for the release of hydrate methane and the free methane below. Traps eruptions facilitated this release in two ways: first, directly, by heating terrestrial permafrost and northern continental margin sediments. This direct heating would have been by lava flows, pyroclastic eruptions (superheated, ground-hugging, volcanic dust clouds), and ash falls, and would have led to the immediate release of methane from the affected areas. Traps volcanism would also have directly heated the seawater of the PaleoArctic Ocean (the northernmost part of Panthalassa; sometimes referred to as the Boreal Ocean), and that warmed water would have heated seafloor sediments and released methane from the continental margins across which it flowed. In addition, by injecting vast quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and thereby warming the planet and the ocean, Traps volcanism would have indirectly heated continental margin hydrate and released much of its methane.

 

[konradv]

Just a bit of logic here a second, and then chris and sockos can get back to pushing propaganda.

If it was drastically warming for the last 160 or so years as they claim... Wouldn't it stand to reason we would see more record heat every year or in the least a closer grouping of record heat? If it has really been warming so drastically for 160 years, would it seem likely we would still be breaking 116 year old heat records now? I would think a new record should be going on every year or at least every 5 or 10 years rather than 116 or 60...

Okay thats enough logic, carry on with the propaganda...LOL

Who said it was drastically warming? If it were, we wouldn't be having this discussion! Do YOU need to be reminded that the earth DOES have natural cycles?!?! That's why "tricks" of the statistical trade are needed to "hide the decline" from other sources and parse out the contribution of man.

 

[gslack]

Just a bit of logic here a second, and then chris and sockos can get back to pushing propaganda.

If it was drastically warming for the last 160 or so years as they claim... Wouldn't it stand to reason we would see more record heat every year or in the least a closer grouping of record heat? If it has really been warming so drastically for 160 years, would it seem likely we would still be breaking 116 year old heat records now? I would think a new record should be going on every year or at least every 5 or 10 years rather than 116 or 60...

Okay thats enough logic, carry on with the propaganda...LOL

Who said it was drastically warming? If it were, we wouldn't be having this discussion! Do YOU need to be reminded that the earth DOES have natural cycles?!?! That's why "tricks" of the statistical trade are needed to "hide the decline" from other sources and parse out the contribution of man.

Uh YOU. And oldsocks, chris, trollingblunder, et,etc.....

Al gore...

Come on pal stop being an idiot, you can't even maintain a simple concept your defending... Dam man you ever going to get tired of being the biggest idiot in the room?

 

[westwall]

Trap volcanics do not emit great clouds of ash and sulphates, as do caldera volcanoes. They do emit huge amounts of CO2. And, when extruding on a continental shelf, will cause the release of the CH4 in any clathrates in the vicinity.

Methane Catastrophe

But Morante understood the isotopic excursion to have been the possible result of "the release of potentially huge volumes of 13C-depleted methane stored in clathrates in tundra environments and polar continental shelves," which, together with increased carbon dioxide released from continental shelf sediments, would have created a greenhouse world. In addition, Morante found that the negative carbon isotope excursion took between 300,000 and 600,000 years, making for a much shorter extinction event than that contemplated by Erwin. (As noted previously, we now know that major hydrate methane releases actually take place in less than 10,000 years.) Basing his estimate of the length of time needed for post-extinction recovery on the carbon isotope record, Morante placed the emergence of the planet from its end-Permian trauma at about the latest Middle Triassic, roughly ten million years later. Morante also recognized that the end of the Permian brought a reduction of global oceanic thermohaline circulation, though he did not specifically tie this to the hydrate methane release (Morante, 1993).


The continental margin methane proposal presented here and previously (Vermeij and Dorritie, 1996; Dorritie, 2002) incorporates some of the undisputed facts about the end-Permian world. It accepts that Siberian Traps volcanism had a powerful effect on Permian world climate. But rather than the Traps eruptions being the sole cause of the extinctions, it sees the Traps as having had an important role, though largely as a trigger for the release of hydrate methane and the free methane below. Traps eruptions facilitated this release in two ways: first, directly, by heating terrestrial permafrost and northern continental margin sediments. This direct heating would have been by lava flows, pyroclastic eruptions (superheated, ground-hugging, volcanic dust clouds), and ash falls, and would have led to the immediate release of methane from the affected areas. Traps volcanism would also have directly heated the seawater of the PaleoArctic Ocean (the northernmost part of Panthalassa; sometimes referred to as the Boreal Ocean), and that warmed water would have heated seafloor sediments and released methane from the continental margins across which it flowed. In addition, by injecting vast quantities of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and thereby warming the planet and the ocean, Traps volcanism would have indirectly heated continental margin hydrate and released much of its methane.

Wrong again old fraud. Flood basalts do indeed emit all of the above, just look at the Kilauea eruption which is a comparatively minor shield volcanic eruption. Same chemical composition as a flood basalt eruption.

The Methane catastrophe is a cute bit of alarmism but there is no credible evidence to support that little fantasy piece.

 

[Chris]

Record high temperatures across Southeast Alaska in May

June 28, 2010
Monday
Ketchikan, Alaska - May brought above normal temperatures and below normal precipitation across most of Alaska, and record high temperatures were recorded across the Southeast. As an exception, temperatures were slightly below-normal above the Arctic Circle, although the area reported above normal precipitation for the month.

SitNews: Record high temperatures across Southeast Alaska in May

 

[Chris]

High temperatures break records in DC, Baltimore

Associated Press
06/28/10 8:30 AM EDT WASHINGTON — High temperatures have set records in Washington and Baltimore.

The thermometer at Reagan National Airport on Sunday reached 99 degrees, breaking the 98-degree mark for June 27 that had been in place for 30 years.

Baltimore also set a record with a temperature of 100 degrees, eclipsing a 58-year-old mark by one degree.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: High temperatures break records in DC, Baltimore | Washington Examiner

 

[gslack]

Oh my more records.... Chris, get a clue..... Current local temps are no indicator of overall climate as your side continued to remind us of over and again....

 

[Chris]

June stands to be a record-setting heat month
By DAVE McMILLION
June 28, 2010
[email protected]
HAGERSTOWN — With an average high temperature for the month of 76.2 degrees as of Monday, Hagerstown is positioned to record its hottest June ever, according to Hagerstown weather observer Greg Keefer.

Maryland: June stands to be a record-setting heat month

 

[elvis]

Oh my more records.... Chris, get a clue..... Current local temps are no indicator of overall climate as your side continued to remind us of over and again....

I can't believe he continues to bastardize Sean Connery.

 

[Dr.House]

June set to be the hottest on record

Durham--June could be busting out all over.

If the next few days stay as scorching as the last few have been--and alas that's the general forecast--this June will be the warmest on record in the Triangle area.

That's since records have been kept. Since 1850. Since 160 years.

The Herald-Sun - June set to be hottest on record

So you have 3 deaths attributed to the heat and the deaths are truly tragic. However, how do you compare that to 1.7 MILLION animals killed in Mongolia and the afor mentioned 500 PENGUINS of all things killed by the RECORD COLD?


Riddle me that batman.

There's a hole in the ozone larger than Antarctica that we created.

Apparently, according to your "scientists", that's not such a bad thing...

Shrinking ozone hole could speed global warming | MNN - Mother Nature Network

 

[gslack]

Oh my more records.... Chris, get a clue..... Current local temps are no indicator of overall climate as your side continued to remind us of over and again....

I can't believe he continues to bastardize Sean Connery.

Yeah... Connery has toenail clippings that are cooler than chris....

 

[JWBooth]

Three heat-related deaths were reported in Maryland this week, as 90-degree temperatures ruled in the Washington region, and a 100-degree reading on Thursday broke a record that had stood for 116 years.

washingtonpost.com

Friggin Orioles fans will look for any excuse to explain away another losing season.

 

[elvis]

Three heat-related deaths were reported in Maryland this week, as 90-degree temperatures ruled in the Washington region, and a 100-degree reading on Thursday broke a record that had stood for 116 years.

washingtonpost.com

Friggin Orioles fans will look for any excuse to explain away another losing season.

why not LHOswald?