More about Yehuda Glick and the Temple Mount

[Penelope]

Well, then you're blind, lope. Lope, rhymes with dope.

Saigon, that is the entrance to the Temple Mount, as that bridge goes up across the Western Wall plaza.

I think I see what is going on. The moslems refer to it as the 'al-Aqsa compound' while everyone else refers to it as the 'Temple Mount', so in this way any one going up on the Mount is, according to the moslems, going to the al-Aqsa, and therefore potentially 'invading' it. You obviously have been up there, yes? Does this sound like a fair representation? If you have been there, is it fair to say that anyone wanting to go up on the Mount is 'invading' the al-Aqsa mosque itself?

No I have not been there, and would have no need to except to see it, the buildings and such, a person can pray anywhere. The temple mount is all of it, but the Muslims do not want the Jews to pray on the temple mount anywhere,

The Palestinians are not stupid, they know if the Jews are allowed to pray there, they will take it over, just like when they moved to Palestine they made it theirs.

So you pushed a L instead of a d. I do that as well,

 

[aris2chat]

Abbas sent a thank you letter the family of the would be assassin.

Some nerve, and a lot of hate.

 

[waltky]

Next flashpoint in Israeli/Palestinian relations?...

Status of Al Aqsa ‘will change’ - extremist Israeli politician
November 2, 2014 ~ Tibi warns that that the Israeli regime is ‘playing with fire’ in Jerusalem

Ramallah: An extremist Israeli politician who has been accused of inciting radical Jews to continue their raids of occupied Jerusalem’s Al Aqsa mosque has pledged to change the status quo at the mosque in favour of continued Jewish incursions. Right wing Israeli MP Moshe Feiglin said during his latest incursion into Islam’s third holiest site that he will work to change the status quo of the mosque to which Jews have traditionally been barred. Feiglin, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, visited the site under tight security on Sunday accompanied by a security detail appointed under orders from Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein on Thursday. Hundreds of Feiglin’s extremist supporters accompanied him on the incursion.

Israeli news site Ynet News quoted Feiglin as stating, “The fact that there is a necessity for a security escort at an hour when Arabs are walking around here freely without any fear, says more than anything who feels like a visitor here and who feels like the owner of this site. We will change this reality with the help of God.” Feiglin’s visits to Al Haram Al Sharif (which the Jews call the Temple Mount) are frequent and he is a campaigner for freedom of worship at the site for Jews. After a brief and highly controversial closure of the holy site, the Israeli regime reopened Al Haram Al Sharif to Muslim women and Muslim men over the age of 50 on Friday. On Sunday, the site was again reopened to Jewish worshippers, in violation of the custom that requires Jews to pray at the Al Buraq Wall, which the Israelis refer to as the Wailing Wall.

Far-right member of the Knesset (Israeli parliament), Moshe Feiglin (C) speaks on the phone walking in the old city of Jerusalem on November 2, 2014 after visiting al-Aqsa mosque compound, sacred to both Muslims and Jews. Clashes erupted in the West Bank on October 31, 2014 after weekly Muslim prayers while security forces deployed heavily around Jerusalem’s flashpoint Al-Aqsa mosque which reopened following the killing of a Palestinian by police.

On his Twitter account on Saturday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on all Knesset members to work to calm the situation at Al Haram Al Sharif and show “responsibility and restraint”. Ahmad Al Tibi, a Palestinian member of the Israeli Knesset, has rejected Netanyahu’s request for calm and restraint on the issue of Al Haram Al Sharif, holding the Israeli Prime Minister and his government fully responsible for the escalation of tension in the holy city. “My existence at Al Haram Al Sharif is normal but the existence of the extremist Jews in the holy site is incitement and provocation,” said Al Tibi in a statement.

Al Tibi said that Netanyahu, his Israeli cabinet members and MPs are playing with fire, and those officials are inflaming the situation by raiding Al Haram Al Sharif. “Round the clock Jewish attempts to change the status quo in Al Haram Al Sharif worry and disturb the lives of the Jerusalemites and all Muslims around the world,” he said. “The only solution is continuous international pressure on Netanyahu and his government and the permanent existence of Jerusalemites and Muslims inside Al Haram Al Sharif to defend it against the Jewish raids.”

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Jerusalem on edge in row over contested shrin
Nov 2,`14 -- This combustible city at the center of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been edging toward a new conflagration, with politicians on both sides stoking religious fervor over an ancient Jerusalem shrine sacred to Muslims and Jews.

After months of escalating violence, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday made his clearest attempt yet to cool tempers, saying he won't allow changes to a long-standing ban on Jewish worship at the Muslim-run site, despite such demands from ultranationalists in his coalition. Netanyahu's reassurances to Muslims came just days after the religious feud over the Old City shrine, known to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as the Temple Mount, threatened to spin out of control. Israel closed the compound for a day last week, a rare move, after a Palestinian shot and wounded a prominent activist who has campaigned for more Jewish access to the site.

Angered by the closure, Jordan, the custodian of the mosque compound, warned it might seek diplomatic sanctions unless Israel halts what a Jordanian official said were "repeated violations" at the site. The U.S. has urged Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to show restraint. Feuding over the Old City compound has sparked violence in the past, and both Netanyahu and Abbas seem leery of a new round. "It is very easy to ignite a religious fire, but much harder to extinguish it," Netanyahu told his Cabinet Sunday. It remains unclear to what extent Netanyahu is willing to clash with coalition members lobbying for a greater Jewish presence at the shrine, the holiest in Judaism as the site of former biblical temples. There's growing buzz about early elections, and hardline parties are Netanyahu's natural allies.

On Saturday evening, Housing Minister Uri Ariel of the Jewish Home party, a key coalition partner, ignored appeals to tone down the rhetoric. At a rally for Yehuda Glick, the rabbi wounded by the Palestinian gunman last week, Ariel was quoted as saying that "the status quo on the Temple Mount will change." Under that status quo, Muslim authorities reporting to Jordan continued to administer the site, home to the Al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock mosques, after east Jerusalem's capture by Israel in 1967. Jews were allowed to visit, but not to pray there. Abbas also called for calm. "We hope that this quiet will happen and that the status quo ... at the Al-Aqsa Mosque will be preserved," he said at a meeting of Palestine Liberation Organization members Sunday.

Last month, Abbas urged Palestinians to defend Al-Aqsa "by any means." Israel lambasted this as a call to violence and accused Abbas of incitement, though in Sunday's remarks Netanyahu largely blamed the Jerusalem unrest on Islamic extremists. Abbas has said repeatedly he would not allow another Palestinian uprising to erupt. His security forces have broken up Al-Aqsa solidarity marches in the West Bank that were organized by his rival, the Islamic militant group Hamas. Abbas suspects Hamas is trying to stir up unrest over the issue in an attempt to weaken him, his aides have said. Al-Aqsa is Islam's third-holiest site, after Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

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[teddyearp]

See, here is how the moslems are inciting the violence:

inciting radical Jews to continue their raids of occupied Jerusalem’s Al Aqsa mosque

Jews, radical or not, do not want to 'raid' the mosque. they just want to be able to pray on the Temple Mount. That is all.

 

[aris2chat]

Next flashpoint in Israeli/Palestinian relations?...

Status of Al Aqsa ‘will change’ - extremist Israeli politician
November 2, 2014 ~ Tibi warns that that the Israeli regime is ‘playing with fire’ in Jerusalem

Ramallah: An extremist Israeli politician who has been accused of inciting radical Jews to continue their raids of occupied Jerusalem’s Al Aqsa mosque has pledged to change the status quo at the mosque in favour of continued Jewish incursions. Right wing Israeli MP Moshe Feiglin said during his latest incursion into Islam’s third holiest site that he will work to change the status quo of the mosque to which Jews have traditionally been barred. Feiglin, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, visited the site under tight security on Sunday accompanied by a security detail appointed under orders from Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein on Thursday. Hundreds of Feiglin’s extremist supporters accompanied him on the incursion.

Israeli news site Ynet News quoted Feiglin as stating, “The fact that there is a necessity for a security escort at an hour when Arabs are walking around here freely without any fear, says more than anything who feels like a visitor here and who feels like the owner of this site. We will change this reality with the help of God.” Feiglin’s visits to Al Haram Al Sharif (which the Jews call the Temple Mount) are frequent and he is a campaigner for freedom of worship at the site for Jews. After a brief and highly controversial closure of the holy site, the Israeli regime reopened Al Haram Al Sharif to Muslim women and Muslim men over the age of 50 on Friday. On Sunday, the site was again reopened to Jewish worshippers, in violation of the custom that requires Jews to pray at the Al Buraq Wall, which the Israelis refer to as the Wailing Wall.

Far-right member of the Knesset (Israeli parliament), Moshe Feiglin (C) speaks on the phone walking in the old city of Jerusalem on November 2, 2014 after visiting al-Aqsa mosque compound, sacred to both Muslims and Jews. Clashes erupted in the West Bank on October 31, 2014 after weekly Muslim prayers while security forces deployed heavily around Jerusalem’s flashpoint Al-Aqsa mosque which reopened following the killing of a Palestinian by police.

On his Twitter account on Saturday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called on all Knesset members to work to calm the situation at Al Haram Al Sharif and show “responsibility and restraint”. Ahmad Al Tibi, a Palestinian member of the Israeli Knesset, has rejected Netanyahu’s request for calm and restraint on the issue of Al Haram Al Sharif, holding the Israeli Prime Minister and his government fully responsible for the escalation of tension in the holy city. “My existence at Al Haram Al Sharif is normal but the existence of the extremist Jews in the holy site is incitement and provocation,” said Al Tibi in a statement.

Al Tibi said that Netanyahu, his Israeli cabinet members and MPs are playing with fire, and those officials are inflaming the situation by raiding Al Haram Al Sharif. “Round the clock Jewish attempts to change the status quo in Al Haram Al Sharif worry and disturb the lives of the Jerusalemites and all Muslims around the world,” he said. “The only solution is continuous international pressure on Netanyahu and his government and the permanent existence of Jerusalemites and Muslims inside Al Haram Al Sharif to defend it against the Jewish raids.”

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See also:

Jerusalem on edge in row over contested shrin
Nov 2,`14 -- This combustible city at the center of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been edging toward a new conflagration, with politicians on both sides stoking religious fervor over an ancient Jerusalem shrine sacred to Muslims and Jews.

After months of escalating violence, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday made his clearest attempt yet to cool tempers, saying he won't allow changes to a long-standing ban on Jewish worship at the Muslim-run site, despite such demands from ultranationalists in his coalition. Netanyahu's reassurances to Muslims came just days after the religious feud over the Old City shrine, known to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as the Temple Mount, threatened to spin out of control. Israel closed the compound for a day last week, a rare move, after a Palestinian shot and wounded a prominent activist who has campaigned for more Jewish access to the site.

Angered by the closure, Jordan, the custodian of the mosque compound, warned it might seek diplomatic sanctions unless Israel halts what a Jordanian official said were "repeated violations" at the site. The U.S. has urged Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to show restraint. Feuding over the Old City compound has sparked violence in the past, and both Netanyahu and Abbas seem leery of a new round. "It is very easy to ignite a religious fire, but much harder to extinguish it," Netanyahu told his Cabinet Sunday. It remains unclear to what extent Netanyahu is willing to clash with coalition members lobbying for a greater Jewish presence at the shrine, the holiest in Judaism as the site of former biblical temples. There's growing buzz about early elections, and hardline parties are Netanyahu's natural allies.

On Saturday evening, Housing Minister Uri Ariel of the Jewish Home party, a key coalition partner, ignored appeals to tone down the rhetoric. At a rally for Yehuda Glick, the rabbi wounded by the Palestinian gunman last week, Ariel was quoted as saying that "the status quo on the Temple Mount will change." Under that status quo, Muslim authorities reporting to Jordan continued to administer the site, home to the Al-Aqsa and Dome of the Rock mosques, after east Jerusalem's capture by Israel in 1967. Jews were allowed to visit, but not to pray there. Abbas also called for calm. "We hope that this quiet will happen and that the status quo ... at the Al-Aqsa Mosque will be preserved," he said at a meeting of Palestine Liberation Organization members Sunday.

Last month, Abbas urged Palestinians to defend Al-Aqsa "by any means." Israel lambasted this as a call to violence and accused Abbas of incitement, though in Sunday's remarks Netanyahu largely blamed the Jerusalem unrest on Islamic extremists. Abbas has said repeatedly he would not allow another Palestinian uprising to erupt. His security forces have broken up Al-Aqsa solidarity marches in the West Bank that were organized by his rival, the Islamic militant group Hamas. Abbas suspects Hamas is trying to stir up unrest over the issue in an attempt to weaken him, his aides have said. Al-Aqsa is Islam's third-holiest site, after Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

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The mount was not intended by Omar to be muslim only. Al-Aqsa was built for the muslims. The Rock was a place of pilgrimage for all. Now muslims riot or attack those praying on the wall if a non-muslim steps foot on the mount.
The mount is Israel, the management of the muslim building on the mount was left to the wafq and the king of Jordan.
Tourists of all beliefs want to see the mount, the place so many believe began with Abraham and his descendants as a place to commune with God.
Palestinians might have avoided loosing access or limiting it by not throwing stones or setting fires on the "holy" mount. A lot of hate and disrespect by them in a place where the religion of peace is preached.

 

[teddyearp]

+1 ^^^^ this

 

[aris2chat]

See, here is how the moslems are inciting the violence:

inciting radical Jews to continue their raids of occupied Jerusalem’s Al Aqsa mosque

Jews, radical or not, do not want to 'raid' the mosque. they just want to be able to pray on the Temple Mount. That is all.

Praying is a way of showing respect for god (by what ever name), of trying to communicate, get closer.

 

[Phoenall]

Teddy -

Yes, it is closed from time to time, unfortunately. I've had the same problem on some visits.

My point was that most people enter the Al-Aqsa area from right next to the Wailing Wall. In doing so, what you can see is that the Wailing Wall IS one wall of the al Aqsa complex.

They are simply indivisable. They are one piece of land.

I've always thought the best solution might be placing that land under the protection of the UN as a Neutral Zone and allowing everyone to access it that way.

That was tried back in 1948 and the arab muslims did not like that idea so evicted the UN and the Jews and took over themselves. The UN should have destroyed all the building's on the mount and evicted every arab muslim from Palestine.

 

[Saigon]

Ah, so the Arab Muslims "evicted" the UN, did they?

Interesting.

You know...being wrong 50% of the time is possible for weak posters. But you are wrong too consistently, and with too obvious points. I am starting to smell a troll here.....

 

[Phoenall]

Ah, so the Arab Muslims "evicted" the UN, did they?

Interesting.

Honestly....you have to wonder about the school system these days. I wouldn't have thought there was a ten-year old in the world who wouldn't know this stuff...

So you did not know that Jerusalem was to be an International city under the jurisdiction of the UN, part of 181 I believe. Then the arab armies invaded and told the UN that Jerusalem was arab.

 

[Saigon]

Phoenell -

I think you are trolling. You are wrong too often, too consistently, and with too obvious points. Are you by any chance Palestinian yourself?

 

[Lipush]

Lets cut the crap and say it how it is.

Jews want to pray at the Temple Mount because in Israel you're supposed to have freedom of worship.

Muslims act like savages and try to scare the Jews away from their holiest of places.

Period.

 

[aris2chat]

Jews have prayed on the mount and the earth did not come to an end. Al-Aqsa the Dome and other muslim buildings did not crumble and blow away.
It really is stupid to make such an issue and threaten war because the muslims want to practice apartheid racism and separatism by trying to keep non-muslims from visiting the mount, carrying a bible, wearing a cross or star of david and opening their mount or moving their lips to speak to god/allah

Nor should muslims have any right to the mount if they are going to use it to attack jews praying at the Kotel. It is an example by not controlling the high ground can be dangerous it Israel. Why security of Israel has to be paramount to any agreement or the acceptance of a palestinian state. There should be no possibility of palestinians attacking Israel in the future, or any arab/muslim state or group.

 

[Penelope]

Lets cut the crap and say it how it is.

Jews want to pray at the Temple Mount because in Israel you're supposed to have freedom of worship.

Muslims act like savages and try to scare the Jews away from their holiest of places.

Period.

Its been the Pals and Muslims holiest place in Palestine a heck of a lot longer than the Jews, the Jews loved Babylon , remember? Lets cut the crap, the Zionist and Jews only want it now that the are there, they didn't give a hoot about it before, just to irritate the Pals. Only the zealots care to pray there anyway, most of the Jews there are secular.

 

[teddyearp]

Speaking of crap. ^^^ that post surely qualifies. Care to back that up with any links to your information, Lope?

Here is what I have:

The Jewish connection to Jerusalem is an ancient and powerful one. Judaism made Jerusalem a holy city over three thousand years ago and through all that time Jews remained steadfast to it. Jews pray in its direction, mention its name constantly in prayers, close the Passover service with the wistful statement "Next year in Jerusalem," and recall the city in the blessing at the end of each meal.

That is the Jewish claim. Here is one tiny snippet of why the moslems 'claim' Jerusalem:

Because of politics. An historical survey shows that the stature of the city, and the emotions surrounding it, inevitably rises for Muslims when Jerusalem has political significance. Conversely, when the utility of Jerusalem expires, so does its status and the passions about it. This pattern first emerged during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad in the early seventh century. Since then, it has been repeated on five occasions: in the late seventh century, in the twelfth-century Countercrusade, in the thirteenth-century Crusades, during the era of British rule (1917-48), and since Israel took the city in 1967. The consistency that emerges in such a long period provides an important perspective on the current confrontation.

Link: The Muslim Claim to Jerusalem Daniel Pipes

p.s. while some Jews stayed in Babylon, many yearned to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem and were allowed to return and do just that.

 

[teddyearp]

OK, back to the subject at hand and away from the UN and if they had control or not of the Temple Mount. If nothing else, that is ancient history by now.

I wanted to start another thread with this, but I have enough already about the tense situation about the Temple Mount for now.

Here is an op-ed (opinion piece) but it does continue with the point(s) I was making in this thread:

On October 29, 2014, some Jews in Jerusalem attended a conference to discuss bringing Jewish prayer to the Temple Mount. Currently, Jews can’t pray there.

They can’t do that because of something called ‘the status quo’. The ‘status quo’ of the Temple Mount is that Jews are forbidden to pray there. It doesn’t matter that, as Jewish activist Adina Kutnicki has said, The Temple Mount is to Jews what Mecca is to Muslims.

No one in the world would dare suggest that Muslims be banned from praying at Mecca. But everyone in the world seems to feel it’s just dandy to ban Jews from praying at their Temple Mount.

Rabbi Glick was one of the speakers at that conference. Shortly after giving his speech, an Arab man walked up to him and shot him four times.

Link: Blog Tuvia Brodie Facts deleted from the Rabbi Glick shooting story - Arutz Sheva

Now, as I said, this link I post above is an opinion piece, but the author does give some points that are easily searchable. I implore the readers to do just that.

I did one quick one about how 'far right' Yehuda Glick is and I found this:

Is Rabbi Yehuda Glick Right-Wing HonestReporting

And as for the video lope posted in #2, I still do not see how that is a valid rebuttal in this thread. Yehuda Glick was not shown to want to 'invade' the al-Aqsa mosque, nor deny any other religious group from being able to pray on the Temple Mount.

 

[Penelope]

He has stated he wants to build and altar and begin sacrifices back up. He has plans for the new temple. He has gone up before Passover carrying a sheep (symbolic he said) but the Pals are not stupid.
If freedom is the goal, they why are Muslim men of a certain age only allowed to go in the Mosque, and why can Israel close the doors to the Mosque. Whoever controls the temple mount controls Israel.

Also Jews are entering the Mosque.

Clashes erupt inside al-Aqsa compound
Palestinian protesters clash with Israeli security forces after right-wing Israelis try to storm compound.
Last updated: 05 Nov 2014 09:43
Al Jazeera's Imtiaz Tyab, reporting from Jerusalem, said Israeli security forces briefly entered the compound as clashes broke out.

"In a rare move, we understand that Israeli security forces entered the mosque at al-Aqsa mosque," he said.

Israeli police told Al Jazeera that they had only entered briefly to close the door, but our correspondent said the move was likely to heighten tensions in the Israeli-occupied east Jerusalem.

Clashes erupt inside al-Aqsa compound - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

 

[teddyearp]

That is not 'entering' the mosque, nor 'invading'. And al-jazeera has to have an anti-Israel slant to every thing they print.

 

[Penelope]

That is not 'entering' the mosque, nor 'invading'. And al-jazeera has to have an anti-Israel slant to every thing they print.

Well obviously the Pals do not have freedom of worship either, go up to the temple mount and its guarded by trigger happy IDF. What do the IDF even need to be there for, oh yes to protect the observant Jews.

 

[teddyearp]

Loope, just put a sock in it. You do not have a clue. You only regurgitate what you are spoon fed, and you don't even do that all that well.