Mitt Romney's claim that repealing "Obamacare would save 95 billion in 2016, debunked

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    PolitiFact | Mitt Romney said repealing 'Obamacare' would save $95 billion in 2016


    The lie:

    The truth:

    Repeal would actually do the opposite, it seems that Republitards are not very fiscally responsible at all. They need to go back to math class and or stop believing all those lies that their staff keeps telling them
     
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    The REPUBLICANS,WERE,ARE and ALWAYS WILL BE............................................,BANANA REPUBLICANS........THESE MONKEYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO REPRESENT THINKING AMERICANS........least of all Romney,or when I change the R to a K..Komney,then just jumble the letters around........I get Monkey...FUNNY THAT...SAY NO TO MONKEY....oops I MEAN ROMNEY aka MONKEYMAN.



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    A) Politifact is the biggest left wing liberal lying entity OWNED by St. Pete Times which is also known for it's communist leanings as "Pravada WEST !

    B) Even dumocrat like you have to agree with this statement..
    Based on the following words .. actual quote from Obama :
    Obama said in 2003:
    “I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program.”
    Barack Obama on single payer in 2003 | Physicians for a National Health Program

    Would you agree if Obama favors ONE payer that means 1,400 private health insurance companies are out of business?

    C) These 1,400 private health insurance companies PAY in Federal income taxes, state income/sales taxes , local income/sales taxes a local property taxes over $100 billion A YEAR!!!

    D) If $100 billion a year is no longer paid by these insurance companies in:
    1) Federal income taxes
    2) State income/sales taxes
    3) Local income/sales taxes
    4) local property taxes...
    WHERE WILL the $100 billion a year come from to replace it???
     
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    Sure politifact is left wing, thats why they even factcheck a debunk some of Obama's claims.
     
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    Much easier way to tell when Obama's lying.

    His lips are moving.

    Anyway, a couple thoughts.

    First, Romney isn't going to repeal Obominationcare. He invented it. He'll tweak it so big insurance will make more money on the deal, but that's about it.

    Second, the real problem hasn't been addressed by anyone's plan.
     
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    So now sellouts like you and poleftifact are calling CBO projections "facts" ? :lol:
     
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    Well the BIGGEST 800 lb gorilla in the room no one seems to address has been frequently identified by the people that create the most health care claims, i.e. physicians!
    The Problem? $600 billion a YEAR in "Defensive Medicine Practice" all because physicians fear LAWSUITS!
    I don't understand why idiots who evidently can't take the experts i.e. physicians word i.e. THIS study for example:

    Nine out of 10 physicians 90%!!! reported practicing defensive medicine.
    Doctors Estimate Defensive Medicine Costs Americans $650-850 Billion Annually!
    Doctors Practice Medicine in Fear, New Study Finds

    FACTS: Emergency room physicians practice Defensive medicine..
    1) More than half (53 percent) of emergency physicians reported that fear of lawsuits is the main reason for ordering the number of tests they do.

    Emergency Visits Are Increasing, New Poll Finds; Many Patients Referred by Primary Care Doctors

    So where is the OUTRAGE by the OWS crowd?
    This affects THEM more directly then anything else!
    $600 billion a year spent just because of FEAR of being sued!

    OUTRAGEOUS that this was NOT addressed in Obamacare simply because the millionaire lawyers gave Obama/DemCongress $300 million in 2008!
     
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    Your party is the party of false claims and distortions you house Negro, you are noticeably silent on the lying in your party.
     
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    Defensive medicine is defined as providing medical services that are not expected to benefit the patient but that are undertaken to minimize the risk of a subsequent lawsuit. Diagnostic defensive medicine practices have a much greater impact on costs than do therapeutic defensive practices.

    The study quoted most often is by Daniel P. Kessler and Mark B. McClellan. To really understand actual costs, Kessler and McClellan analyzed the effects of malpractice liability reforms using data on Medicare beneficiaries who were treated for serious heart disease. They found that liability reforms could reduce defensive medicine practices, leading to a 5 percent to 9 percent reduction in medical expenditures without any effect on mortality or medical complications.

    If the Kessler and McClellan estimates were applied to total U.S. healthcare spending in 2005, the defensive medicine costs would total between $100 billion and $178 billion per year. Add to this the cost of defending malpractice cases, paying compensation, and covering additional administrative costs (a total of $29.4 billion). Thus, the average American family pays an additional $1,700 to $2,000 per year in healthcare costs simply to cover the costs of defensive medicine.
    The cost of defensive medicine

    NOTE the above was based on 2005 health care expenditures of $1.987 trillion.
    Using 2010 expenditures of $2.555 trillion that would be over $230 billion in "defensive medicine"!
    Physicians estimate $1 of every $4 spent on health care is defensive medicine or 25% or over $600 billion...
    Either way a large chunk of health care costs is simply out of FEAR of being sued!
     
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    It's also quite straightforward to spot your lies. Each and every post.

    Moron.
     

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