Moderate Muslims are the problem

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  1. Quantum Windbag
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    A well thought out and well written argument about why Islam does not need more moderate Muslims.


    My favorite quote, and what I keep trying to tell all the people that defend Islam unconditionally.



    Islam Needs Reformists, Not 'Moderates' - WSJ.com


    I fully expect the knee jerk Left to not only accuse me of Islamaphobia, but to ignore the fact that the guy who wrote this is a Muslim. This is the kind of Muslim I support, not the extremists or the moderates. Hopefully a few people will read this and think for themselves.
     
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    What's a "moderate muslim"? Is that the kind of muslim who doesn't blow anyone up but beats his wife according to the Koran?
     
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    A "moderate muslim" is a contradiction in terms.
     
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    The error you and the cited author make is assuming Muslims are somehow responsible for the actions of criminals who happen to be Muslim; it’s as idiotic as saying Christians are somehow responsible for Timothy McVeigh or Terry Nichols, or neo-Nazis, the KKK, or militia groups.

    Again: all terrorists are criminals – period; their religion is incidental and irrelevant.
     
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    Really?
     
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    Just as I thought.

    The author happens to be an imam. Are you saying he is so ignorant of Islam that he does not understand the difference? Did you even consider for a millisecond the possibility that you might not know what you are talking about?

    I can tolerate a lot of idiocy, but willful ignorance is one thing I will never tolerate.
     
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    In addition to being a rhetorical fallacy, the notion that members of a given religious group are responsible for the actions of a criminal minority is repugnant to our Constitutional tenet of religious tolerance and judicial doctrine of individual responsibility.
     
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    So, again, you know more about Islam than a guy that actually teaches it.

    Tell you what, go back and actually read the article, consider the points, and remember that Martin Luther King actually made the exact same point this guy is making. There are times in life when being a moderate will not work, because we are responsible for the actions of others if we do not prevent them. You cannot sit by and watch evil, not speak up, and then argue that you wanted to stop it.
     
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    The author of the article Irshad Manji is not an Imam.

    Irshad Manji is a woman.

    In fact she is a radical feminist and an open lesbian.

    Who walks around with a short dyke style haircut.

    No Muslims pay any attention to her and her idiotic rants and nonsense.

    Unfortunately gullible people in the west. Listen to her and buy her books.

    And think that she is some kind of spokesman in the Islamic community. :cuckoo:
     
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    Don’t be such a fanatic!
    What is the ruling on a person who, when he is advised with regard to an action which goes against sharee’ah, immediately says, “Don’t be such a fanatic and so extreme; be moderate.” We hope you can explain what moderation is.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    Whoever is advised concerning something that is haraam according to sharee’ah, so that he can avoid it or give it up, or is told of an obligation so that he can fulfil it, then he says something like this, is doing wrong.

    What he should do, if he is advised, is to thank the person who has offered the advice, then he should look at himself and if the advice was justified, then he should avoid the haraam thing and do what is obligatory. As far as his comment “you are a fanatic” is concerned, fanaticism, laxity and moderation are all to be understood in reference to sharee’ah. Whatever is in accordance with sharee’ah is moderate; whatever exceeds that is extreme and whatever falls short of that is laxity.
    The standard in all cases is sharee’ah and the meaning of moderation is that which is in accordance with the sharee’ah. Whatever is in accordance with sharee’ah is moderate.

    Islam Question and Answer - Don
     

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