More Economic Good News- Economists agree: Stimulus created nearly 3 million jobs

[Jarhead]

No, my business is up 45% over last year. I am in the HVAC/DDC/Automation/Energy Management sector....we do a lot of things, but basically we control commerical and industrial buildings' HVAC equipment and manage energy savings through our sequences.

So you are in a maintenance industry. A recession proof industry. Good times or bad, systems in commercial and industrial properties need to be maintained. So growth in a recession that included a credit crunch is likely for a company with credit as they are able to poick up the void created by smaller competitors going under.

Like I said...good times or bad, YOURS is not a luxury to your client base. YOURS is a necessity.

VaYank...it is my job to analyze industries and make recommendations. I would recommend you grow now for sure....but most do not have the luxury of ebing in a recssion prooof industry.

Commercial and hi rise residential Real Estate management firms are doing well...accounting firms, Durable Medical Equipment firms.....all recession proof.....

Apparently, you do not know much about my industry, because I am seeing cuts in customers that are normally "recession proof", such as healthcare and government. For you to sit back wherever you are and assume that my sector is recession proof, as opposed to finding new ways to sell to my customers is insulting at best. Good luck with your analyses.

Oh. I see. Now when an AC system fails, the tenants in the building have to sweat it out becuase we are in a recession.
Heatring system fails, all tenants in the building must close down becasue we are in a recession and the owner of the building will not fix it.
A pipe bursts and the building floods, no biggie. Just cloes the building until the recession is over.
Got it.
Now I know where you come from. You are full of shit.
You crossed the line with that crap. I know my business.....I dont think you knopw yours.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The rich receive more because they earn more. When 34% of the tax cut goes to 1% of the population, you do not have an equatable distribution

Fact is Obama should have spent the entire stimulus on small business and public works projects. The tax cut was an ill-fated attempt to placate Republican Congressmen who didn't vote for the bill anyway.

Tax cuts do not create jobs....we have learned that over and over

No... you seem to forget that the rich have the exact same rights, freedoms, and protections by law as the poor or as the middle class

nice try at using that bullshit chestnut again, though

When ~50% pay no income tax at all... or when not every dollar is taxed the same way for each citizen... THAT is indeed against equitable treatment.... there is no right of government to act as some governor for 'equitable distribution' of wealth, though extreme leftists would like it to be

Opinion.. Obama and the government as a whole should not have spent dime 1 on the stimulus.. (see, I keep opinions as opinions... while you continually try and assert your opinion as fact)

Tax increases do not create jobs... that we have learned over and over and over

Show me where equitable payment of taxes is required in the Constitution? I notice you want a strict enforcement of the Constitution. What percentage of Americans paid federal taxes in 1785? It was closer to 20% than the 50% now.

Who paid taxes back then? The wealthy land owners

It was not till the enactment of income taxes that the middle class assumed a higher federal tax burden

Repeal the 16th Amendment

 

[007]

The fact of the matter is that all that money did was stave off an eminent financial train wreck. In essence, spending all that money just for some very temporary effects was the worst thing OWEbama and his merry band of spend, spend, spend like the wind radical, spread the wealth around socialists could have done, because all they really did was make a bad situation worse, by about a factor of TEN!

So the question remains... "WHAT PART ABOUT STOP SPENDING DON'T THESE EGG HEADED, MOTHER FUCKERS GET???!!!"

 

[Truthmatters]

Hey fucking idiot.

It kept us OUT of a depression.

Now in the warped con minds that is a bad thing?

 

[VaYank5150]

So you are in a maintenance industry. A recession proof industry. Good times or bad, systems in commercial and industrial properties need to be maintained. So growth in a recession that included a credit crunch is likely for a company with credit as they are able to poick up the void created by smaller competitors going under.

Like I said...good times or bad, YOURS is not a luxury to your client base. YOURS is a necessity.

VaYank...it is my job to analyze industries and make recommendations. I would recommend you grow now for sure....but most do not have the luxury of ebing in a recssion prooof industry.

Commercial and hi rise residential Real Estate management firms are doing well...accounting firms, Durable Medical Equipment firms.....all recession proof.....

Apparently, you do not know much about my industry, because I am seeing cuts in customers that are normally "recession proof", such as healthcare and government. For you to sit back wherever you are and assume that my sector is recession proof, as opposed to finding new ways to sell to my customers is insulting at best. Good luck with your analyses.

Oh. I see. Now when an AC system fails, the tenants in the building have to sweat it out becuase we are in a recession.
Heatring system fails, all tenants in the building must close down becasue we are in a recession and the owner of the building will not fix it.
A pipe bursts and the building floods, no biggie. Just cloes the building until the recession is over.
Got it.
Now I know where you come from. You are full of shit.
You crossed the line with that crap. I know my business.....I dont think you knopw yours.

Thank you for PROVING you haven't a clue what I do. It is not like you to jump to conclusions, Jarhead. I am surprised.

 

[Jarhead]

Hey fucking idiot.

It kept us OUT of a depression.

Now in the warped con minds that is a bad thing?

Simple....very few economists believed we were going INTO a depression.
Sure, the ones Obama has advise him did....but that is why he picked them you idiot.

 

[007]

Hey fucking idiot.

It kept us OUT of a depression.

Now in the warped con minds that is a bad thing?

You stupid fucking dripping gash... we were headed for bad times whether that money got spent or not, but now that your shit for brains, spend like the wind, radical turd cakes spent all that money, we're still headed for the same financial problems, BUT NOW IT'S WAY, WAY, WAY WORSE.

WHAT PART ABOUT THAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND YOU IGNORANT, SCAB RIDDEN SKANK?

 

[Jarhead]

Apparently, you do not know much about my industry, because I am seeing cuts in customers that are normally "recession proof", such as healthcare and government. For you to sit back wherever you are and assume that my sector is recession proof, as opposed to finding new ways to sell to my customers is insulting at best. Good luck with your analyses.

Oh. I see. Now when an AC system fails, the tenants in the building have to sweat it out becuase we are in a recession.
Heatring system fails, all tenants in the building must close down becasue we are in a recession and the owner of the building will not fix it.
A pipe bursts and the building floods, no biggie. Just cloes the building until the recession is over.
Got it.
Now I know where you come from. You are full of shit.
You crossed the line with that crap. I know my business.....I dont think you knopw yours.

Thank you for PROVING you haven't a clue what I do. It is not like you to jump to conclusions, Jarhead. I am surprised.

I proved I do not have a clue what you do? I got the imprerssion your firm maintains HVAC systems for commercial and indiustrial properties including monitoring deficiencies and recommending changes to increase energy efficiency.
And such is a very big industry nationwide and is deemed as one of the recession proof industries seeing as porper maintenace of HVAC is not deemed as a luxury by commercial property owners....it is a must to keep within the terms of the lease of the tenant base.

 

[VaYank5150]

Oh. I see. Now when an AC system fails, the tenants in the building have to sweat it out becuase we are in a recession.
Heatring system fails, all tenants in the building must close down becasue we are in a recession and the owner of the building will not fix it.
A pipe bursts and the building floods, no biggie. Just cloes the building until the recession is over.
Got it.
Now I know where you come from. You are full of shit.
You crossed the line with that crap. I know my business.....I dont think you knopw yours.

Thank you for PROVING you haven't a clue what I do. It is not like you to jump to conclusions, Jarhead. I am surprised.

I proved I do not have a clue what you do? I got the imprerssion your firm maintains HVAC systems for commercial and indiustrial properties including monitoring deficiencies and recommending changes to increase energy efficiency.
And such is a very big industry nationwide and is deemed as one of the recession proof industries seeing as porper maintenace of HVAC is not deemed as a luxury by commercial property owners....it is a must to keep within the terms of the lease of the tenant base.

MOST property owners are too short sighted to see the value of maintaining their HVAC equipment in peak operating condition, and property managers are even worse. All they care about is reducing operating costs.

 

[Jarhead]

Thank you for PROVING you haven't a clue what I do. It is not like you to jump to conclusions, Jarhead. I am surprised.

I proved I do not have a clue what you do? I got the imprerssion your firm maintains HVAC systems for commercial and indiustrial properties including monitoring deficiencies and recommending changes to increase energy efficiency.
And such is a very big industry nationwide and is deemed as one of the recession proof industries seeing as porper maintenace of HVAC is not deemed as a luxury by commercial property owners....it is a must to keep within the terms of the lease of the tenant base.

MOST property owners are too short sighted to see the value of maintaining their HVAC equipment in peak operating condition, and property managers are even worse. All they care about is reducing operating costs.

They work with contracts to maintain. THIS I know as fact VaYank. As a matter of fact, my lease has an escallation built in that is directly related to thye increqase in the cost of that contract.

VaYank...I know my business. I have set up two building maintenance firms in Manahttan....and expanded one of them to building cleaning...and the other I helped develop as an offshoot of a property management firm.

The costs of those and the INCREASE in cost of those are incopoirated into leases and accounted for by the escalations...thus making it recession proof.

SO I am not sure what it is you are saying....but in a way, over 2 posts you said you are increasing your business by 45% in the last 10 months in an industry where you see a drop off in business....

 

[Truthmatters]

Hey fucking idiot.

It kept us OUT of a depression.

Now in the warped con minds that is a bad thing?

You stupid fucking dripping gash... we were headed for bad times whether that money got spent or not, but now that your shit for brains, spend like the wind, radical turd cakes spent all that money, we're still headed for the same financial problems, BUT NOW IT'S WAY, WAY, WAY WORSE.

WHAT PART ABOUT THAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND YOU IGNORANT, SCAB RIDDEN SKANK?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are so fucking stupid you dont even realise that things are better than GWBush left us with.

You guys want to go right back into doing the shit that got us here.

 

[Jarhead]

Hey fucking idiot.

It kept us OUT of a depression.

Now in the warped con minds that is a bad thing?

You stupid fucking dripping gash... we were headed for bad times whether that money got spent or not, but now that your shit for brains, spend like the wind, radical turd cakes spent all that money, we're still headed for the same financial problems, BUT NOW IT'S WAY, WAY, WAY WORSE.

WHAT PART ABOUT THAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND YOU IGNORANT, SCAB RIDDEN SKANK?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are so fucking stupid you dont even realise that things are better than GWBush left us with.

You guys want to go right back into doing the shit that got us here.

Wow. I think you need to have something straigtened out here.
We had three things happen at once.

First...recession...normal cycle, happens all the time every 6-8 years
Second- Housing buble collpse. Had nothing to do with the recession
Third- Credit crunch. Directly related to the housing bubble collapse.

Lessons were learned by the housing bubble collapse. Reforms were established.
Recession had nothing to do with policy. It is usally a factor of market stauration and requires nothing but the natural correction that pure competition allows for.

No one is pushing for policies that got us here.

You are a victim of left wing rhetoric. And it is making you look foolish.

 

[VaYank5150]

I proved I do not have a clue what you do? I got the imprerssion your firm maintains HVAC systems for commercial and indiustrial properties including monitoring deficiencies and recommending changes to increase energy efficiency.
And such is a very big industry nationwide and is deemed as one of the recession proof industries seeing as porper maintenace of HVAC is not deemed as a luxury by commercial property owners....it is a must to keep within the terms of the lease of the tenant base.

MOST property owners are too short sighted to see the value of maintaining their HVAC equipment in peak operating condition, and property managers are even worse. All they care about is reducing operating costs.

They work with contracts to maintain. THIS I know as fact VaYank. As a matter of fact, my lease has an escallation built in that is directly related to thye increqase in the cost of that contract.

VaYank...I know my business. I have set up two building maintenance firms in Manahttan....and expanded one of them to building cleaning...and the other I helped develop as an offshoot of a property management firm.

The costs of those and the INCREASE in cost of those are incopoirated into leases and accounted for by the escalations...thus making it recession proof.

SO I am not sure what it is you are saying....but in a way, over 2 posts you said you are increasing your business by 45% in the last 10 months in an industry where you see a drop off in business....

No....what I SAID was that budgets that are normally "recession proof" are being hit. Hence, my company has to find ways to help our customers spend their dollars more wisely, and in the end, if we can help them invest those budget dollars now on efficiences that will help them save money on energy budgets in the future, everyone wins. Add to this, my expanding customer base, and you can easily see the reasons behind our increase in overall business.

 

[007]

Hey fucking idiot.

It kept us OUT of a depression.

Now in the warped con minds that is a bad thing?

You stupid fucking dripping gash... we were headed for bad times whether that money got spent or not, but now that your shit for brains, spend like the wind, radical turd cakes spent all that money, we're still headed for the same financial problems, BUT NOW IT'S WAY, WAY, WAY WORSE.

WHAT PART ABOUT THAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND YOU IGNORANT, SCAB RIDDEN SKANK?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are so fucking stupid you dont even realise that things are better than GWBush left us with.

You guys want to go right back into doing the shit that got us here.

Good God... you constantly prove that there isn't a more ignorant person here than you.

We are NOT better off. The economy is NOT better off. Jobs are NOT better off. Banks are NOT better off. NOTHING is better off, than it was under Bush... NOTHING! Our economy is in the TOILET, and in large part because of the OUT OF CONTROL, OUT OF TOUCH, RADICAL, SOCIALISTIC SPEND, SPEND, SPEND LIKE THE WIND actions of you and your PISS FOR BRAINS DEMOCRATS! The country is BROKE! The only people that don't seem to get is you and your shit eating liberal dick heads.

 

[Toro]

Almost half the stimulus spent thus far has been on tax breaks.

I guess tax breaks don't work.

 

[Toro]

We are NOT better off. The economy is NOT better off. Jobs are NOT better off. Banks are NOT better off. NOTHING is better off, than it was under Bush... NOTHING! Our economy is in the TOILET, and in large part because of the OUT OF CONTROL, OUT OF TOUCH, RADICAL, SOCIALISTIC SPEND, SPEND, SPEND LIKE THE WIND actions of you and your PISS FOR BRAINS DEMOCRATS! The country is BROKE! The only people that don't seem to get is you and your shit eating liberal dick heads.

Without having read any thing else in this thread, I'm not sure where this has come from. However, there is zero question that TARP saved the banking system. Whether or not the stimulus has is another question.

 

[Shogun]

Almost half the stimulus spent thus far has been on tax breaks.

I guess tax breaks don't work.

Maybe you can ask Bill Clinton about his experiences during the 90s.... How did that work out, economically, again?

 

[saveliberty]

So the White House wants to take full credit for every "saved/created" job, but the 400,000+ plus every month that is newly unemployed have nothing to do with him? BTW, it adds up to more jobs lost/cut.

 

[Jarhead]

MOST property owners are too short sighted to see the value of maintaining their HVAC equipment in peak operating condition, and property managers are even worse. All they care about is reducing operating costs.

They work with contracts to maintain. THIS I know as fact VaYank. As a matter of fact, my lease has an escallation built in that is directly related to thye increqase in the cost of that contract.

VaYank...I know my business. I have set up two building maintenance firms in Manahttan....and expanded one of them to building cleaning...and the other I helped develop as an offshoot of a property management firm.

The costs of those and the INCREASE in cost of those are incopoirated into leases and accounted for by the escalations...thus making it recession proof.

SO I am not sure what it is you are saying....but in a way, over 2 posts you said you are increasing your business by 45% in the last 10 months in an industry where you see a drop off in business....

No....what I SAID was that budgets that are normally "recession proof" are being hit. Hence, my company has to find ways to help our customers spend their dollars more wisely, and in the end, if we can help them invest those budget dollars now on efficiences that will help them save money on energy budgets in the future, everyone wins. Add to this, my expanding customer base, and you can easily see the reasons behind our increase in overall business.

I understand. But that goes back to my original point. They can not eiminate their budgets..they need to maximize their budgets. That is what makes you recession proof. You are needed in good times and bad. Like a plumber in residential....a pipe bursts, good times or bad, yoiu need to call a plumber. You may not replace the wet carpet in a recession, but the pipe needs to be fixed.

As for your increase in reach....you have smaller competitors that are going under or mimizing their staff due to loss of credit or whatever is causing them to go under. You have a business model that allowed for loss of credit and a recession at the same time...so you survivied and you can now fill the void created by those tha went under.

All industries that service commercial real estate are deemed as recession proof as there are tenants that depend on the building being serviced. When there is a contract (lease in this case) with a thrid party, it tends to make i reesson proof.

 

[Jarhead]

You stupid fucking dripping gash... we were headed for bad times whether that money got spent or not, but now that your shit for brains, spend like the wind, radical turd cakes spent all that money, we're still headed for the same financial problems, BUT NOW IT'S WAY, WAY, WAY WORSE.

WHAT PART ABOUT THAT DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND YOU IGNORANT, SCAB RIDDEN SKANK?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You are so fucking stupid you dont even realise that things are better than GWBush left us with.

You guys want to go right back into doing the shit that got us here.

Good God... you constantly prove that there isn't a more ignorant person here than you.

We are NOT better off. The economy is NOT better off. Jobs are NOT better off. Banks are NOT better off. NOTHING is better off, than it was under Bush... NOTHING! Our economy is in the TOILET, and in large part because of the OUT OF CONTROL, OUT OF TOUCH, RADICAL, SOCIALISTIC SPEND, SPEND, SPEND LIKE THE WIND actions of you and your PISS FOR BRAINS DEMOCRATS! The country is BROKE! The only people that don't seem to get is you and your shit eating liberal dick heads.

Give it a rest. She tends to regurgitate what she hears with little or know comprhension of what is beingsiad other than the words themselves.

Obama siad we were eading for a depression so in her eyes, tha is fact.
Obama said "it could have been worse" and so it is fact.
Obama siad itwas rightwing poilicies that got us here and so it is fact.

What she does not realize is he said it on the campaign trail...and w all know that politicans will say whatevert hey have to in aneffort to win an election.