Missouri House Passes Health Care Freedom Act

[RetiredGySgt]

Sorry...

A state can't pass legislation binding on the Federal Government

Nice political grandstanding though

It can when the Federal Government has no authority on the issue. As per the 10th Amendment.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Sorry...

A state can't pass legislation binding on the Federal Government

Nice political grandstanding though

Have you read the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution? The Legislature has clearly overstepped its bound under Article I Section 8.

Doesn't matter, Missouri cannot make this law, and it will never stand. But good luck with that.

Once again for the truly stupid and slow. If the Federal Government has no authority on a matter, then the States or the people have the Authority.

The Federal Government has NO authority to force anyone to buy health care insurance. The States do not either. Passing a law that protects the peoples rights is legal and binding.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You all are supposing that the Feds even have the authority to enact Obamacare. My reading of the Consitution indicates they do not. This is another case where the Marxists who make up the Obama administration think that the Feds can do anything it wants to do. The courts will settle the matter, not Obama or the Congress.

What specifically do you find unconstitutional about it?

The Federal Government has no enumerated power to allow it to FORCE citizens to buy Health Care Insurance nor to fine them if they do not.

The only power the Fed has in regards Health Care is to regulate whether it can be sold across State lines, which it does not allow. Since it can not be sold across State lines the Fed can not even claim the Commerce clause applies in this case.

 

[Joe Steel]

You all are supposing that the Feds even have the authority to enact Obamacare. My reading of the Consitution indicates they do not. This is another case where the Marxists who make up the Obama administration think that the Feds can do anything it wants to do. The courts will settle the matter, not Obama or the Congress.

What specifically do you find unconstitutional about it?

Read up on "Enumerated Powers and the US Federal Government".

You might learn something.

Take your own advice.

"Enumerated powers" is bunk. It's a fiction perpetrated by self-interested charlatans to confuse the weak-of-mind. The powers of Congress are not limited in any substantial way by the Constitution.

 

[Joe Steel]

Sorry...

A state can't pass legislation binding on the Federal Government

Nice political grandstanding though

It can when the Federal Government has no authority on the issue. As per the 10th Amendment.

The Tenth Amendment is substantially meaningless. It's a bit of fluff tacked-onto the end of the Bill of Rights to mollify the obstructionists of the Constitutional Era. Forget about it.

 

[Joe Steel]

What specifically do you find unconstitutional about it?

The Federal Government has no enumerated power to allow it to FORCE citizens to buy Health Care Insurance nor to fine them if they do not.

The only power the Fed has in regards Health Care is to regulate whether it can be sold across State lines, which it does not allow. Since it can not be sold across State lines the Fed can not even claim the Commerce clause applies in this case.

Article 1, Section 8, "...provide for the general welfare."

Case closed.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What specifically do you find unconstitutional about it?

Read up on "Enumerated Powers and the US Federal Government".

You might learn something.

Take your own advice.

"Enumerated powers" is bunk. It's a fiction perpetrated by self-interested charlatans to confuse the weak-of-mind. The powers of Congress are not limited in any substantial way by the Constitution.

You are a MORON.

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Article I | LII / Legal Information Institute

The Congress ONLY has the powers so listed in section 8 of Article I of the US Constitution.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What specifically do you find unconstitutional about it?

The Federal Government has no enumerated power to allow it to FORCE citizens to buy Health Care Insurance nor to fine them if they do not.

The only power the Fed has in regards Health Care is to regulate whether it can be sold across State lines, which it does not allow. Since it can not be sold across State lines the Fed can not even claim the Commerce clause applies in this case.

Article 1, Section 8, "...provide for the general welfare."

Case closed.

And yet no bill has EVER been claimed to be from that supposed power. Why? Because that is NOT an enumerated power, it is a descriptive paragraph explaining WHY the following LISTED powers are granted to Congress.

 

[Annie]

You all are supposing that the Feds even have the authority to enact Obamacare. My reading of the Consitution indicates they do not. This is another case where the Marxists who make up the Obama administration think that the Feds can do anything it wants to do. The courts will settle the matter, not Obama or the Congress.

Interesting post. I wonder with all the Constitutional questions flying around, if the SCOTUS may not be feeling the need to exert itself? Perhaps over the 10th? Big impact that would be, sort of showing when to sit on one's hands and when to exert power?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Good news for Missouri...

The Missouri State House has passed House Joint Resolution 48 (HJR48). The legislation, known as the “Missouri Health Care Freedom Act” seeks to make public policy for the state that every person within the state of Missouri is and shall be free to choose or decline to choose any mode of securing health care services without penalty or threat of penalty by the federal government of the United States of America.

Missouri House Passes Health Care Freedom Act|Tenth Amendment Center Blog​

Well you know what the Fed does in these caes?
They cut funding .

 

[code1211]

You all are supposing that the Feds even have the authority to enact Obamacare. My reading of the Consitution indicates they do not. This is another case where the Marxists who make up the Obama administration think that the Feds can do anything it wants to do. The courts will settle the matter, not Obama or the Congress.

What specifically do you find unconstitutional about it?

Read article 1, Section 8. Find the part where it says the Congress can do this. The 10th Amendment clearly states that ny power not defined to the Feds is reserved to the states.

If it isn't in the Constituion, it is not a power of the Congress.

 

[code1211]

You all are supposing that the Feds even have the authority to enact Obamacare. My reading of the Consitution indicates they do not. This is another case where the Marxists who make up the Obama administration think that the Feds can do anything it wants to do. The courts will settle the matter, not Obama or the Congress.

Interesting post. I wonder with all the Constitutional questions flying around, if the SCOTUS may not be feeling the need to exert itself? Perhaps over the 10th? Big impact that would be, sort of showing when to sit on one's hands and when to exert power?

It seems petty likely that this is on the way. The SCOTUS cannot bring suit and only an entity that has standing can. Maybe a State AG will do something. Man alive! what a dream scenario for that lucky AG.

How would this work? Would a citizen have to challenge the state law of Missouri for instance, and then have it elevated through the normal process? Would Missouri sue the USA or would the USA sue Missouri?

What about the other 36 states in disagreement with this?

What happens if all 50 states refuse to pay up?

 

[Annie]

You all are supposing that the Feds even have the authority to enact Obamacare. My reading of the Consitution indicates they do not. This is another case where the Marxists who make up the Obama administration think that the Feds can do anything it wants to do. The courts will settle the matter, not Obama or the Congress.

Interesting post. I wonder with all the Constitutional questions flying around, if the SCOTUS may not be feeling the need to exert itself? Perhaps over the 10th? Big impact that would be, sort of showing when to sit on one's hands and when to exert power?

It seems petty likely that this is on the way. The SCOTUS cannot bring suit and only an entity that has standing can. Maybe a State AG will do something. Man alive! what a dream scenario for that lucky AG.

How would this work? Would a citizen have to challenge the state law of Missouri for instance, and then have it elevated through the normal process? Would Missouri sue the USA or would the USA sue Missouri?

What about the other 36 states in disagreement with this?

What happens if all 50 states refuse to pay up?

I'm uncertain as how this would play out legally. I just remember how the state legislatures reacted when SCOTUS upheld the eminent domain case out of NJ. Of course, that is what legislatures are supposed to do when bad law is evident.

So too for years localities and states have been passing and enforcing law that abridged the 2nd amendment, that's been playing out now with SCOTUS for quite a long time, now in favor of the people.

It's a very complex system we have, one never knows where help or hinderance may come from.