Mitt Romney asked about Republican Poor, says "I'm not trying to help them".

[CrusaderFrank]

Romney's out to get me, I can feel it in my fins and flippers

 

[RDD_1210]

Since when do you get involved in spewing spin?

What spin? I'm referring to Romneys stance on taxes. I made no comment on what he may or may not have said on Morning Joe.

He is not looking to increase taxes on the poor...he never said anything of the kind. That is spin.

What does it mean to "broaden the tax base"?

 

[OldUSAFSniper]

It all comes down to the basic difference between Republicans and the current crop of Democratic-Socialists.

Republicans believe that life is like a race. Everyone should have a fair START in the race. We don't think that anyone should be held back because of their race, national origin, etc. But we also believe that once the race starts, you're on your own IF you have the physical and mental capabilities to run the race. Unless someone else in the race physically interferes with you, we want you to run the race yourself. Heck, you don't even have to run the race. When the gun goes off, if you want, you can sit down at the starting line and refuse to participate. That's YOUR decision. But we insist that you suffer the consequences of YOUR decision OR your inability to make a decision. If you run the race well, then you get the prize.

Now the Socialist-Democrats are a different breed. Naturally, a race involves competition which is by definition, not fair. So to make these sissy-boys happy, we have to remove any referrences to life being a race. You can't even call it a race anymore, because of course a 'race' is culturally insensitive. It is a "Group Speed Endeavor" in which prizes MUST be awarded for participation. ANY level of participation. But of course, if you're a Socialist-Democrat, even if you don't want to run the race, then the rest of us have to pick your lazy ass up and carry you along with us. And if by some unforeseen turn of events, if you should happen to cross the finish line first, then of course you are EVIL and you obviously have done something WRONG to finish ahead of the pack because before the race we did every thing in our power to ensure that you wouldn't finish first. To be absolutely fair, if you are in the top 10% of finishers, you have to GIVE your prize to those that are being carried across the finish line by the others. Oh, and if you are one of the top 10% of finishers, you are also racist, exploitative, and hate the less fortunate.

It's so predictable... rdean is like one of those dolls with a string hanging out of his back. Pull it and it will say one of ten socialist slogans...

"Republicans want dirty air and water"...

 

[Jarhead]

Are they? How would Romney, the guy who paid a smaller percentage of taxes on his 21 million dollars than I did on my pittance, know anything about the very poor?

Now the Tea Baggers are trying to paint being poor as a good thing "They're doing just fine".

Wow.

There are no limits to their deceit are there?

The "They're doing just fine." refers to the wealthy, you fucking moron. Try basic comprehension classes.

Idiot.

You're right, it does, my bad.

However, he fails to include the very poor in his "90 to 95% of Americans that are struggling".

Why?

Part of the GOP agenda is to reduce and remove that "safety net" for the poor, how does that play into his speech?

That is not part of the GOP agenda. That is spin.

The GOP agenda is to stop the INCREASING of the safety net for we can not afford it as a country...

The GOP agenda is all about reforming current programs to lessen the debt....and find a way to do it with as little impact on the people as possible.

 

[Two Thumbs]

No he doesn't. Romney wants to "broaden the tax base", which is republican speak for making more of the poor and lower middle class pay more.

I get more back than I pay in.

Please tell me how it's fair that your money is put in my pocket.

Yeah, you've mentioned that before. I asked you a question and you ignored it. So I'll try again.

Why don't you send that money back if you disagree with it?

I have no idea how to do so.


and how would that fix the inequality? Each year the government would have to spend money to put the money back in, while we live with a system that will keep giving me and millions of others, more than they should get.

 

[RDD_1210]

I get more back than I pay in.

Please tell me how it's fair that your money is put in my pocket.

Yeah, you've mentioned that before. I asked you a question and you ignored it. So I'll try again.

Why don't you send that money back if you disagree with it?

I have no idea how to do so.


and how would that fix the inequality? Each year the government would have to spend money to put the money back in, while we live with a system that will keep giving me and millions of others, more than they should get.

Just write a check and send it off. Seems to me you didn't try very hard to figure it out.

So how much should you pay? I don't know your particulars but I'm guessing you don't earn very much. How much extra would you like to pay each year?

 

[Mr Natural]

but he is targeting the rich for tax cuts

I never got a job from a poor man. Have you?

I hope my employer gets tax cuts because that means more benefits for me and my fellow workers. I just might be able to go out and buy that big screen TV I want!

If the only thing standing between you and that big screen TV is a tax cut, then you might want to rethink your financial planning.

 

[Jarhead]

What spin? I'm referring to Romneys stance on taxes. I made no comment on what he may or may not have said on Morning Joe.

He is not looking to increase taxes on the poor...he never said anything of the kind. That is spin.

What does it mean to "broaden the tax base"?

I am waiting to find out...he does not have my vote yet by any means.....but only a partisan would think he means to increase the taxes n the poor....

But let me ask you this......lets say he or ANYONE were to increase taxes on the poor as you claim is his agenda....

So they go from paying no taxes to...say....1000 a year.

How the hell can that have any affect on our deficit and our debt? Why would ANYONE think it is politically expedient to starve the children of the poor so he can take credit for decreasing the debt by 100 million dollars when it is 15 trillion dollars?

 

[Jarhead]

Yeah, you've mentioned that before. I asked you a question and you ignored it. So I'll try again.

Why don't you send that money back if you disagree with it?

I have no idea how to do so.


and how would that fix the inequality? Each year the government would have to spend money to put the money back in, while we live with a system that will keep giving me and millions of others, more than they should get.

Just write a check and send it off. Seems to me you didn't try very hard to figure it out.

So how much should you pay? I don't know your particulars but I'm guessing you don't earn very much. How much extra would you like to pay each year?

why would you exepct someone with a low income to give money back when one of the wealthiest men in the country who says he does not pay enough in taxes doesnt pay more fout of the goodness of his heart?

What about Obama...he pays 15% cap gains...does he write a check every year and give it as charity to the IRS?

He feels it is too low also....are you asking him why he doesnt give more to prove his sentimetnts?

 

[RDD_1210]

He is not looking to increase taxes on the poor...he never said anything of the kind. That is spin.

What does it mean to "broaden the tax base"?

I am waiting to find out...he does not have my vote yet by any means.....but only a partisan would think he means to increase the taxes n the poor....

Why would only a partisan think that? Now, you're not using your brain. Think about it logically. What does "broaden the tax base" sound like? broaden means expand, tax base, refering to the bottom end of the tax brackets. You're smart enough to figure this out. Only a partisan wouldn't at least acknowledge what he is getting at.

But let me ask you this......lets say he or ANYONE were to increase taxes on the poor as you claim is his agenda....

So they go from paying no taxes to...say....1000 a year.

How the hell can that have any affect on our deficit and our debt? Why would ANYONE think it is politically expedient to starve the children of the poor so he can take credit for decreasing the debt by 100 million dollars when it is 15 trillion dollars?

Really? Look at all the people on this site alone. The right wing fringe who are bellyaching over the poorest among us not paying federal income taxes. It's pandering to that far right element that he is trying to do. Whether or not he actually goes through with it is another issue, but he's trying to appeal to the staunch conservatives and win the republican nomination.

 

[Two Thumbs]

No he doesn't. Romney wants to "broaden the tax base", which is republican speak for making more of the poor and lower middle class pay more.

I get more back than I pay in.

Please tell me how it's fair that your money is put in my pocket.

Yeah, you've mentioned that before. I asked you a question and you ignored it. So I'll try again.

Why don't you send that money back if you disagree with it?

oh, and I'm a part timer here.

I don't ignore questions, unless they are a waste of time. More than likely, the days between your question and me being here caused the thread to either fade or continue to the point of pain for me to find my last post.

 

[Conservative]

But cutting taxes for the wealthy and gutting the EPA really doesn't add up to centering efforts on one segment of society, does it? Unless you're a wealthy corporation.

please link to the interview in the OP, and show me where Romney said he wants to gut the EPA.
When you don't know what you're talking about, you should probably not talk about it.

I thought as much. thanks for confirming you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[RDD_1210]

I have no idea how to do so.


and how would that fix the inequality? Each year the government would have to spend money to put the money back in, while we live with a system that will keep giving me and millions of others, more than they should get.

Just write a check and send it off. Seems to me you didn't try very hard to figure it out.

So how much should you pay? I don't know your particulars but I'm guessing you don't earn very much. How much extra would you like to pay each year?

why would you exepct someone with a low income to give money back when one of the wealthiest men in the country who says he does not pay enough in taxes doesnt pay more fout of the goodness of his heart?

What about Obama...he pays 15% cap gains...does he write a check every year and give it as charity to the IRS?

He feels it is too low also....are you asking him why he doesnt give more to prove his sentimetnts?

I wouldn't expect it. That's the point. But TwoThumbs seems to be saying that he hasn't earned that money he received back. So is he of the opinion that his taxes need to be higher? I'm trying to understand the mindset of someone who is poor yet supports someone who advocates raises taxes on the poor.

 

[California Girl]

Are they? How would Romney, the guy who paid a smaller percentage of taxes on his 21 million dollars than I did on my pittance, know anything about the very poor?

Now the Tea Baggers are trying to paint being poor as a good thing "They're doing just fine".

Wow.

There are no limits to their deceit are there?

The "They're doing just fine." refers to the wealthy, you fucking moron. Try basic comprehension classes.

Idiot.

You're right, it does, my bad.

However, he fails to include the very poor in his "90 to 95% of Americans that are struggling".

Why?

Part of the GOP agenda is to reduce and remove that "safety net" for the poor, how does that play into his speech?

He clearly talked about the safety net for the very poor. He said, if it needs fixing, he'll fix it. He is not 'removing' it, he'll fix it..... are you honestly just stupid or desperately partisan who needs to lie?

 

[Conservative]

The "They're doing just fine." refers to the wealthy, you fucking moron. Try basic comprehension classes.

Idiot.

You're right, it does, my bad.

However, he fails to include the very poor in his "90 to 95% of Americans that are struggling".

Why?

Part of the GOP agenda is to reduce and remove that "safety net" for the poor, how does that play into his speech?

He clearly talked about the safety net for the very poor. He said, if it needs fixing, he'll fix it. He is not 'removing' it, he'll fix it..... are you honestly just stupid or desperately partisan who needs to lie?

I'd say 50/50.

 

[Jarhead]

Just write a check and send it off. Seems to me you didn't try very hard to figure it out.

So how much should you pay? I don't know your particulars but I'm guessing you don't earn very much. How much extra would you like to pay each year?

why would you exepct someone with a low income to give money back when one of the wealthiest men in the country who says he does not pay enough in taxes doesnt pay more fout of the goodness of his heart?

What about Obama...he pays 15% cap gains...does he write a check every year and give it as charity to the IRS?

He feels it is too low also....are you asking him why he doesnt give more to prove his sentimetnts?

I wouldn't expect it. That's the point. But TwoThumbs seems to be saying that he hasn't earned that money he received back. So is he of the opinion that his taxes need to be higher? I'm trying to understand the mindset of someone who is poor yet supports someone who advocates raises taxes on the poor.

Romney does not advocate raising taxes on the poor...I have heard nothing of the kind yet from him..

But putting that aside...

You want to talk about why a low income earner prefers a conservative or conservative leaning candidate?

Aks me.

I was homeless, penniless, jobless, and...well....hopeless.

But it was my turning to conservative thinking that made me realize I can be as good as I want to be...and my life turned around completely...financially, confidence wise, happiness wise...and productive to the community wise.

No joke. When I thought I "deserved" i made nothing of myself. When I believed "Only I can for me", I made a life for myself.

 

[California Girl]

Just write a check and send it off. Seems to me you didn't try very hard to figure it out.

So how much should you pay? I don't know your particulars but I'm guessing you don't earn very much. How much extra would you like to pay each year?

why would you exepct someone with a low income to give money back when one of the wealthiest men in the country who says he does not pay enough in taxes doesnt pay more fout of the goodness of his heart?

What about Obama...he pays 15% cap gains...does he write a check every year and give it as charity to the IRS?

He feels it is too low also....are you asking him why he doesnt give more to prove his sentimetnts?

I wouldn't expect it. That's the point. But TwoThumbs seems to be saying that he hasn't earned that money he received back. So is he of the opinion that his taxes need to be higher? I'm trying to understand the mindset of someone who is poor yet supports someone who advocates raises taxes on the poor.

If, say, TwoThumbs paid $1k in taxes, and got a refund of $1,100.... where did that extra $100 come from? Magic? Does David Copperfield work for the IRS? No. It comes from someone else.... another tax payer. Why does someone get back MORE than they pay in?

That will bankrupt the country. You get that, right?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Yeah, you've mentioned that before. I asked you a question and you ignored it. So I'll try again.

Why don't you send that money back if you disagree with it?

I have no idea how to do so.


and how would that fix the inequality? Each year the government would have to spend money to put the money back in, while we live with a system that will keep giving me and millions of others, more than they should get.

Just write a check and send it off. Seems to me you didn't try very hard to figure it out.

So how much should you pay? I don't know your particulars but I'm guessing you don't earn very much. How much extra would you like to pay each year?

I'm not going to go into details about my situation.

I have no idea how much I should pay. I don't have that much of a grasp on the vastness of the economy.

personnaly I think no one should pay income tax and we should all pay a Federal sales tax.

Wanna stick it to the rich and give the poor a break but still have everyone pay something?

do that


I think it would work. And then every election, we would not have to talk about raising-lowering taxes on this or that group. It would be level across the board and would go up or down based on what the people wanted.

 

[RDD_1210]

why would you exepct someone with a low income to give money back when one of the wealthiest men in the country who says he does not pay enough in taxes doesnt pay more fout of the goodness of his heart?

What about Obama...he pays 15% cap gains...does he write a check every year and give it as charity to the IRS?

He feels it is too low also....are you asking him why he doesnt give more to prove his sentimetnts?

I wouldn't expect it. That's the point. But TwoThumbs seems to be saying that he hasn't earned that money he received back. So is he of the opinion that his taxes need to be higher? I'm trying to understand the mindset of someone who is poor yet supports someone who advocates raises taxes on the poor.

Romney does not advocate raising taxes on the poor...I have heard nothing of the kind yet from him..

But putting that aside...

You want to talk about why a low income earner prefers a conservative or conservative leaning candidate?

Aks me.

I was homeless, penniless, jobless, and...well....hopeless.

But it was my turning to conservative thinking that made me realize I can be as good as I want to be...and my life turned around completely...financially, confidence wise, happiness wise...and productive to the community wise.

No joke. When I thought I "deserved" i made nothing of myself. When I believed "Only I can for me", I made a life for myself.

That's great and I fully realize that there is a too much of a an entitlement mindset in this country, but that doesn't change the fact that increasing taxes on the poor while keeping them low or even decreasing them for the rich is going to make things any better.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Just write a check and send it off. Seems to me you didn't try very hard to figure it out.

So how much should you pay? I don't know your particulars but I'm guessing you don't earn very much. How much extra would you like to pay each year?

why would you exepct someone with a low income to give money back when one of the wealthiest men in the country who says he does not pay enough in taxes doesnt pay more fout of the goodness of his heart?

What about Obama...he pays 15% cap gains...does he write a check every year and give it as charity to the IRS?

He feels it is too low also....are you asking him why he doesnt give more to prove his sentimetnts?

I wouldn't expect it. That's the point. But TwoThumbs seems to be saying that he hasn't earned that money he received back. So is he of the opinion that his taxes need to be higher? I'm trying to understand the mindset of someone who is poor yet supports someone who advocates raises taxes on the poor.

it cost money to have stuff. It takes tax money to have things done and built in America.

I'm working poor. I don't take welfare, stamps or any other form of support. Everything I have is mine. The apt I rent is sorta mine. But the cloths, the shitty van, the food, the bills, my shoes my kids stuff was all bought with my money making it mine.

It bothers me deeply that for more than a few years, not one pebble put into a road anywhere in America is my pebble.