More ice loss from Greenland

[Old Rocks]

Chunk of Greenland glacier breaks up overnight

WASHINGTON - A seven square kilometre section of a Greenland’s Jakobshavn Isbrae glacier broke up July 6 and 7.


The chunk of lost ice is roughly one-eighth the size of Manhattan Island, New York.

The calving front - where the ice sheet meets the ocean - retreated nearly 1.5 km in one day and is now further inland than at any time previously observed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Um, er, hmm, lemme guess, it was the latest victim of the Sensitive CO2 Glacier Eating Spaghetti Monster, amiright?

 

[elvis]

Oh no. Does Uncle Al know?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The fun is going to be when the melting ice exposes long lost cities

 

[Quantum Windbag]

great news, more farmland to grow crops.

 

[skookerasbil]

Chunk of Greenland glacier breaks up overnight

WASHINGTON - A seven square kilometre section of a Greenland’s Jakobshavn Isbrae glacier broke up July 6 and 7.


The chunk of lost ice is roughly one-eighth the size of Manhattan Island, New York.

The calving front - where the ice sheet meets the ocean - retreated nearly 1.5 km in one day and is now further inland than at any time previously observed.

Happens all the time s0n..............been happening for millions of years. Will be happening for millions of years to come.


Its summer time in the Norhtern Hemisphere you fcukking dummy!!!

 

[konradv]

great news, more farmland to grow crops.

How so? If there were enough melting to create farmland in Greenland, it would be more than offset by losses when Middle America returns to being an inland sea.

 

[westwall]

great news, more farmland to grow crops.

How so? If there were enough melting to create farmland in Greenland, it would be more than offset by losses when Middle America returns to being an inland sea.

You need to read some history there konrad. The last time Greenland was arable there was no effect in Middle America. In fact there was no effect anywhere on the planet. You know basing your beliefs on movies like 2012 (what an amazing piece of crap that was!) is going rot your brain!

 

[konradv]

great news, more farmland to grow crops.

How so? If there were enough melting to create farmland in Greenland, it would be more than offset by losses when Middle America returns to being an inland sea.

You need to read some history there konrad. The last time Greenland was arable there was no effect in Middle America. In fact there was no effect anywhere on the planet. You know basing your beliefs on movies like 2012 (what an amazing piece of crap that was!) is going rot your brain!

You have absolutely no believable info on when Greenland was arable. There were no humans at the time! The short time the Vikings clung to the coast isn't my idea of an arable land.

 

[westwall]

How so? If there were enough melting to create farmland in Greenland, it would be more than offset by losses when Middle America returns to being an inland sea.

You need to read some history there konrad. The last time Greenland was arable there was no effect in Middle America. In fact there was no effect anywhere on the planet. You know basing your beliefs on movies like 2012 (what an amazing piece of crap that was!) is going rot your brain!

You have absolutely no believable info on when Greenland was arable. There were no humans at the time! The short time the Vikings clung to the coast isn't my idea of an arable land.

And given the absolute worst case scenario presented by the AGW cultists it will be a further 16,000 years before the Greenland Ice sheet melts. Or are you not able to do simple math to figure that out on your own?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

great news, more farmland to grow crops.

How so? If there were enough melting to create farmland in Greenland, it would be more than offset by losses when Middle America returns to being an inland sea.

I want to say one word to you. Just one word.

Are you listening?

Dikes.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

How so? If there were enough melting to create farmland in Greenland, it would be more than offset by losses when Middle America returns to being an inland sea.

You need to read some history there konrad. The last time Greenland was arable there was no effect in Middle America. In fact there was no effect anywhere on the planet. You know basing your beliefs on movies like 2012 (what an amazing piece of crap that was!) is going rot your brain!

You have absolutely no believable info on when Greenland was arable. There were no humans at the time! The short time the Vikings clung to the coast isn't my idea of an arable land.

Where the fuck do you got its name? From the vast fields of snow that the Vikings found when they got there?

 

[westwall]

You need to read some history there konrad. The last time Greenland was arable there was no effect in Middle America. In fact there was no effect anywhere on the planet. You know basing your beliefs on movies like 2012 (what an amazing piece of crap that was!) is going rot your brain!

You have absolutely no believable info on when Greenland was arable. There were no humans at the time! The short time the Vikings clung to the coast isn't my idea of an arable land.

Where the fuck do you got its name? From the vast fields of snow that the Vikings found when they got there?

Oh don't try to educate konrad. Facts hurt his head.

 

[Old Rocks]

You need to read some history there konrad. The last time Greenland was arable there was no effect in Middle America. In fact there was no effect anywhere on the planet. You know basing your beliefs on movies like 2012 (what an amazing piece of crap that was!) is going rot your brain!

You have absolutely no believable info on when Greenland was arable. There were no humans at the time! The short time the Vikings clung to the coast isn't my idea of an arable land.

Where the fuck do you got its name? From the vast fields of snow that the Vikings found when they got there?

From the marketing skill of Eric the Red.

Vikings During the Medieval Warm Period - Influence of Dramatic Climate Shifts on European Civilizations: The Rise and Fall of the Vikings and the Little Ice Age

In 960, Thorvald Asvaldsson of Jaederen in Norway killed a man. He was forced to leave the country so he moved to northern Iceland. He had a ten year old son named Eric, later to be called Eric Röde, or Eric the Red. Eric too had a violent streak and in 982 he killed two men. Eric the Red was banished from Iceland for three years so he sailed west to find a land that Icelanders had discovered years before but knew little about. Eric searched the coast of this land and found the most hospitable area, a deep fiord on the southwestern coast. Warmer Atlantic currents met the island there and conditions were not much different than those in Iceland (trees and grasses.) He called this new land "Greenland" because he "believed more people would go thither if the country had a beautiful name," according to one of the Icelandic chronicles (Hermann, 1954) although Greenland, as a whole, could not be considered "green." Additionally, the land was not very good for farming. Nevertheless, Eric was able to draw thousands to the three areas shown in Fig. 15.



Figure 15: Ancient Norse settlements. (Source: Bryson, 1977)
The Greenland Vikings lived mostly on dairy produce and meat, primarily from cows. The vegetable diet of Greenlanders included berries, edible grasses, and seaweed, but these were inadequate even during the best harvests. During the MWP, Greenland's climate was so cold that cattle breeding and dairy farming could only be carried on in the sheltered fiords. The growing season in Greenland even then was very short. Frost typically occurred in August and the fiords froze in October. Before the year 1300, ships regularly sailed from Norway and other European countries to Greenland bringing with them timber, iron, corn, salt, and other needed items. Trade was by barter. Greenlanders offered butter, cheese, wool, and their frieze cloths, which were greatly sough after in Europe, as well as white and blue fox furs, polar bear skins, walrus and narwhal tusks, and walrus skins. In fact, two Greenland items in particular were prized by Europeans: white bears and the white falcon. These items were given as royal gifts. For instance, the King of Norway-Denmark sent a number of Greenland falcons as a gift to the King of Portugal, and received in return the gift of a cargo of wine (Stefansson, 1966.) Because of the shortage of adequate vegetables and cereal grains, and a shortage of timber to make ships, the trade link to Iceland and Europe was vital (Hermann, 1954.)

 

[Old Rocks]

The fun is going to be when the melting ice exposes long lost cities

Built by whom? The men from your hollow moon?

 

[Old Rocks]

great news, more farmland to grow crops.

How so? If there were enough melting to create farmland in Greenland, it would be more than offset by losses when Middle America returns to being an inland sea.

You need to read some history there konrad. The last time Greenland was arable there was no effect in Middle America. In fact there was no effect anywhere on the planet. You know basing your beliefs on movies like 2012 (what an amazing piece of crap that was!) is going rot your brain!

At no time in human history was Greenland ever to be considered arable. Even at the best of times, the Greenland colonies could not survive without imports from Europe. When the ice returned to the sea lanes, the colonies died.

 

[Old Rocks]

Very interesting article, and good graphs. Note that Mann actually has the MWP warmer than most others.

The Greenland cores reflect the warmer period during the MWP, but the period was not nearly as warm as it is today. The southern Hemisphere records show a more rapid and higher warming about three hundred years prior to the MWP.

Determining the Climate Record - Influence of Dramatic Climate Shifts on European Civilizations: The Rise and Fall of the Vikings and the Little Ice Age

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The fun is going to be when the melting ice exposes long lost cities

Built by whom? The men from your hollow moon?

You think history started with Mann tree rings. If Greenland melts, and that a mighty big if, the evidence will be so obvious not even you could assume it away

 

[Old Rocks]

No, the geologic history of this planet started about 4 1/2 years ago. The history of mankind began with the advent of the Homo Sapiens species about 200,000 years ago. And your cities under the ice of Greenland are fantasies that have a history only in diseased minds.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, the geologic history of this planet started about 4 1/2 years ago. The history of mankind began with the advent of the Homo Sapiens species about 200,000 years ago. And your cities under the ice of Greenland are fantasies that have a history only in diseased minds.

Right. Because that's the Roman Catholic Church timeline.