Morality in Iran

[Baruch Menachem]

No love in the morning

In Iran, it is illegal to execute a woman who is a virgin. So the regime has specialists who take care of that problem.

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The Basiji member, who is married with children, spoke soon after his release by the Iranian authorities from detention. He had been held for the "crime" of having set free two Iranian teenagers - a 13-year-old boy and a 15-year-old girl - who had been arrested during the disturbances that have followed the disputed June presidential elections.
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"There have been many other police and members of the security forces arrested because they have shown leniency toward the protesters out on the streets, or released them from custody without consulting our superiors," he said.

Explaining how he had come to join the volunteer Basiji forces, he said his mother had taken him to them.

When he was 16, "my mother took me to a Basiji station and begged them to take me under their wing because I had no one and nothing foreseeable in my future. My father was martyred during the war in Iraq and she did not want me to get hooked on drugs and become a street thug. I had no choice," he said.

He said he had been a highly regarded member of the force, and had so "impressed my superiors" that, at 18, "I was given the 'honor' to temporarily marry young girls before they were sentenced to death."

In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by her "husband."

"I regret that, even though the marriages were legal," he said.

Why the regret, if the marriages were "legal?"

"Because," he went on, "I could tell that the girls were more afraid of their 'wedding' night than of the execution that awaited them in the morning. And they would always fight back, so we would have to put sleeping pills in their food. By morning the girls would have an empty expression; it seemed like they were ready or wanted to die.

"I remember hearing them cry and scream after [the rape] was over," he said. "I will never forget how this one girl clawed at her own face and neck with her finger nails afterwards. She had deep scratches all over her."

Returning to the events of the last few weeks, and his decision to set free the two teenage detainees, he said he "honestly" did not know why he had released them, a decision that led to his own arrest, "but I think it was because they were so young. They looked like children and I knew what would happen to them if they weren't released."

He said that while a man is deemed "responsible for his own actions at 13, for a woman it is 9," and that it was freeing the 15-year-old girl that "really got me in trouble.

"I was not mistreated or really interrogated while being detained," he said. "I was put in a tiny room and left alone. It was hard being isolated, so I spent most of my time praying and thinking about my wife and kids."

I really don't believe this requires any commentary.

 

[Sunni Man]

Your link to the Jerusalem Post explains it all.

It is basically the jewish version of the National Enquier

 

[rhodescholar]

I really don't believe this requires any commentary.

Is there really any difference between the insects/bacteria that feed on feces and the leadership of the IRI?

And I'll bet, without even reading the monkey's post, that sunni sissy's follow up post:

a-attacks the messenger b-attacks the source of the article c-tries to re-direct to another country's alleged bad behavior...or all 3....

 

[Baruch Menachem]

A and B only, but a pretty good guess.

 

[rhodescholar]

A and B only, but a pretty good guess.

LOL, tiny brains are easily predicted...

 

[PixieStix]

Islamic guidance, Iranian style meated out by Iranian revolutionary guards

Islamic guidance! AKA Morality Police

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV38dIhWvjw"]YouTube - Boy arrested for having long hair in Iran !!![/ame]

 

[manu1959]

Your link to the Jerusalem Post explains it all.

It is basically the jewish version of the National Enquier

so they do execute virgins.........

 

[L.K.Eder]

Your link to the Jerusalem Post explains it all.

It is basically the jewish version of the National Enquier

you are late with your stauffenberg avatar. he was shot on the 20th july. maybe it was 21st. too late to honor the guy. as a good american you should sport tom cruise as stauffenberg.

 

[Kalam]

Islamic guidance

Fuck off. The blame falls squarely on the Iranian government, not on the religion it exploits for political purposes.

 

[PixieStix]

Islamic guidance

The blame falls squarely on the Iranian government, not on the religion it exploits for political purposes.

The Islamic Rebublic of Iran's Constitution. First 3 articles


[SIZE=+1]Article 1[/SIZE]
The form of government of Iran is that of an Islamic Republic, endorsed by the people of Iran on the basis of their longstanding belief in the sovereignty of truth and Qur'anic justice, in the referendum of Farwardin 9 and 10 in the year 1358 of the solar Islamic calendar, corresponding to Jamadi al-'Awwal 1 and 2 in the year 1399 of the lunar Islamic calendar (March 29 and 30, 1979], through the affirmative vote of a majority of 98.2% of eligible voters, held after the victorious Islamic Revolution led by the eminent marji' al-taqlid, Ayatullah al-Uzma Imam Khumayni.
[SIZE=+1]Article 2[/SIZE]
The Islamic Republic is a system based on belief in:

• 1.the One God (as stated in the phrase "There is no god except Allah"), His exclusive sovereignty and the right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands;
  2.Divine revelation and its fundamental role in setting forth the laws;
  3.the return to God in the Hereafter, and the constructive role of this belief in the course of man's ascent towards God;
  4.the justice of God in creation and legislation;
  5.continuous leadership (imamah) and perpetual guidance, and its fundamental role in ensuring the uninterrupted process of the revolution of Islam;
  6.the exalted dignity and value of man, and his freedom coupled with responsibility before God; in which equity, justice, political, economic, social, and cultural independence, and national solidarity are secured by recourse to:
  • 1.continuous ijtihad of the fuqaha' possessing necessary qualifications, exercised on the basis off the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Ma'sumun, upon all of whom be peace;
    2.sciences and arts and the most advanced results of human experience, together with the effort to advance them further;
    3.negation of all forms of oppression, both the infliction of and the submission to it, and of dominance, both its imposition and its acceptance.

[SIZE=+1]Article 3[/SIZE]

In order to attain the objectives specified in Article 2, the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran has the duty of directing all its resources to the following goals:

• 1.the creation of a favorable environment for the growth of moral virtues based on faith and piety and the struggle against all forms of vice and corruption;
  2.raising the level of public awareness in all areas, through the proper use of the press, mass media, and other means;
  3.free education and physical training for everyone at all levels, and the facilitation and expansion of higher education;
  4.strengthening the spirit of inquiry, investigation, and innovation in all areas of science, technology, and culture, as well as Islamic studies, by establishing research centers and encouraging researchers;
  5.the complete elimination of imperialism and the prevention of foreign influence;
  6.the elimination of all forms of despotism and autocracy and all attempts to monopolize power;
  7.ensuring political and social freedoms within the framework of the law;
  8.the participation of the entire people in determining their political, economic, social, and cultural destiny;
  9.the abolition of all forms of undesirable discrimination and the provision of equitable opportunities for all, in both the material and intellectual spheres;
  10.the creation of a correct administrative system and elimination of superfluous government organizations;
  11.all round strengthening of the foundations of national defence to the utmost degree by means of universal military training for the sake of safeguarding the independence, territorial integrity, and the Islamic order of the country;
  12.the planning of a correct and just economic system, in accordance with Islamic criteria in order to create welfare, eliminate poverty, an(i abolish all forms of deprivation with respect to food, housing, work, health care, and the provision of social insurance for all;
  13.the attainment of self-sufficiency in scientific, technological, industrial, agricultural, and military domains, and other similar spheres;
  14.securing the multifarious rights of all citizens, both women and men, and providing legal protection for all, as well as the equality of-all before the law;
  15.the expansion and strengthening of Islamic brotherhood and public cooperation among all the people;
  16.framing the foreign policy of the country on the basis of Islamic criteria, fraternal commitment to all Muslims, and unsparing support to the mustad'afiin of the world.

 

[Kalam]

Allow me to make things as simple as possible for you:

Islamic guidance

Fuck off. The blame falls squarely on the Iranian government, not on the religion it exploits for political purposes.

Let me know if you need me to read it out loud and send you a recording.

 

[PixieStix]

Allow me to make things as simple as possible for you:



Fuck off. The blame falls squarely on the Iranian government, not on the religion it exploits for political purposes.
Let me know if you need me to read it out loud and send you a recording.

So did Mohammed

I have the recorded history, thank you for offering though

 

[Kalam]

So did Mohammed

Fail.

I have the recorded history, thank you for offering though

No problem - I'm willing to go out of my way to help those with acute mental insufficiencies.

 

[PixieStix]

Allow me to make things as simple as possible for you:

Islamic guidance

Fuck off. The blame falls squarely on the Iranian government, not on the religion it exploits for political purposes.

Let me know if you need me to read it out loud and send you a recording.

So did Mohammed

Fail.

I have the recorded history, thank you for offering though

No problem - I'm willing to go out of my way to help those with acute mental insufficiencies.

Wow, a great intellectual and proven argument there Kalam. Personal attacks will get ya noticed and lots of rep points..go you

 

[Kalam]

Wow, a great intellectual and proven argument there Kalam. Personal attacks will get ya noticed and lots of rep points..go you

Sitting through one of fitnut's copy-and-paste sessions has temporarily drained me of any desire to put effort into my responses. The asininity of your posts in that thread wasn't exactly helpful either. I don't care about rep. If you want something more civil and substantive, wait until tomorrow.

 

[PixieStix]

Wow, a great intellectual and proven argument there Kalam. Personal attacks will get ya noticed and lots of rep points..go you

Sitting through one of fitnut's copy-and-paste sessions has temporarily drained me of any desire to put effort into my responses. The asininity of your posts in that thread wasn't exactly helpful either. I don't care about rep. If you want something more civil and substantive, wait until tomorrow.

I am tired too. I know how this debate can drain one of energy. I worked 12 hours then got online..shees

Ok. Good night. Take care. I mean that

 

[Baruch Menachem]

From what i understand of Islam, Iran isn't that far off base from the religion. From what I see, it is not a healthy belief system. Not so bad as the folks out in TN who play with poisonis snakes as a test of faith, and about on par with David Koresh for logic. The life of Mohammad is to morality what the songs of the minstrel for Sir Brian from Monty Python's Holy Grail is to courage..... but!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8]YouTube - Brave Sir Robin[/ame]

It must be noted that all religions are afflicted by those in power who are more interested in personal power than in following the actual precepts of religion. Christianity has such heros as Pope Julius II. and other too many to list. The 30 years war was not a good testament to Christian charity, justice or compasson. So while I agree that Iran is Islam, not all Islam is Iran.

 

[rhodescholar]

Sitting through one of fitnut's copy-and-paste sessions has temporarily drained me of any desire to put effort into my responses. The asininity of your posts in that thread wasn't exactly helpful either. I don't care about rep. If you want something more civil and substantive, wait until tomorrow.

Islam is a death cult for the mentally weak and morally invalid.

 

[The_Halfmoon]

I have heard rumors of this but I'm not sure of it

however, i know that many men marry women temporarily in a process orignally called Muttah. It is allowed by Shia Islam, but not Sunni. It often is a pretext for prostitution, but most clerics will only marry a couple for 6 months.

You can have more than one wife and do this, and there is a nice Swedish documentary on it on youtube (prostitution behind the veil I believe it is called)

Marjane Satrapi also commented on it in her comics and the movie "Persepolis" where young communist girls were killed after being married and raped.

 

[The_Halfmoon]

Sitting through one of fitnut's copy-and-paste sessions has temporarily drained me of any desire to put effort into my responses. The asininity of your posts in that thread wasn't exactly helpful either. I don't care about rep. If you want something more civil and substantive, wait until tomorrow.

Islam is a death cult for the mentally weak and morally invalid.

though I hate Islam, I can't agree with that statement... Islam is a very attractive religion, and nobody is too intelligent or educated to avoid its temptation if the proper conditions apply

of course, it does help if the alternate choice to conversion is beheading