More Americans moving towards liberty?

[BOBO]

I don't believe in legal marriage by making government the 3rd party in a personal marriage between a couple, but still, the link below...

Americans Moving in a Libertarian Direction: More Back Gun Rights, Gay Marriage | Libertarian Party

...illustrates that that the American constituencies mindset of...

"let's get government involved in all aspects of society"

...is FINALLY changing direction. I'd have to attribute this change in attitude to the under 30 age group among the constituency at least for the most part, as they seem much more self sufficient than the antiquated welfare mentality baby boomer generation.

 

[kaz]

...is FINALLY changing direction

I don't get the part on gay marriage. How is more government involvement in marriage people moving away from government involvement in our lives?

 

[BOBO]

KAZ. It's not about getting more g'ment involved in peoples marriages. It's about getting g'ment out of private marriage altogether. Many states prohibit same sex marriage. By removing "legal" out of marriage anyone over 18 can marry anyone else over 18 with a ceremony of their choosing, if desired, anywhere in the USA.

Original Intent Treatise - Common Law Marriage

 

[Charles_Main]

I don't believe in legal marriage by making government the 3rd party in a personal marriage between a couple, but still, the link below...

Americans Moving in a Libertarian Direction: More Back Gun Rights, Gay Marriage | Libertarian Party

...illustrates that that the American constituencies mindset of...

"let's get government involved in all aspects of society"

...is FINALLY changing direction. I'd have to attribute this change in attitude to the under 30 age group among the constituency at least for the most part, as they seem much more self sufficient than the antiquated welfare mentality baby boomer generation.

That has never been the Mind Set of the Average Person. It's Always been an Idea of the Left, Which contrary to what it may seem, Is only a small % of the American People.

Problem is they Wield a very un-Proportionally Large amount of Influence over our Media, and Government. So I can understand why one might mistakenly think that most Americans lately have been wanting Government involved in everything, Because the Liberal Media, Hollywood, and the Democrats have been selling that Idea for Generations.

Like the Snake Oil Salesmen of old.

 

[kaz]

KAZ. It's not about getting more g'ment involved in peoples marriages. It's about getting g'ment out of private marriage altogether. Many states prohibit same sex marriage. By removing "legal" out of marriage anyone over 18 can marry anyone else over 18 with a ceremony of their choosing, if desired, anywhere in the USA.

Original Intent Treatise - Common Law Marriage

By having government marry more people how exactly does that get government less involved in marriage? BTW, I'm libertarian and I oppose government marriage. I'm not seeing how expanding it does that.

 

[waltky]

Granny says Obama done gone an' opened up a whole can o' worms...

Gay Marriage Moves Closer To Supreme Court
WASHINGTON | Fri May 11, 2012 : (Reuters) - Two big cases addressing marriage rights for gays and lesbians are on track to reach the U.S. Supreme Court as soon as this year, keeping the focus on an issue President Barack Obama reignited with his endorsement this week.

The cases, originating on opposite coasts, go to the heart of a question that has churned for two decades: whether states and the federal government may refuse to recognize same-sex marriage. How the high court would rule is impossible to know. In the court's most recent gay-rights case, the justices in 2003 struck down state anti-sodomy laws as an improper intrusion on private activity. Lawyers for California same-sex couples are urging the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit to end its involvement, which would clear the way for a request for the Supreme Court to settle the issue. Each day the government does not recognize the couples "is a day that can never be returned to them," lawyer Ted Olson wrote in a court filing in March.

Obama got both sides of the marriage debate fired up on Wednesday when he said he believes gays and lesbians should be able to marry. The comments to ABC News completed the president's self-described evolution on the subject and thrust the issue into his 2012 re-election campaign. The California case tests whether the state's same-sex marriage ban, which voters approved in 2008 after 18,000 same-sex couples had obtained marriage licenses, violates due-process and equal-protection rights. After a three-judge panel ruled for gay marriage in the 9th Circuit in February, backers of the ban asked that an 11-judge panel rehear the case. Should the court refuse, the backers are expected to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene.

Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, a group that opposes same-sex marriage, struck a confident note in an interview. Lawyers for gays and lesbians, he said, need to prove that "our entire common law history going back to England was wrong." The second major case is from Massachusetts, where gays and lesbians can legally marry but are ineligible for the federal benefits of marriage. Seventeen married or widowed men and women suing for benefits won a 2010 ruling that is now on appeal. A decision is likely in the next several months from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit, with the high court a possible next step. Other cases in earlier stages are challenging laws that restrict same-sex relationships. A New York widow is suing over the tax treatment of her late wife's estate. The two were married in Canada in 2007.

Mary Bonauto, a lawyer for the Massachusetts plaintiffs, said it was hard to gauge how Obama's support for same-sex marriage might affect legal proceedings. "When you have the conversation, then you have the opportunity to change discriminatory laws," said Bonauto, director of the civil rights project for the legal group GLAD.

Source

 

[rdean]

Republicans won't be happy until America "undiscovers" fire.

 

[Ariux]

I don't believe in legal marriage by making government the 3rd party in a personal marriage between a couple, but still, the link below...

The reason Conservatives are losing on nearly every issue is because they let dishonest Liberals frame the debates. Involving the government in someone's personal relationship has nothing to do with liberty. Banning people from choosing not to contribute to the homosexual lifestyle and prohibiting people from refusing to take part in inf homosexual-related acts is a direct violation of liberty - this is what the homosexual marriage movement is really about.

Americans are not moving toward liberty. We are moving toward tyranny.

 

[Annie]

...is FINALLY changing direction

I don't get the part on gay marriage. How is more government involvement in marriage people moving away from government involvement in our lives?

Me too! I would think the Libertarian Party would say that marriage of whatever stripe, falls within the purview of the states.

 

[Ariux]

Me too! I would think the Libertarian Party would say that marriage of whatever stripe, falls within the purview of the states.

A libertarian ideologue would say that marriage isn't the government's business. Failing that, they wold stand up for state's rights and the rights on individuals to not be coerced to support the marriages of others, especially in the face of deeply held beliefs.

The Libertarian Party isn't libertarian. It's is a collection of liberals who invoke "liberty" to promote that which the two big parties have traditionally refused to promote, which until recently included same-sex marriage. Also, legalization of prostitution, recreational drugs, and no limits on immigration.

Real freedom is off of the Libertarian Party's radar. You don't hear them pounding the table about about tax cuts or axing the department of education (i.e. smaller government). You don't hear them defending the individual's rights of "discrimination" (which is the freedom of speech and association in the First Amendment).

The Libertarian Party's pro-government position on same-sex marriage is the complete opposite of libertarianism.

 

[Katzndogz]

Wouldn't you expect a libertarian site to find that they are right and everyone else wrong?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"let's get government involved in all aspects of society"

...is FINALLY changing direction. I'd have to attribute this change in attitude to the under 30 age group among the constituency at least for the most part, as they seem much more self sufficient than the antiquated welfare mentality baby boomer generation.

Gomer Ties-The-Knot!!!

 

[BlindBoo]

I don't believe in legal marriage by making government the 3rd party in a personal marriage between a couple, but still, the link below...

The reason Conservatives are losing on nearly every issue is because they let dishonest Liberals frame the debates. Involving the government in someone's personal relationship has nothing to do with liberty. Banning people from choosing not to contribute to the homosexual lifestyle and prohibiting people from refusing to take part in inf homosexual-related acts is a direct violation of liberty - this is what the homosexual marriage movement is really about.

Americans are not moving toward liberty. We are moving toward tyranny.

The government should not be in the business of telling people who they can or cannot marry.