Moral Relativism Revealed

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    OK. It's real popular on the left these days to ridicule the very notion of right and wrong. They say it's wrong to believe in right and wrong. Isn't that a moral code in and of itself? It is and the only sin it recognizes is having convictions.

    Moral Relativism is a way of removing discussion of right and wrong from public discourse, by villifying those with any fixed point of view and the ability and motivation to defend it. This is the left's way of reducing humanity to an unthinking quivering mass, unsure of itself, malleable to the whims of the self appointed liberal elite. There's nothing open minded about it. It's sinister and sick, and ultimately detrimental to society.
     
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    "Wrong to believe in right and wrong"

    That is not a moral statement. The first "wrong" in that statement is not a moral claim like the second is.

    I don't believe that most people who do not believe in a universal idea of right and wrong would use that word to denounce it. Probably more along the lines of:

    "It is not factually accurate to believe in the concepts of right and wrong"

    Or something like that.
     
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    Nice try. but no. They think it is morally wrong to have a fixed set of beliefs. They believe it is closeminded and well, WRONG in the moral sense. They most certainly do. I've talked to them. I've read their crap. It's just a way of convincing people to turn off their own judgement in deference to the dictates of government. It most certainly is.
     
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    There is no right or wrong, good or evil, except for anything that disagrees with their point of view.

    You can't call homosexuality wrong, but if you want to defend traditional marriage you're an evil homophobic bigot.

    Letting people keep more of their own money is selfish and wrong. It's perfectly alright to steal productive people's income and give it to individuals who have done nothing to deserve it.

    You can't call the Soviet Union evil, because that's wrong; it's just another ideology. Oh, and capitalism is greedy and evil.

    You can't discriminate against minorities, but opposing discriminating in favor of minorities makes you a hateful evil person.

    President Clinton commited U.S. military forces more than any other single President in the history of our country, with no discernable gain, and not a word. President Bush liberates 50 million people with two campaigns and is the evilest man alive.
     
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    Scathing, man, Scathing!

    :clap: :clap: :clap:

    Thanks for adding some concreteness to the mix!
     
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    Right and wrong...good an evil...These concepts rest upon the consequences of one's action's to another. Actions which lead to the harm of oneself , another, or both are wrong and/or evil. Actions which are beneficial to oneself, another or both are right and/or good. With such an objective standard, moral relativism is not an issue. There is no arbitrary, capricious divine will dictating morality, which is true moral relativism.
     
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    Abortion harms babies.
    socialism causes economies to shrink, forcing people out of work and into starvation; this is also harmful. Please show how your own views are consistent with your own stated metric, the metric of harm.
     
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    You don't know me...You don't know my "metric". Abortion terminates a pregnancy, it doesn't kill a baby...Socialism has long been proven a failure.
     
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    Then why continue to advocate it? Changing its name doesnt make it better. Socialism is still socialism. Just like Abortion is still infanticide.

    Relative truth is BS. The whole concept of relative truth is defeated in a simple logical proof.

    1) There is no absolute truth
    2) Statement 1 is an Absolute truth
    3)Law of contradiction says that statement 1 cannot be true.

    Hence there has to be absolute truth.

    That is just the first problem with the relativists. Thats hardly the last.
     
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    You said yourself you judge policy by harm. That is your metric. I know this about you because you said it.

    RE: "terminates a pregnancy" v. "Kill a baby", covering over the truth with better sounding words doesn't change the truth of what abortion is. It's killling live babies. Maybe you believe your lies, but we don't

    Socialism is a proven failure, yet libs still keep espousing it.

    What exactly is wrong with your brain bully. You've been saying the same crap for months and having it wholly and effectively refuted again and again, and again... try learning.
     
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