Modicum of Respect

[wihosa]

The flame zone is for inflammatory material, not solely one member attacking another. The purpose of that forum is to AVOID censorship. On most other boards I have been a member of, most inflammatory threads, posts have no home, and either deleted or the thread locked. Correct?

We took the extra step here of giving it a place to exist without censoring, and STILL we have members bitching.

It is the responsibility of the staff members of this board to, as you call it "editorialize" in an attempt to maintain some semblence of order. There is not simply a single forum in which all topics go. What the problem is with putting topics in the subforums they fall under is a mystery to me in most cases.

Not in this case. The inherent problem in this case is conspiracy theorists don't see their beliefs as conspiracies and demand legitimacy. So, just as there is a flame zone to preclude most censorship, a conspiracy theories forum was created.

In all actuality, every effort has been made here to do exactly the opposite of what we (I) am being accused of. Conspiracy theorists have their very own subforum to push their beliefs. That as opposed to most boards where they are ridiculed, run off the board, and or their posts pigeonholed, closed or deleted. That they don't like the fact that their beliefs are labelled exactly what they are is too bad. Just another perfect example of seeing the hole instead of the donut.

Again you fail to answer my original question "What do you consider to be inflammatory".

Thou doth protest too much.

 

[wihosa]

I do not own this board. Manuel is the owner. I am the administrator.

If your statement is a relativist one, complete censorship at one end and total anarchy on the other, then you are correct. Within the context of the nature of the board (political), freedom of expression is maximized and allowed as much as possible.

It is impossible however to cater to everyone's specific desires, so there will always be the squeaky wheels and naysayers; especially, the more extreme those specific beliefs/desires become.

What I do know from experience is when half the threads on the board contain comments by people who are by almost anyone's standards blithering idiots, intelligent debators leave. You have made comment yourself on more than one occasion as to the quality of some of the members here, so you know what I mean.

Is not one member continually posting the same baseless rhetoric, accusations and insults practicing his/her own form of censorship by stifling an intelligent member who wishes to debate a topic on merit? When 2,3 -or-more members of one political group gang up on one member and shout that member down not for being wrong but for not agreeing with the former group, is that not a form of censorship?

I don't really consider putting like threads on a given topic in a forum titled after that given topic as "editorializing." More like filing.

When I find someone's arguments to lack logic or reason I simply do not answer. I find no need to resort to ad hominin attacks.

How exactly can a group of people shout down on a posting board? Out number maybe, but anyone interestsed in what one has to say can easily see and read all posts.

 

[Denny Crane]

Although I've only been here a short time I find it would be nearly impossible to claim anyone is being censored on this forum given some of the posts I've read since joining.

 

[wihosa]

Although I've only been here a short time I find it would be nearly impossible to claim anyone is being censored on this forum given some of the posts I've read since joining.

Fair enough, but you have to admit moving a thread to a forum which could seem unrelated to the poster could make it hard to find.

I still can't find the "Flame Zone"

 

[Annie]

Fair enough, but you have to admit moving a thread to a forum which could seem unrelated to the poster could make it hard to find.

I still can't find the "Flame Zone"

In the Taunting Area, along with conspiracy theories.

If memory serves Gunny's point was about flaming titles of threads. The Flame Zone cannot be 'seen' by guests, people who might be good posters, see the nonsense titles and go find somewhere else.

Not only may he be bored with the baiting, it's not a good reflection on the board.

 

[Denny Crane]

Fair enough, but you have to admit moving a thread to a forum which could seem unrelated to the poster could make it hard to find.

I still can't find the "Flame Zone"

Well, finding a thread or a reply to a thread you are watching might be made easy via your e-mail notification feature. Like I saw mentioned before it has to do more with it being looked at as a filing system for putting a thread in what the admin considers the right sub-forum.

Here is a link to the Flame Zone.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/

 

[greenpartyaz]

Maybe you should not spend your time worrying about I run this board. If you want to push conspiracy theories, there is a subforum titled conspiracy theories. If you don't like the fact that I, or most any other rational human being views them as conspiracy theories, tough, huh?

I haven't claimed to own anything. This entire thread is nothing more than pure bullshit. Moving threads to appropriately titled subforums is in no way, shape nor form censorship except in the childlike minds of at least two of you who think if your thread isn't on the top in the first subforum in the linear order then you are being censored.

Every topic cannot appear first in the linear order. Get over it. That's just the way it is.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
Pissing me off is infammatory.

I didn't say a damned thing about whether or not I agreed with your delusional, political extremism, did I?

Moving such a thread to the flame zone is in fact NOT censoring you. It's putting inflammatory material where it goes.

This is a privately owned message board. You have no right to free speech so sing that song to someone else.

You said it yourself, I didn't make that up, it is in your original post. You said, "This is a privately owned message board. You have no right to free speech so sing that song to someone else."

 

[Gunny]

Who's accusing? Those are questions.

Would not the appropriate forum be the one which the poster decided to post in?

No. The appropriate forum would be decided by subject matter.

Your words ("the fact I consider those theories to be completely worthless") belie your stated objectivness.

Hardly. My personal opinion has nothing to do with it.

Again you fail to answer my original question "What do you consider to be inflammatory".

Thou doth protest too much.

Protest too much? To the contrary, rather than ban you for questioning a staff member's decision in a public forum on this board, I have chosen to allow you to voice your complaint publicly.

I think your complaint is petty, whiney, and based on your extremist political views.

When I find someone's arguments to lack logic or reason I simply do not answer. I find no need to resort to ad hominin attacks.

How exactly can a group of people shout down on a posting board? Out number maybe, but anyone interestsed in what one has to say can easily see and read all posts.

If you want to try and play a game of semantics, try loading your weapon with some ammunition first. Obvious to anyone except some jackass attempting to play word games is that "shouting someone down" is a figure of speech.

But then, you know that. You're just being purposefully obtuse.

Bottom line: I, as well as all other members of the USMB staff move threads inappropriately placed/misplaced by members in the forum(s) I/they believe they go in and if you don't like it, too damned bad. That's how it is.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding on your part as to how it works.

I'm through defending myself to some whiney little shit who isn't getting his way.

 

[Gunny]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
Pissing me off is infammatory.

I didn't say a damned thing about whether or not I agreed with your delusional, political extremism, did I?

Moving such a thread to the flame zone is in fact NOT censoring you. It's putting inflammatory material where it goes.

This is a privately owned message board. You have no right to free speech so sing that song to someone else.

You said it yourself, I didn't make that up, it is in your original post. You said, "This is a privately owned message board. You have no right to free speech so sing that song to someone else."

What I said is NOT the context in which you repeated it back. You have no right to free speech on a privately owned message board. It's as simple as that. You have a right to whatever freedom of speech the board owner allows you to have.

I did not say "this is a site where you do not have any freedom of speech here." That would be YOUR exact words; which, do not convey the same message I did.

Not even a good try.

 

[Bootneck]

You said it yourself, I didn't make that up, it is in your original post. You said, "This is a privately owned message board. You have no right to free speech so sing that song to someone else."

Give it a rest mate. Haven't you anything worthwhile to add to this board, or is it your ambition to continue to underwhelm us with your meaningless and misguided rhetoric?

Chill out and make an attempt at reasonable debate.

 

[DiveCon]

Would not the appropriate forum be the one which the poster decided to post in?

no

 

[wihosa]

No. The appropriate forum would be decided by subject matter.



Hardly. My personal opinion has nothing to do with it.



Protest too much? To the contrary, rather than ban you for questioning a staff member's decision in a public forum on this board, I have chosen to allow you to voice your complaint publicly.

I think your complaint is petty, whiney, and based on your extremist political views.



If you want to try and play a game of semantics, try loading your weapon with some ammunition first. Obvious to anyone except some jackass attempting to play word games is that "shouting someone down" is a figure of speech.

But then, you know that. You're just being purposefully obtuse.

Bottom line: I, as well as all other members of the USMB staff move threads inappropriately placed/misplaced by members in the forum(s) I/they believe they go in and if you don't like it, too damned bad. That's how it is.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding on your part as to how it works.

I'm through defending myself to some whiney little shit who isn't getting his way.

Well you have labeled me "a political extremist and a whiney little shit" but you still have not answered my logical and legitimate question, so I repeat it again; What do you consider inflammitory?

Please give a simply, logical, concise answer. If you can't, don't bother saying anything else.

 

[DiveCon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunny View Post
Pissing me off is infammatory.

I didn't say a damned thing about whether or not I agreed with your delusional, political extremism, did I?

Moving such a thread to the flame zone is in fact NOT censoring you. It's putting inflammatory material where it goes.

This is a privately owned message board. You have no right to free speech so sing that song to someone else.

You said it yourself, I didn't make that up, it is in your original post. You said, "This is a privately owned message board. You have no right to free speech so sing that song to someone else."

thats exactly what he said
you dont have a RIGHT, as in a constitutional right

nor do you have a constitutional right to not be offended
so go ahead and be offended all you want

 

[wihosa]

no

So ther person who wrote the post has no idea what they intended to write about?

Very logical.

 

[Gunny]

Well you have labeled me "a political extremist and a whiney little shit" but you still have not answered my logical and legitimate question, so I repeat it again; What do you consider inflammitory?

Please give a simply, logical, concise answer. If you can't, don't bother saying anything else.

LMAO! You sure do have a big idea of whoever it is you think you are. Now you presume to tell me what I can and cannot say?

I have not responded to your question quite simply for the reason that whatever I say, you will make a point of taking issue with. If one of the moderators or I consider language inflammatory -- and we DO lean WAY to the liberal side of things where titles are concerned -- then it's inflammatory language. That would include baseless accusations and/or flat-out lies. Purely a judgement call, and we're getting paid the big bucks to make them.

You really need to quit insulting my intelligence, as well as your own, and just follow the rules of the board. Those are the written ones and any guidance you may be given by a moderator or admin.

You're not stupid. That's obvious. You ARE a political extremist. That too is obvious. This board isn't the 12th District Court of Appeals. We don't cater to extremists at the expense of the majority.

Feel free to do yourself a favor and give this shit a rest anytime you like.

 

[greenpartyaz]

LMAO! You sure do have a big idea of whoever it is you think you are. Now you presume to tell me what I can and cannot say?

I have not responded to your question quite simply for the reason that whatever I say, you will make a point of taking issue with. If one of the moderators or I consider language inflammatory -- and we DO lean WAY to the liberal side of things where titles are concerned -- then it's inflammatory language. That would include baseless accusations and/or flat-out lies. Purely a judgement call, and we're getting paid the big bucks to make them.

You really need to quit insulting my intelligence, as well as your own, and just follow the rules of the board. Those are the written ones and any guidance you may be given by a moderator or admin.

You're not stupid. That's obvious. You ARE a political extremist. That too is obvious. This board isn't the 12th District Court of Appeals. We don't cater to extremists at the expense of the majority.

Feel free to do yourself a favor and give this shit a rest anytime you like.

Although this board does cater to the republicans, conservatives, and there is a peppering of democrats and a small amount of liberals allowed to post, to make this board appear fair and balanced. It is the same trick that Fox News likes to pull. All of your little buddies like to gang up on people who have dissenting views to your own misguided political rhetoric, are either labeled "extremists" or "socialists" or "liberals." As for your previous post, I didn't take anything out of context. You said it in your own words. I can re post it if you like? And for an administrator, isn't your job to remain neutral in discussion, unless there is a violation of board policy, such as threats, graphic porn, or derogatory innuendo, being posted. And I think it is very unbecoming of someone who is a representative of this board staff, calling someone a "little shit." "I'm through defending myself to some whiny little shit who isn't getting his way." Gunny And isn't it false advertising to promote this site as a place where your voices count? Remember we have no right, constitutional or not, to free speech here as the administrator sees fit. So which is it Gunny?

 

[Glori.B]

Although this board does cater to the republicans, conservatives, and there is a peppering of democrats and a small amount of liberals allowed to post

you're kidding, right?

 

[Gunny]

Although this board does cater to the republicans, conservatives, and there is a peppering of democrats and a small amount of liberals allowed to post, to make this board appear fair and balanced. It is the same trick that Fox News likes to pull. All of your little buddies like to gang up on people who have dissenting views to your own misguided political rhetoric, are either labeled "extremists" or "socialists" or "liberals." As for your previous post, I didn't take anything out of context. You said it in your own words. I can re post it if you like? And for an administrator, isn't your job to remain neutral in discussion, unless there is a violation of board policy, such as threats, graphic porn, or derogatory innuendo, being posted. And I think it is very unbecoming of someone who is a representative of this board staff, calling someone a "little shit." "I'm through defending myself to some whiny little shit who isn't getting his way." Gunny And isn't it false advertising to promote this site as a place where your voices count? Remember we have no right, constitutional or not, to free speech here as the administrator sees fit. So which is it Gunny?

You just don't know when to quit, do you?

First off, your opinion that this board caters to conservatives is a joke. There are FAR more liberals currently active on this board than conservatives.

Secondly, now you presume to tell me what my responsibilities are as an administrator? And why is it always someone that has a case of the ass about how the board is run that pulls that lame-ass telling me what my responsibilities are? And don't feel lonely in the lifeboat, I hear the same bullshit about my liberal moderators.

The fact is, you just don't like the rules. Too bad, huh? Go start your own board.

When I engage in a political discussion on this board as a member of this board, I most certainly do not have to remain neutral. Kind of negates political debate, doesn't it?

And once again we come back to your bullshit accusation, taking my words out of context even though you have been proven to have done so more than once, and have you to admit your intellectual dishonesty in twisting my words.

How you can continue to post such an obvious bullshit accusation is beyond me. You only continue to make a fool of yourself.

Let me dumb this down for you. Thsi discussion is over since obviously you are arguing merely for the sake of argument and some convoluted view of yourself as some kind of standardbearer for the oppressed.

You can abide by the rules or leave. You can accept how this board is run my the USMB staff or you can leave. If you question moderator/administrator actions in a public forum in the future you will be banned for doing so. If you have a question concerning a moderator/administrator action, you may address your concern via PM.

The terms are non-negotiable. You can make the best of what is offered here or you can go away. The choice is yours.