More Obama Bullshit

[gallantwarrior]

"And yet, for much of the last century, we have been having the same argument with folks who keep peddling some version of trickle-down economics. They keep telling us that if we'd convert more of our investments in education and research and health care into tax cuts -- especially for the wealthy -- our economy will grow stronger. They keep telling us that if we'd just strip away more regulations, and let businesses pollute more and treat workers and consumers with impunity, that somehow we'd all be better off. We're told that when the wealthy become even wealthier, and corporations are allowed to maximize their profits by whatever means necessary, it's good for America, and that their success will automatically translate into more jobs and prosperity for everybody else. That's the theory.

"Now, the problem for advocates of this theory is that we've tried their approach -- on a massive scale. The results of their experiment are there for all to see. At the beginning of the last decade, the wealthiest Americans received a huge tax cut in 2001 and another huge tax cut in 2003. We were promised that these tax cuts would lead to faster job growth. They did not. The wealthy got wealthier -- we would expect that. The income of the top 1 percent has grown by more than 275 percent over the last few decades, to an average of $1.3 million a year. But prosperity sure didn't trickle down.

If lies were btu's Obama would have generated enough energy to fuel Pittsburgh.

Please refudiate (you betcha') the facts Obama has liad out here, with well, facts please...

I'm not seeing facts in what was said. I'm seeing an exercise in rhetoric, but no facts. So what would be the point of demanding someone refudiate bombastic bloviation as empty as the suit delivering the speech?

 

[Flopper]

Kinda like Babara BS (senator from CA) who says there are 50 milliion uninsured. That is the number they keep pushing.

Thanks for illustrating my point. The number comes from the US Census Bureau. "In 2010, the percentage of people without health insurance, 16.3 percent, was not statistically different from the rate in 2009. The number of uninsured people increased to 49.9 million in 2010 from 49.0 million in 2009."

Highlights: 2010 - U.S Census Bureau

Maybe someone should tell the White House.

FREEDOM EDEN: Obama: 30 Million Uninsured, 47 Million?

They are talking 30 million.

Of course, Barbar BS always couches in the context of "these poor 50 million souls" like they all want it....or deserve it.

More crap.

Or as you quoted Hitler about telling lies often enough........

Keep trying.

Your link illustrates how the Right edits what the president says to create their own version of the truth. The bottom line is that the 2010 census reports 49 million people without insurance, something the president and leaders in Congress have referred to many times.

 

[koshergrl]

Hmm, now who was president at the beginning of the last decade? Clinton? No. Obama? No. Lincoln? No. Hmm.
You claim, like Obama, that less EPA regulation will result in more pollution. Can you support that? No. Can he? No. Is it true? No.
It is interesting that the people disputing this themselves have to lie and rely on unsupported assertions.

Natural Gas Industry Must Tighten Up Methane Leaks -- And Save $2 Billion Per Year In The Process | ThinkProgress
^Natural gas companies could reduce methane emissions by 80% while saving a net of 2 billion dollars through increased efficiency, and saving society money through less ozone health costs and global warming

Power Companies: 'The Time Is Now' for Air Toxics Rule | ThinkProgress
^New EPA standards that reduce Mercury emissions by 91% and SO2 emissions by 55% will save 17,000 lives a year prevent 12,000 heart attacks and 120,000 asthma attacks each year and will provide 140 billion in health benefits. These new regulations and the Clean Air transport rule will create 1.4 million jobs over the next 5 years

04/14/2011: EPA Landmark Clean Air Act Settlement with TVA to Modernize Coal-Fired Power Plants and Promote Clean Energy Investments / State-of-the-art pollution controls and clean energy technology to provide up to $27 billion in annual health benef
^EPA settlement with the TVA will result in the TVA investing 5 billion to clean up their coal plants. Which will result in 2,000 less deaths a year, and save 20 billion yearly due to health benefits.

Good it took me 5 seconds to prove that everything you said is utter bullshit.

Think Progress and EPA propaganda never proved anything in the history of the world.

Moonbat.

 

[Listening]

Thanks for illustrating my point. The number comes from the US Census Bureau. "In 2010, the percentage of people without health insurance, 16.3 percent, was not statistically different from the rate in 2009. The number of uninsured people increased to 49.9 million in 2010 from 49.0 million in 2009."

Highlights: 2010 - U.S Census Bureau

Maybe someone should tell the White House.

FREEDOM EDEN: Obama: 30 Million Uninsured, 47 Million?

They are talking 30 million.

Of course, Barbar BS always couches in the context of "these poor 50 million souls" like they all want it....or deserve it.

More crap.

Or as you quoted Hitler about telling lies often enough........

Keep trying.

Your link illustrates how the Right edits what the president says to create their own version of the truth. The bottom line is that the 2010 census reports 49 million people without insurance, something the president and leaders in Congress have referred to many times.

And you do keep trying.

I think it was the WH that said 30 million after it said 47 million (which gets rounded up to 50 million).

Maybe the illegals in this country got through to him and he's back to 50 million.

Don't know.

But he was at 30 million at one point.

Obama: I used to say 47 million uninsured. Now, it's 30 million. | Washington Examiner

In his speech tonight, the president introduced a new number in the health care debate. Remember all those statements from Democrats, including Barack Obama himself, that 47 million Americans are without health insurance? That's no longer the operative number. "There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage," the president said in tonight's speech.

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That is apparently right from his speech.

And:

FactCheck.org : Thirty Million Uninsured

Says it could be 30 to 35 when looking at the same speech. It depends on who you include.

So Barbara BS's name sticks.

And it comes to you since you seem to be in support of her horsehockey.

 

[Flopper]

Maybe someone should tell the White House.

FREEDOM EDEN: Obama: 30 Million Uninsured, 47 Million?

They are talking 30 million.

Of course, Barbar BS always couches in the context of "these poor 50 million souls" like they all want it....or deserve it.

More crap.

Or as you quoted Hitler about telling lies often enough........

Keep trying.

Your link illustrates how the Right edits what the president says to create their own version of the truth. The bottom line is that the 2010 census reports 49 million people without insurance, something the president and leaders in Congress have referred to many times.

And you do keep trying.

I think it was the WH that said 30 million after it said 47 million (which gets rounded up to 50 million).

Maybe the illegals in this country got through to him and he's back to 50 million.

Don't know.

But he was at 30 million at one point.

Obama: I used to say 47 million uninsured. Now, it's 30 million. | Washington Examiner

In his speech tonight, the president introduced a new number in the health care debate. Remember all those statements from Democrats, including Barack Obama himself, that 47 million Americans are without health insurance? That's no longer the operative number. "There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage," the president said in tonight's speech.

**********************

That is apparently right from his speech.

And:

FactCheck.org : Thirty Million Uninsured

Says it could be 30 to 35 when looking at the same speech. It depends on who you include.

So Barbara BS's name sticks.

And it comes to you since you seem to be in support of her horsehockey.

I don't see where he said 30 million, but for the purpose of argument, assume he did say 30 million can't get insurance. That is not inconsistent with the statement that 47 million, actually it's 49 million, don't have insurance. The difference is 17 million who don't carry insurance, not because they are so wealthy they have no need for it, but rather the cost coupled with preexisting condition requirements put it out of their financial reach. There is no inconsistency between the two statements.

 

[The Rabbi]

Your link illustrates how the Right edits what the president says to create their own version of the truth. The bottom line is that the 2010 census reports 49 million people without insurance, something the president and leaders in Congress have referred to many times.

And you do keep trying.

I think it was the WH that said 30 million after it said 47 million (which gets rounded up to 50 million).

Maybe the illegals in this country got through to him and he's back to 50 million.

Don't know.

But he was at 30 million at one point.

Obama: I used to say 47 million uninsured. Now, it's 30 million. | Washington Examiner

In his speech tonight, the president introduced a new number in the health care debate. Remember all those statements from Democrats, including Barack Obama himself, that 47 million Americans are without health insurance? That's no longer the operative number. "There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage," the president said in tonight's speech.

**********************

That is apparently right from his speech.

And:

FactCheck.org : Thirty Million Uninsured

Says it could be 30 to 35 when looking at the same speech. It depends on who you include.

So Barbara BS's name sticks.

And it comes to you since you seem to be in support of her horsehockey.

I don't see where he said 30 million, but for the purpose of argument, assume he did say 30 million can't get insurance. That is not inconsistent with the statement that 47 million, actually it's 49 million, don't have insurance. The difference is 17 million who don't carry insurance, not because they are so wealthy they have no need for it, but rather the cost coupled with preexisting condition requirements put it out of their financial reach. There is no inconsistency between the two statements.

Ehh, 30M, 40M, 50M. What's the difference? It's all a number.
In fact the administration and Democrats have demagogued the issue (surprise).
Good reading here:
Who are the Uninsured? An Analysis of America

The truth is the number of people who want insurance but cannot afford it nor get on any gov't program is a lot smaller than any of those numbers. It was merely an excuse to push Obamacare. As a result, those few people might have insurnace they wouldn't have gotten otehrwise, but at the expense of everyone else.

 

[Listening]

I don't see where he said 30 million,

Then you aren't reading close enough. Both links reference his 9/9/10 televised speech.

but for the purpose of argument, assume he did say 30 million can't get insurance.

That is a trumped up statement. You'll find these kinds of statements all over the place:

Of the supposed 46 million without healthcare:
- 10 million are illegal immigrants who have no right to US health insurance.
- 9 million have incomes over $75K a year and CHOOSE NOT TO have it or who don't have it for 6 months or less.
-12 million are eligible for Medicaid and State Children's Health Insurance program but didn't sign up.

And the there another 6 million or so who make more than 50 K a year who don't have it.

Not to mention the 10 million illegals is a low estimate.

That is not inconsistent with the statement that 47 million, actually it's 49 million, don't have insurance.

Sure. Why not.

If this is Barbara BS's approach, why not take all of underinsured India into account ? After all they don't have good insurance. And if we owe illegals insurance, we owe all of India insurance too. You just lost 10 to 20 million of your 46....so already she's spewing Horsehockey.

The difference is 17 million who don't carry insurance, not because they are so wealthy they have no need for it, but rather the cost coupled with preexisting condition requirements put it out of their financial reach. There is no inconsistency between the two statements.

Good Grief. Did you just admit there are 17 million who can't get it ?

How that relates to the rest of your math, only a liberal would know. Where I come from 2 and 2 equal 4. I'm not so sure about you.

 

[Listening]

And you do keep trying.

I think it was the WH that said 30 million after it said 47 million (which gets rounded up to 50 million).

Maybe the illegals in this country got through to him and he's back to 50 million.

Don't know.

But he was at 30 million at one point.

Obama: I used to say 47 million uninsured. Now, it's 30 million. | Washington Examiner

In his speech tonight, the president introduced a new number in the health care debate. Remember all those statements from Democrats, including Barack Obama himself, that 47 million Americans are without health insurance? That's no longer the operative number. "There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage," the president said in tonight's speech.

**********************

That is apparently right from his speech.

And:

FactCheck.org : Thirty Million Uninsured

Says it could be 30 to 35 when looking at the same speech. It depends on who you include.

So Barbara BS's name sticks.

And it comes to you since you seem to be in support of her horsehockey.

I don't see where he said 30 million, but for the purpose of argument, assume he did say 30 million can't get insurance. That is not inconsistent with the statement that 47 million, actually it's 49 million, don't have insurance. The difference is 17 million who don't carry insurance, not because they are so wealthy they have no need for it, but rather the cost coupled with preexisting condition requirements put it out of their financial reach. There is no inconsistency between the two statements.

Ehh, 30M, 40M, 50M. What's the difference? It's all a number.
In fact the administration and Democrats have demagogued the issue (surprise).
Good reading here:
Who are the Uninsured? An Analysis of America

The truth is the number of people who want insurance but cannot afford it nor get on any gov't program is a lot smaller than any of those numbers. It was merely an excuse to push Obamacare. As a result, those few people might have insurnace they wouldn't have gotten otehrwise, but at the expense of everyone else.

Which is my point.

Floppy posts a quote by Hitler that is all to true about keep telling a lie...until.....

Like:

The U.S.'s medical system is the 37th best in the world (WHO mule muffins).

45,000 people die each year (prematurely) due to lack of health care (can't produce one freaking name......Harvard owl diarhea).

The U.S. has 47 million people who are not insured (who are impled to want it and can't get it). Even our MOTUS admitted it wasn't that number.

But the left keeps saying and I hear them quote it all the time on Ed Shmutz's show (and others). I've even heard it from Fox for crying out loud.

 

[Papageorgio]

He did not make the claim about Bush in your quote. Did he make this claim somewhere else or are you lying?
He did not claim companies were allowed to pollute more in your quote, he claims the GOP wants less environmental regulation (which would result in that). Do you dispute that the GOP wants fewer EPA regulations? So unless he said "They wanted companies to pollute more" somewhere else in his speech, you're lying there too.

Ironic that the poster who calls Obama a liar, lies so much in order to support his claim.

As Adoph Hitler said, "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed". The Right certainly follows this advice by taking anything Obama says and filling in the blanks creating a lie, then repeating it over and over.

I think the hard right wing is frustrated that Romney is going to be their nominee. You note there are almost no pro-Romney posts here. There are few pro-Obama posts but at least there are some. Obama may win 35 states in the upcoming election if this keeps up.

Obama thinks he will win all 57 states.

 

[IndependntLogic]

There was no lie in my post. Obama clearly implied that companies would pollute more with fewer regulations. Did you not see that in the passage I quoted? Are you too stupid to understand that? Why do you change the subject from your earlier objection about Bush?

Well let's talk about really stupid liars then, shall we?
So you now flip-flop, spin but cant help but admit Obama never said:
companies pollute more
or
Companies treated employees with impunity

Yet you posted:
"He claims that under Bush and prior employers were allowed to treat workers with impunity. That is not so. He claims companies were allowed to pollute more."

You fail.

Actually he said some people want to see the following agenda where companies....and then he said "And we've seen the results of that agenda in the last decade."
Is that not what he is saying? Of course it is. He is a damned liar and you are a damned fool.

Just keep spinning and changing! Hey! You could write for Mitt-Flop! Are you a politician? mon, since you're already owned on this you can tell....

 

[Too Tall]

People DIED because of it.

WORKERS

Who was President on April 5, 2010?

Two Years After Mine Disaster, Coal Lobby Is Still Growing
By Russ Choma on April 5, 2012 4:40 PM

Two years ago today, the Upper Big Branch mine exploded, killing 29 miners and injuring two others. In the months after the tragedy, it became clear that the mine's owner, Massey Energy, had flouted safety requirements and tried to game the system. Led by CEO Don Blankenship, the company unapologetically pursued politicians at both the state and federal levels, dumping cash into campaigns and lobbying hard for less oversight.

Investigations into the disaster found that the company had successfully skirted orders to improve the safety of the mine, despite fines and warnings from regulators. In 2010, Blankenship resigned, and a few months later the company was sold to Alpha Natural Resources.

Two Years After Mine Disaster, Coal Lobby Is Still Growing - OpenSecrets Blog | OpenSecrets

 

[The Rabbi]

Well let's talk about really stupid liars then, shall we?
So you now flip-flop, spin but cant help but admit Obama never said:
companies pollute more
or
Companies treated employees with impunity

Yet you posted:
"He claims that under Bush and prior employers were allowed to treat workers with impunity. That is not so. He claims companies were allowed to pollute more."

You fail.

Actually he said some people want to see the following agenda where companies....and then he said "And we've seen the results of that agenda in the last decade."
Is that not what he is saying? Of course it is. He is a damned liar and you are a damned fool.

Just keep spinning and changing! Hey! You could write for Mitt-Flop! Are you a politician? mon, since you're already owned on this you can tell....

Translation: Yeah he really did say that so I need to deflect.
Good work. The borg is proud of you.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Actually he said some people want to see the following agenda where companies....and then he said "And we've seen the results of that agenda in the last decade."
Is that not what he is saying? Of course it is. He is a damned liar and you are a damned fool.

Just keep spinning and changing! Hey! You could write for Mitt-Flop! Are you a politician? mon, since you're already owned on this you can tell....

Translation: Yeah he really did say that so I need to deflect.
Good work. The borg is proud of you.

He really did say "Companies abuse their employees with impunity"?
and "They pollute more."
No. He didn't. You lied. Well okay let's cut you a break. You interpreted. But you simply cannot back up your statement that he said the things you said he did.
So I'm done with the petty bickering here. if you can prove he said "Companies abuse their employees with impunity", I'm all ears and will respond. If not, no big deal. You used a little hyperbole and creative license. Not like that's unsusual here.

 

[Listening]

"And yet, for much of the last century, we have been having the same argument with folks who keep peddling some version of trickle-down economics. They keep telling us that if we'd convert more of our investments in education and research and health care into tax cuts -- especially for the wealthy -- our economy will grow stronger. They keep telling us that if we'd just strip away more regulations, and let businesses pollute more and treat workers and consumers with impunity, that somehow we'd all be better off. We're told that when the wealthy become even wealthier, and corporations are allowed to maximize their profits by whatever means necessary, it's good for America, and that their success will automatically translate into more jobs and prosperity for everybody else. That's the theory.

"Now, the problem for advocates of this theory is that we've tried their approach -- on a massive scale. The results of their experiment are there for all to see. At the beginning of the last decade, the wealthiest Americans received a huge tax cut in 2001 and another huge tax cut in 2003. We were promised that these tax cuts would lead to faster job growth. They did not. The wealthy got wealthier -- we would expect that. The income of the top 1 percent has grown by more than 275 percent over the last few decades, to an average of $1.3 million a year. But prosperity sure didn't trickle down.

If lies were btu's Obama would have generated enough energy to fuel Pittsburgh.

Isn't it amazing. He kept those same tax breaks...and now cries out against them ?

But prosperity sure didn't trickle down ?

How is that measured ?

 

[Katzndogz]

obama's going to close down all the coal mines so what does it matter now.

Coal miners will be so happy to be unemployed they will vote for him in droves.

 

[Listening]

obama's going to close down all the coal mines so what does it matter now.

Coal miners will be so happy to be unemployed they will vote for him in droves.

And we will all be reading by candlelight as green energy won't be around or will be to expensive.

 

[Caroljo]

obama's going to close down all the coal mines so what does it matter now.

Coal miners will be so happy to be unemployed they will vote for him in droves.

We've been through W Virginia a couple times since Christmas...we passed a Coal mine community, i wish i could remember the name! But they had 2 or 3 big roadside signs with Obama's picture on it stating "OBAMA NO JOB ZONE". It was such a poor looking area...you don't see big retail businesses, the homes are pretty plain and many run down. It was pretty sobering......

 

[The Rabbi]

Just keep spinning and changing! Hey! You could write for Mitt-Flop! Are you a politician? mon, since you're already owned on this you can tell....

Translation: Yeah he really did say that so I need to deflect.
Good work. The borg is proud of you.

He really did say "Companies abuse their employees with impunity"?
and "They pollute more."
No. He didn't. You lied. Well okay let's cut you a break. You interpreted. But you simply cannot back up your statement that he said the things you said he did.
So I'm done with the petty bickering here. if you can prove he said "Companies abuse their employees with impunity", I'm all ears and will respond. If not, no big deal. You used a little hyperbole and creative license. Not like that's unsusual here.

No, he really did say, Some people want to see companies pollute more and treat their employees with impunity. We've seen the results of those policies in the last decade.
That implies it actually was the desired policy goals of some people, presumably the GOP, and it actually happened.
Or do you think there was total disconnect in his speech?

 

[Papageorgio]

I don't see where he said 30 million, but for the purpose of argument, assume he did say 30 million can't get insurance. That is not inconsistent with the statement that 47 million, actually it's 49 million, don't have insurance. The difference is 17 million who don't carry insurance, not because they are so wealthy they have no need for it, but rather the cost coupled with preexisting condition requirements put it out of their financial reach. There is no inconsistency between the two statements.

Ehh, 30M, 40M, 50M. What's the difference? It's all a number.
In fact the administration and Democrats have demagogued the issue (surprise).
Good reading here:
Who are the Uninsured? An Analysis of America

The truth is the number of people who want insurance but cannot afford it nor get on any gov't program is a lot smaller than any of those numbers. It was merely an excuse to push Obamacare. As a result, those few people might have insurnace they wouldn't have gotten otehrwise, but at the expense of everyone else.

Which is my point.

Floppy posts a quote by Hitler that is all to true about keep telling a lie...until.....

Like:

The U.S.'s medical system is the 37th best in the world (WHO mule muffins).

45,000 people die each year (prematurely) due to lack of health care (can't produce one freaking name......Harvard owl diarhea).

The U.S. has 47 million people who are not insured (who are impled to want it and can't get it). Even our MOTUS admitted it wasn't that number.

But the left keeps saying and I hear them quote it all the time on Ed Shmutz's show (and others). I've even heard it from Fox for crying out loud.

I have heard from liberals how much better Cuba's healthcare is, is there any liberals that have gone or going to go to Cuba for any life saving surgery

 

[uscitizen]

Yepper Bush III is no winner.

And yet he seems to be the best we can find?

Or does the problem go much deeper than which party controls the White house?