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Are you at all familiar with Obama's speech?
I read it.
Did you?
What other Inaugural speeches have you read for comparison so you know the claim is true?
Hmmm...
I read Obama's speech this morning, it's the most radical departure from our Founding principles every set forth by a POTUS.
The Annual trillion deficits and 8% unemployment must be the new normal because they didn't get mentioned at all.
We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit.
For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it.
Interesting though. We'll see if something like Code Pink emerges from the right wing in the next 4 years. I dont think the Tea Party is the equivalent of Code Pink though.
Interesting though. We'll see if something like Code Pink emerges from the right wing in the next 4 years. I dont think the Tea Party is the equivalent of Code Pink though.
Depends on which video clips you look at.
I read it.
Did you?
What other Inaugural speeches have you read for comparison so you know the claim is true?
Hmmm...
I read Obama's speech this morning, it's the most radical departure from our Founding principles every set forth by a POTUS.
Moving the goal posts now, eh?
Let me re-post the original claim since you are trying to redefine it: "Obama has been widely heralded today for delivering the most partisan, radical Inauguration speech of all time."
You must not have read it.
We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit.
For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it.
Tell us Bucs90, what portion of your income do you pay in taxes?
I read it.
Did you?
What other Inaugural speeches have you read for comparison so you know the claim is true?
Hmmm...
I read Obama's speech this morning, it's the most radical departure from our Founding principles every set forth by a POTUS.
Moving the goal posts now, eh?
Let me re-post the original claim since you are trying to redefine it: "Obama has been widely heralded today for delivering the most partisan, radical Inauguration speech of all time."
You must not have read it.
We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit.
For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it.
Tell us Bucs90, what portion of your income do you pay in taxes?
It depends how much shopping and driving I do every 2 weeks. I have state, local, SS, etc. And gas tax, sales tax, hospitality tax (restaurants/hotels). So, you see, its impossible to give a flat number when we all do various amounts of shopping, driving, eating, etc, with each paycheck.
Why does it matter? I work. I pay what the government says I must pay. I do my citizen duty. If you are asking if I pay as much as a millionaire does, then no, I dont. Im not rich. So mathematically, I would not.
The bitterness, nastiness and outright hatred of the far right...and even moderate right...since the November election has been unbelievable, but not that unexpected. They are acting as if the grocery store shelves are empty; As if the Super Bowl got canceled by executive order; As if we are gassing puppies; As if we have banned sunshine or something.
It aint that bad. It wasnt that bad under Bush. And it aint that bad under Obama.
The problem is the crazy partisans. They mostly dont live much life outside their little bubble of wakeup/home-to-work-to-home/bedtime, and the cable TV and talk radio that fills those (-) slash marks I used. They get the usual daily stresses that most people on Earth have: How to keep food, shelter, clothing on their family's slate in life. Historically, people have always wanted that.
Government has a role in society to simply provide a canvas for people to make what they make of their own lives. That cost a price: Taxes. But after that is paid, we can live a pretty damn awesome life, in a damn awesome country.
But when you really calm down and look at it all, its a pretty great deal. As long as we are paying $5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks (rather than the $1 gas station alternative across the street) and spending $20 for a movie (rather than read a free book) then we cant bitch that much about life in America.
SO I ASK.........which group of bitter, unrealistic crybabies is the worst: 2004 Democrat/liberals, or 2012-present day GOP conservatives? Both are full of shit alarmists who need to take stock of how great they actually have it.
Obama has been widely heralded today for delivering the most partisan, radical Inauguration speech of all time.
Stop pretending the Republicans are the divisive ones.
Im not pretending that. Partisan dipshits on both sides are divisive. As much as Obama did that, we get the right wing idiots preaching "Makers vs Takers", as if we have a society full of people with either an "M" or a "T" tattooed on their forehead.
I read Obama's speech this morning, it's the most radical departure from our Founding principles every set forth by a POTUS.
Moving the goal posts now, eh?
Let me re-post the original claim since you are trying to redefine it: "Obama has been widely heralded today for delivering the most partisan, radical Inauguration speech of all time."
You must not have read it.
For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it.
"For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it."
You now that's Socialism, right? He's openly embraced Socialism right there. Is demonization of success people an American principal, is that grounded in our Founding?
And for the deficit, the same guy who set out a radical Liberal Agenda and promised to cut the deficit in half 4 years ago, now refuses to pass a budget or act like an adult at all regarding the budget... promises to cut the deficit again. The checks in the mail, Rube
I read Obama's speech this morning, it's the most radical departure from our Founding principles every set forth by a POTUS.
Moving the goal posts now, eh?
Let me re-post the original claim since you are trying to redefine it: "Obama has been widely heralded today for delivering the most partisan, radical Inauguration speech of all time."
You must not have read it.
For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it.
"For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it."
You now that's Socialism, right? He's openly embraced Socialism right there. Is demonization of success people an American principal, is that grounded in our Founding?
And for the deficit, the same guy who set out a radical Liberal Agenda and promised to cut the deficit in half 4 years ago, now refuses to pass a budget or act like an adult at all regarding the budget... promises to cut the deficit again. The checks in the mail, Rube
"For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it."
You now that's Socialism, right? He's openly embraced Socialism right there. Is demonization of success people an American principal, is that grounded in our Founding?
As soon as I had got clear of the town I fell in with a poor woman walking at the same rate with myself and going the same course. Wishing to know the condition of the laboring poor I entered into conversation with her, which I began by enquiries for the path which would lead me into the mountain: and thence proceeded to enquiries into her vocation, condition and circumstances. She told me she was a day laborer at 8 sous or 4d. sterling the day: that she had two children to maintain, and to pay a rent of 30 livres for her house (which would consume the hire of 75 days), that often she could no employment and of course was without bread. As we had walked together near a mile and she had so far served me as a guide, I gave her, on parting, 24 sous. She burst into tears of a gratitude which I could perceive was unfeigned because she was unable to utter a word. She had probably never before received so great an aid. This little attendrissement, with the solitude of my walk, led me into a train of reflections on that unequal division of property which occasions the numberless instances of wretchedness which I had observed in this country and is to be observed all over Europe.
The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards. These employ the flower of the country as servants, some of them having as many as 200 domestics, not laboring. They employ also a great number of manufacturers and tradesmen, and lastly the class of laboring husbandmen. But after all there comes the most numerous of all classes, that is, the poor who cannot find work. I asked myself what could be the reason so many should be permitted to beg who are willing to work, in a country where there is a very considerable proportion of uncultivated lands? These lands are undisturbed only for the sake of game. It should seem then that it must be because of the enormous wealth of the proprietors which places them above attention to the increase of their revenues by permitting these lands to be labored. I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree, is a politic measure and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right.
Moving the goal posts now, eh?
Let me re-post the original claim since you are trying to redefine it: "Obama has been widely heralded today for delivering the most partisan, radical Inauguration speech of all time."
You must not have read it.
"For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it."
You now that's Socialism, right? He's openly embraced Socialism right there. Is demonization of success people an American principal, is that grounded in our Founding?
And for the deficit, the same guy who set out a radical Liberal Agenda and promised to cut the deficit in half 4 years ago, now refuses to pass a budget or act like an adult at all regarding the budget... promises to cut the deficit again. The checks in the mail, Rube
See - just keeps moving the goalposts when he is disproven.
There is no logic or reason to this dissent - just blind hatred.
"For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it."
You now that's Socialism, right? He's openly embraced Socialism right there. Is demonization of success people an American principal, is that grounded in our Founding?
Okay. Brace yourself. Here is the letter from Jefferson to Madison I promised. Jefferson spoke of the evils of the concentration of wealth he saw in France, and how it was imperative our own country legislatively ensured that never happened here.
As soon as I had got clear of the town I fell in with a poor woman walking at the same rate with myself and going the same course. Wishing to know the condition of the laboring poor I entered into conversation with her, which I began by enquiries for the path which would lead me into the mountain: and thence proceeded to enquiries into her vocation, condition and circumstances. She told me she was a day laborer at 8 sous or 4d. sterling the day: that she had two children to maintain, and to pay a rent of 30 livres for her house (which would consume the hire of 75 days), that often she could no employment and of course was without bread. As we had walked together near a mile and she had so far served me as a guide, I gave her, on parting, 24 sous. She burst into tears of a gratitude which I could perceive was unfeigned because she was unable to utter a word. She had probably never before received so great an aid. This little attendrissement, with the solitude of my walk, led me into a train of reflections on that unequal division of property which occasions the numberless instances of wretchedness which I had observed in this country and is to be observed all over Europe.
The property of this country is absolutely concentred in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards. These employ the flower of the country as servants, some of them having as many as 200 domestics, not laboring. They employ also a great number of manufacturers and tradesmen, and lastly the class of laboring husbandmen. But after all there comes the most numerous of all classes, that is, the poor who cannot find work. I asked myself what could be the reason so many should be permitted to beg who are willing to work, in a country where there is a very considerable proportion of uncultivated lands? These lands are undisturbed only for the sake of game. It should seem then that it must be because of the enormous wealth of the proprietors which places them above attention to the increase of their revenues by permitting these lands to be labored. I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree, is a politic measure and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right.
Obama: "For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it."
So, yes, that is grounded in our founding principles. Absolutely yes.
Those who think Obama's speech was the most partisan and radical inaugural speech of all time have obviously never read any other inaugural speech and are just repeating an UnConservative talking point read to them.
Taft's inaugural address springs to mind.
And of course FDR's first inaugural address.
You know it's funny... Even though Obama won again in 2012 liberals are still bitter and disgusting people... What gives?
You know it's funny... Even though Obama won again in 2012 liberals are still bitter and disgusting people... What gives?
You know it's funny... Even though Obama won again in 2012 liberals are still bitter and disgusting people... What gives?
They started out that way.
