More jobs at lower wage OR fewer jobs at higher wage?

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    Wouldja rather have more jobs at a lower wage or fewer jobs at a higher wage? What do you think is better for the country? Not looking at starting another argument over RTW, we already got a few threads going on that. Also not looking for another bitchfest over incomes of the top 1%.

    Me, I'd rather have more people working with some hope of advancement. Hard to advance if you ain't got a job in the first place. It may not be a 'living wage', but building a good employment record is an opportunity that as many as possible should have IMHO.
     
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    Technology is eliminating middle-class jobs...
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    Recession, tech kill middle-class jobs
    Jan 23,`13 -- Five years after the start of the Great Recession, the toll is terrifyingly clear: Millions of middle-class jobs have been lost in developed countries the world over. And the situation is even worse than it appears.
     
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    If you have a family to support, a mortgage to pay and now, mandatory heath care to pay for how are you going to get by on a job that pays little more than minimum wage? Working two jobs that pay $10 an hour only makes a below average annual income and costs twice as much in fuel. It also requires that you are away from your family 18 hours a day (including travel), get less than six hours of sleep and never see your kids. In addition to that people don't keep those jobs for long because the working conditions are too often sub-standard.
    More low paying jobs is not an alternative. we need people who are willing to start their own businesses and hire people to work for living wages with real benifits. We need more jobs that pay well and more businesses to provide them.
     
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    but you need demand to fuel those businesses. demand doesn't exist absent a stable middle class.

    US Businesses have been sitting on 2 trillion dollars that they aren't spending. Hopefully now that they no longer are trying to manipulate the election to benefit corporate interests, they'll use the money to hire and for other business expansion purposes.

    PolitiFact | Obama says companies have nearly $2 trillion sitting on their balance sheets
     
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    Why do these discussions always have progressives using Marxists class system? There are two classes.....Those working and those not...Period.
     
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    Small businesses emplow the vast majority of people in this country. Corporations come a trailing third place in the numbers of people employed. Do the research, find a niche or better yet make a new one. Come up with something people want to buy, use it up and buy it again - that is the secret to success.
     
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    Hey how do people buy these things when no one has a job?
     
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    Somewhere along the way, we reverted back to the type of thinking that was prevalent in the roaring 20's. While the 20's was roaring for some, many were poor, income inequality was massive, and of course it led to the the stock market crash and the Great Depression. So when did we have our longest stretch of long term growth? From the 40's through the 70's, at a time when unions were thriving, the middle class was expanding dramatically, and the wealthy were being taxed at much higher rates. The rich were still rich, but they weren't sucking the life out of the economy as they are today, or as they did in the 20's.

    If we are to see a return to great prosperity for everyone, it will have to start from the bottom once again. Trickle down is a joke. All it does is put the vast majority of wealth in the hands of the few and leave everyone else waiting for the crumbs to fall off the table.
     
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    Ideally we have jobs that pay a range of salaries so the teens can get summer jobs that call for unskilled labor and more experienced people can find something they are trained to do.

    It's not that way anymore and with the raises in minimum wages, government must believe people are staying at the same job flipping burgers their entire lives. I'm always amazed when a liberal insists that ALL jobs should support a typical family. A person used to have the opportunity to advance or find a better job when they completed their education or gained experience. I've always thought of minimum wage jobs as being entry level ones for those first entering the job market. And if a person doesn't have what it takes to keep moving up, they need to look at themselves and ask why.

    I'm sure fewer are moving up that ladder of success these days. So many small businesses have gone under so any hopes of moving from sales clerk to manager died along with them. And more will go away because of Obamacare.

    And so many people aren't educated, so there is no way they'll move up in companies, if they can get hired to begin with. More and more good jobs require a college degree, or at the very least, a high school diploma.

    We have several companies around here and they offer labor jobs at decent starting wages. People around town have been with the companies for years and they are living in real nice homes and drive nice cars, so clearly they got raises each year. Their jobs got easier as they moved up to less laborious jobs as the new comers came in to take their place. The companies require applicants to be tested for drugs before getting hired and I believe there is also random testing done after a person gets hired. That is another roadblock for many people.

    Some people have few options going in because of their lack of education or inability to pass a drug test, so they go into fast food places or labor jobs at factories or farms and then whine about minimum wage. And even minimum wage jobs aren't easy to get these days because there are so many desperate people who lost their jobs and are now competition for any job that comes open.

    Most small businesses had room for advancement and often would expand, so it opened up more opportunities for employees. I knew one guy who first started as a stock boy, worked his way up to assistant manager and when the owner opened a new store, the guy become manager and made damn good money. Even a McDonald's manager makes a decent living, but you have to be a hard worker, trustworthy and have the skills to take another step up the ladder.

    We have so many closed businesses downtown, some that had been here for years. And now so many are either laying off employees or cutting their hours. It's bad news for the workers, but it's the only way the businesses can stay open. I guess a part time job is better than no job.

    Many service industry jobs disappeared right after the Obama administration's criticism of wealthy execs holding functions each year and accused them of spending TARP money. Even though they had planned and paid for the events before getting the money, that didn't stop ignorant people from vilifying them for holding those events. Many other companies, who didn't take any TARP money, were canceling yearly events for employees and clients because they feared public backlash just for having money to spend. A lot of resorts, restaurants and hotels laid off workers during the big AIG bashfest.

    The only people I know of who went about spending like fools and enjoying themselves on lavish vacations the last 4 years are the Obamas.

    More jobs at lower wages would be good right now just to get some people off welfare. And if Obama would consider how his policies affect businesses and the economy and repeal Obamacare and stop the cap and trade bullshit, more small businesses would find the confidence to hire people back and maybe even expand.

    The government has also imposed a limit on the number of small business loans a bank can make. Why the hell are they trying to stop people from going into business in the first place?

    When you see the middle class and small businesses slowly going away, you can thank the current administration for it's job killing policies and general hostile attitude toward the private sector.
     
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    Right off the bat, your premise that we have had big increases in the minimum wage are off to begin with. Had it not been for the recent raises in the minimum wage over the past few years, the minimum wage would be the lowest it has ever been. In 2006, the minimum wage hit rock bottom as it's buying power was at it's lowest since inception. The value of the minimum wage in 2006 was more than $3 less than it was in 1968. While it has come up some due to the increases over the past few years, it is still over $2 less than it was in 1968 as far as purchasing power goes.
     

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