Minority Teacher Recruitment & Urban Ed.

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    Since my other thread got de-railed :p, I figured I'd start a new one (sorry) instead of staying on topic.

    This section here caught me off guard:

    A Question of Quality

    I've seen this a lot: Minority teachers are good for black & Latino students (never Asian or anything else, apparently...?) because they can 'relate' and have 'good role models'. Shennanigains. Any good teacher will be a good teacher regardless. I really wish districts would focus more on providing equal education services across neigborhoods (aka reducing segregation) than this stuff.

    I think it's dangerous because I also hear the sentiment that minority teachers are also good for white students because it exposes them to diversity and good black role models. It helps to break stereotypes. And more male teachers are needed as well.

    I reject the idea that one's skin color or ethnic background is necessary to be the best role model. I think that if teachers are respectful and aware of different cultures, they'll produce the best classroom results.

    I've seen longtime black teachers that were amazing - teachers I want to be like. I've seen freshly minted black teachers that sucked. Same goes for white. I saw a Latino girl who was bilingual keep her job for years despite the fact she let the kids cheat on tests and taught in Spanish (against the rules).

    Why are we trying to segregate teachers like this?


    White Teachers Sue Philly For Discrimination


    Here's the thing. I think that if we want our teaching staff to be more diverse, we have to give quality education in urban schools. Then the application pool will be more diverse. Sorry, but white/female/non-minority teachers are not the problem here.

    :(


    I don't want this to be about affirmative action. I'm talking about education here.

    Texas in need of more minority teachers


    So why don't we just teach any teacher to be respective of cultural differences? I mean, the race gap in Texas schools is much smaller than most areas, but they're still aggressively recruiting minority teachers.

    Here's the thing. White teachers are probably more likely to discipline harder and not understand their minority students. It ends up being a language thing, honestly. If you go into a classroom and you tell the kids they have bad English and they're lazy fucks who are lucky to have you as a teacher, of course they won't do as well. (And yeah. That happens with white teachers.)

    I'm female. I'm white. I was raised in Iowa. Are you seriously telling me I'm going to deliver a subtractive education to my students by default? Because that hasn't been the case thus far. I know that in my neighborhood, the most interaction the kids will have with white people is a) bosses and b) their teachers.

    Or am I not an asset to a district that has mostly white students if I'm white, because now I'm not exposing them to 'diversity'? Since when are minority folk supposed to be a god damned anthropology exhibit?

    ...thoughts? Am I the only one who sees this as degrading to everyone involved? The race wars are alive and well in urban ed, particularly amongst black and Spanish-speaking Latinos. (Well, here anyway.)

    This is not helping.

    I also hate the word 'minority'.
    And I'm very sorry, my dear male teachers, but so many of you are so damned lazy.
     
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    How embarassing for black and Hispanic people.

    Could it be possible that the different races also have different abilities when it comes to educating and being educated?

    What are the school systems like in the countries of blacks and Hispanics, that might be a clue.

    If these differences between the races is natural, we will have to change laws and standards to compensate for this natural discrepancy.
     
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    Why do you think that? Libs are always telling us race doesn't matter, but plenty of what they advocate shows that to them race matters.
     
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    There is no difference in the teaching ability of white v. black teachers. That is absurd.

    Since this is going to turn into a racist shitfest, nevermind. I was hoping some non-white people would chime in.
     
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    Pretty hard to recruit "minority teachers" that don't exist, isn't it?

    I'm informed that about 4.6 million Black American hold a BA/BS in any field. How many of them are educators? I can't find any data one way or the other.

    At any rate here's a thumbnail of the breakdown K-12 positions in the USA


     
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    Citizenpained:

    You are self-contradictory all the time - do you realize that?

    What are minority kids going to encounter in the real world when they grow up? White people. How well is it going to work if they've only had minority teachers, only understand the minority community, and only speak ebonics?
     
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    CP you're whole OP was about race and racial diffrences, maybe the standards for blacks and Hispanics to become teachers should be lowered like they have for blacks and Hispanics to become a police and firepeople?
     
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    How am I contradicting myself? I'm saying that white teachers in urban school is not a bad thing and that people have to stop blaming the 'white female teacher' for the demise of our schools.
     
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    :lol: I don't give excuses for anyone. But male teachers are not inherently better...everyone just thinks they can manage a classroom because they're male. While kids may not be as crazy in the class, it doesn't mean men are better teachers or role models.

    Most of them I see don't do the extra 10 yards required in urban education, but they do command more respect by proxy of being male.

    This has been my experience in every school I've been in.
     

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