More evidence that Loughner not 'crazy' or 'deranged'

[Synthaholic]

January 26, 2011
Tucson Suspect Studied Assassins, Officials Say

By JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN and MARC LACEY

TUCSON — Jared L. Loughner, the man accused of opening fire outside a Tucson supermarket on Jan. 8 in what the authorities consider an attempted political assassination, researched famous assassins, the death penalty and solitary confinement on the Internet before the shooting, an official close to the investigation said Wednesday.


Mr. Loughner, 22, pleaded not guilty on Monday to three counts of attempted murder in connection with the shooting, which left six people dead and 13 injured. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, Democrat of Arizona, was shot in the head but survived. Additional charges, including murder, are expected.


Mr. Loughner checked himself into a Motel 6 on the evening before the attacks and was on his computer until the wee hours, authorities said. An analysis of his Web searches showed that he was busy researching hours before the shooting, which took place shortly after 10 a.m., an official said.


“He was looking at Web sites related to lethal injection and Web sites about famous assassinations,” said an official close to the investigation.

The Washington Post first reported the Internet searches on its Web site on Wednesday afternoon.

 

[hboats]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

 

[SFC Ollie]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

I believe the argument would be that he knew the consequences of his actions.

 

[whitehall]

He is probably as sane as John Hinkley was when he tried to kill President Reagan but Hinkley was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

 

[Ravi]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

I believe the argument would be that he knew the consequences of his actions.

Yep.

 

[Valerie]

Also makes it harder to claim he was in one of his delusional "lucid dream" states.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

I believe the argument would be that he knew the consequences of his actions.

You're right. It proves he knew what the consequences would be-it doesn't really prove whether he knew doing the act was right or wrong though.

The question isn't whether he was able to orchestrate a plan to carry out this act (which actually wasn't a great plan-he didn't even have the ammo in the morning to carry it out). And the question isn't whether he knew what the consequences would be.

The only question that matters (legally for the insanity question) is: Was he able to distinguish whether the act he committed was right or wrong?

 

[Synthaholic]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

 

[uscitizen]

He is probably as sane as John Hinkley was when he tried to kill President Reagan but Hinkley was found not guilty by reason of insanity.

hinkleys family had influence and money.
Loughners does not.

 

[DiveCon]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

you do understand that us calling him insane or deranged has no bearing on him being criminally insane, right?

 

[uscitizen]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

you do understand that us calling him insane or deranged has no bearing on him being criminally insane, right?

Yep there is a difference, Beck is deranged, but not criminally insane.

 

[Synthaholic]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

you do understand that us calling him insane or deranged has no bearing on him being criminally insane, right?

You wingnuts trip all over yourselves to desperately claim that hate speech from Palin, Beck, Rush, hannity, had nothing to do with Loughner's actions because he was insane, not influenced.

Whether he was influenced or not has yet to be determined.

 

[uscitizen]

He was influenced mostly by watching Jerry Springer.

 

[DiveCon]

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

you do understand that us calling him insane or deranged has no bearing on him being criminally insane, right?

You wingnuts trip all over yourselves to desperately claim that hate speech from Palin, Beck, Rush, hannity, had nothing to do with Loughner's actions because he was insane, not influenced.

Whether he was influenced or not has yet to be determined.

show your proof that he was influenced
no has yet

 

[Liability]

Simpleholic. I hope Loughner was not insane. For if not insane, he is more likely to be held criminally reponsible for his actions.

But, whether sane or insane, YOU have never shown ANY evidence that he was in the slightest bit influenced by Palin or Beck or Rush or any conservative talk radio or message board or television or anything else related to right wing political discourse (and nobody ELSE has either).

And you won't.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The fool has been upset with the Congresswoman since 07. This is known as fact. None of the so called influences had anything to do with it.

 

[Sheldon]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

I think when most people say he's insane they mean "normal, non-instain people don't shoot up dozens of other people at a political rally". Legal insanity and clinical insanity is another issue.

Someone can suffer from a mental disorder, and still know how to operate google and think ahead btw. So the premise of this thread doesn't really work.

But I'm thinking you've already made up your mind about what the influences were, regardless of the facts of the case so far, and it's just about reinforcing your as-yet unsubstantiated opinion.

Have fun with that.

 

[daveman]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

Have you ever found any proof that he was influenced by "hate speech"?

NOTE: Wishful thinking isn't proof.

 

[daveman]

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

you do understand that us calling him insane or deranged has no bearing on him being criminally insane, right?

You wingnuts trip all over yourselves to desperately claim that hate speech from Palin, Beck, Rush, hannity, had nothing to do with Loughner's actions because he was insane, not influenced.

Whether he was influenced or not has yet to be determined.

There's a(nother) leftist retard on another board who's convinced the defense attorney is going to go with a "not guilty by reason of Palin" defense.

Yes. You both really are that stupid.

 

[Ravi]

How exactly does the fact that he researched assassinations make you conclude that he wasn't crazy or deranged?

Rick

The major talking point from the extreme Rightwing has been that wingnut hate speech and vitriol played no part in the shootings, because Loughner was supposedly "insane". The fact that he has been researching it, and planning for it, keeps open the door to what influenced his actions.

I think when most people say he's insane they mean "normal, non-instain people don't shoot up dozens of other people at a political rally". Legal insanity and clinical insanity is another issue.

Someone can suffer from a mental disorder, and still know how to operate google and think ahead btw. So the premise of this thread doesn't really work.

But I'm thinking you've already made up your mind about what the influences were, regardless of the facts of the case so far, and it's just about reinforcing your as-yet unsubstantiated opinion.

Have fun with that.

You said instain!