More 'good' news on fracking

[Two Thumbs]

47% of Pa residents surveyed say the risk of fracking is unacceptable. They must not have ChemE degrees, huh? They just drink the tainted water. Duh.

Link please.

I live here, and through conversations with my freinds and neighbors that's number isn't close.

Pa. residents worried about fracking, poll shows : Carbon County Groundwater Guardians

JOHNSTOWN — A majority of the Pennsylvania residents surveyed in a recent poll are concerned about potential harm to drinking water as a result of the fracturing process used in drilling for Marcellus Shale natural gas.

Of the 403 adults surveyed in the late November poll by Infogroup/Opinion Research Corp., 81 percent said they are somewhat or very concerned about fracking’s potential to contaminate water.

Three of five state residents questioned in the poll are aware of the controversy over the gas-drilling technique.

The poll, conducted on behalf of the Civil Society Institute, showed that 62 percent of those concerned think state and federal agencies are not doing as much as they should to require proper disclosure of the chemicals used in the process.

The institute, based in Newton, Mass., describes itself as a nonprofit and nonpartisan think tank. Its goal is to serve as a catalyst for change by creating problem-solving interactions among people and between communities, government and businesses that can help to improve society.

The Marcellus Shale Coalition, an industry-based group supported by gas drillers and businesses that benefit from the industry, described the survey as a “push poll.” The term is used to describe a technique often used in political campaigns to influence or alter the view of respondents under the guise of conducting a poll

Thanks for proving that fracking is safe.

also in the link;

Klaber said the institute purposely omitted critical facts about shale development, including information that fracturing is a 60-year-old technology used more than 1.1 million times.

Fracturing has never impacted ground water, something Klaber said can be confirmed by state and federal environmental agencies and the Groundwater Protection Council.

You also proved that most of the people polled didn't know the facts;

Three of five state residents questioned in the poll are aware of the controversy over the gas-drilling technique.





So, once again, fracking is safe. all they need to do is work on how to dispose of the waste water.

One mistake in 60 years is a great record. Hell, not even nuclear has such a clean record.

 

[martybegan]

Of course it's all implied. I drove through upstate new york, and there were competing lawn signs. The anti fracking ones were full of doom and gloom, making appear the only choice was either ban fracking, or have your water polluted, no middle ground.

I'd call that oversimplifying and exxagerating, which is the crux of ZOMG YOUZ IS GONNA DIES!

You made the unsubstantiated claim. And then further go on to blame it on others.

That's what he lerned in skwel.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Pennsylvania Allows Waste From Fracking To Be Dumped Into Rivers | Water Contamination From Fracking (Hydraulic Fracturing)

Pennsylvania Gas Companies Dispose Waste into Rivers
New, Pennsylvania


The current natural gas boom in the U.S is producing two things: enough natural gas to power the U.S. for more than a decade, and enough toxic wastewater to threaten public health forever.

The Associated Press reports that most states require natural gas drilling companies to bore at least two miles underground to dispose wastewater, making it difficult for drinking water to become contaminated. Pennsylvania, one of the states that sit on top of the Marcellus Shale, a large underground rock formation where trillions of cubic feet of natural gas is located, is the only state that allows natural gas companies to dispose wastewater into rivers and streams. Pouring waste into rivers could lead to toxic drinking water

Another link that makes claims that fracking is bad, but then has no proof.

"Researchers are testing Pennsylvania’s river discharges to determine if the water is hazardous to humans, wildlife and the environment."

Again.

 

[manifold]

Officer Two Thumb's repeated contributions to the fracking discussion:

 

[Two Thumbs]

Yawn.

Does it hurt to know that I know more than you?

You search and search, have started 2 threads trying to slam me and have failed in both b/c you have no facts or proof.

All you found is one spill in 60 years of fracking.

I suggest you learn to chop wood chicken little.

 

[manifold]

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Don't need to.

You prove it every time.

 

[manifold]

Keep telling yourself that too.

And while you're at it, remind yourself that you're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you.

 

[Mr. H.]

If you take a look at the "Pennsylvania Oil and Gas Act" you'll notice there are no specific provisions related to fracking fluid containment and handling other than when it comes to bulk transportation.

You all should seriously consider reading through the Act. Here's the link:

Oil & Gas Act - 223

Two sections do address fresh water protection:

Protection of Fresh Groundwater: Casing Requirements.
Protection of Water Supplies

The lack of specific provisions re: handling/storage of fracking fluids has not been lost on the Bureau of Oil and Gas Management, PA Dep't of Environmental Protection. These folks aren't dummies. The issues are being addressed and will be rectified.

No, fracking is not a new process. But - the pace at which it is being employed is unrpresidented and has obviously caught the regulatory agencies off guard.
Give it time and the Act will be amended. It takes just that- time.

 

[Two Thumbs]

If you take a look at the "Pennsylvania Oil and Gas Act" you'll notice there are no specific provisions related to fracking fluid containment and handling other than when it comes to bulk transportation.

You all should seriously consider reading through the Act. Here's the link:

Oil & Gas Act - 223

Two sections do address fresh water protection:

Protection of Fresh Groundwater: Casing Requirements.
Protection of Water Supplies

The lack of specific provisions re: handling/storage of fracking fluids has not been lost on the Bureau of Oil and Gas Management, PA Dep't of Environmental Protection. These folks aren't dummies. The issues are being addressed and will be rectified.

No, fracking is not a new process. But - the pace at which it is being employed is unrpresidented and has obviously caught the regulatory agencies off guard.
Give it time and the Act will be amended. It takes just that- time.

Title of Act:
An Act relating to the development of oil and gas and coal; imposing duties and powers on the Department of Environmental Resources; imposing notification requirements to protect landowners; and providing for definitions, for various requirements to regulate the drilling and operation of oil and gas wells, for gas storage reservoirs, for various reporting requirements, including certain requirements concerning the operation of coal mines, for well permits, for well registration, for distance requirements, for well casing requirements, for safety device requirements, for storage reservoir obligations, for well bonding requirements, for a Well Plugging Restricted Revenue Account to enforce oil and gas well plugging requirements, for the creation of an Oil and Gas Technical Advisory Board, for oil and gas well inspections, for enforcement and for penalties. 1984, Dec. 19, P.L. 1140, No. 223.

Back to TOC

Sec. 601.102. Declaration of purpose

The purposes of this act are to:

(1) Permit the optimal development of the oil and gas resources of Pennsylvania consistent with the protection of the health, safety, environment and property of the citizens of the Commonwealth.
(2) Protect the safety of personnel and facilities employed in the exploration, development, storage and production of natural gas or oil or the mining of coal.
(3) Protect the safety and property rights of persons residing in areas where such exploration, development, storage or production occurs.
(4) Protect the natural resources, environmental rights and values secured by the Pennsylvania Constitution.




Looks like that covers all the bases w/o setting a ton of overly specific regulations.

Thanks, this makes me feel even more comfortable with fracking.

 

[martybegan]

If you take a look at the "Pennsylvania Oil and Gas Act" you'll notice there are no specific provisions related to fracking fluid containment and handling other than when it comes to bulk transportation.

You all should seriously consider reading through the Act. Here's the link:

Oil & Gas Act - 223

Two sections do address fresh water protection:

Protection of Fresh Groundwater: Casing Requirements.
Protection of Water Supplies

The lack of specific provisions re: handling/storage of fracking fluids has not been lost on the Bureau of Oil and Gas Management, PA Dep't of Environmental Protection. These folks aren't dummies. The issues are being addressed and will be rectified.

No, fracking is not a new process. But - the pace at which it is being employed is unrpresidented and has obviously caught the regulatory agencies off guard.
Give it time and the Act will be amended. It takes just that- time.

Title of Act:
An Act relating to the development of oil and gas and coal; imposing duties and powers on the Department of Environmental Resources; imposing notification requirements to protect landowners; and providing for definitions, for various requirements to regulate the drilling and operation of oil and gas wells, for gas storage reservoirs, for various reporting requirements, including certain requirements concerning the operation of coal mines, for well permits, for well registration, for distance requirements, for well casing requirements, for safety device requirements, for storage reservoir obligations, for well bonding requirements, for a Well Plugging Restricted Revenue Account to enforce oil and gas well plugging requirements, for the creation of an Oil and Gas Technical Advisory Board, for oil and gas well inspections, for enforcement and for penalties. 1984, Dec. 19, P.L. 1140, No. 223.

Back to TOC

Sec. 601.102. Declaration of purpose

The purposes of this act are to:

(1) Permit the optimal development of the oil and gas resources of Pennsylvania consistent with the protection of the health, safety, environment and property of the citizens of the Commonwealth.
(2) Protect the safety of personnel and facilities employed in the exploration, development, storage and production of natural gas or oil or the mining of coal.
(3) Protect the safety and property rights of persons residing in areas where such exploration, development, storage or production occurs.
(4) Protect the natural resources, environmental rights and values secured by the Pennsylvania Constitution.




Looks like that covers all the bases w/o setting a ton of overly specific regulations.

Thanks, this makes me feel even more comfortable with fracking.

At this point the actual regulators take over (hopefully engineers, not lawyers) and set specific guidlines for:

Drilling equipment
Casing material, layers and thickness
Fracking fluid source
Discharge values for any wastewater (TSS, VOC's, Salinity, etc)

This also allows the budgetary people to set up the taxes and fees required.

 

[Mr. H.]

Exactly.

I've dealt with Illinois DNR for 30 years and have seen many amendments to our Act.
Industry works closely with state resources agencies. It's in our best interest to do so.

 

[Mr. H.]

A friend of mine is a wellsite geologist currently working in the Marcellus play of PA.
He just now sent me this from Greene County.

This is what it's about, bitches!

Industrial activity. Producing goods and services, employing Americans, reducing the trade deficit, generating tax revenues, contributing to energy security.