Minnieapolis Bridge collaspes in rush hour

[RetiredGySgt]

Just wait, next Truthdoesntmatter will be demanding a Congresional investigation to determine when Bush knew and ordered this murder of innocent american citizens. And Care4all will be along soon to demand why we just can not connect the dots.

 

[manu1959]

i read that the bush admin secretly colaposed the bridge to prove that things just colapse....same way he blew up the bridge in sf to prove that steel melts

 

[maineman]

was it open mike nite at your local comedy club?

 

[maineman]

You have got to be kidding. The money spent in Iraq is what caused the 35W bridge to collapse? Give me fucking break and get a clue while you're at it. Again the bridge was last checked just last year and no structural deficiencies were found. Can you not accept that sometimes bad things just happen and they aren't anybodies fault.

I knew the left would blame the right for this somehow. I just didn't think it would take under 4 hours.

And not to nitpick but please learn the correct spelling of the city would ya

you really have a problem with english, don't you? where did ANYONE suggest that the war in Iraq is what "caused" this bridge to collapse? TM suggests that the chronic problems with infrastructure around the country could have been addressed to a measurable degree of improvement if we could have spent the money flushed down the toilet in Iraq on such domestic issues. Do you really disagree with that?

 

[maineman]

You are aware not one penny of the money spent in Iraq would have ever been raised or spent on bridgesin the US? Your claim is absolute horseshit.

so you are saying that bridges are never built with federal money? even if they go nowhere?

I wonder who built the interstate highway system?

 

[Bern80]

you really have a problem with english, don't you? where did ANYONE suggest that the war in Iraq is what "caused" this bridge to collapse? TM suggests that the chronic problems with infrastructure around the country could have been addressed to a measurable degree of improvement if we could have spent the money flushed down the toilet in Iraq on such domestic issues. Do you really disagree with that?

You think you can just dance around your implication? First you say no one suggested iraq spending caused this. then in the very next sentence you say Iraq spending caused this by direct implication just as TM. If you didn't think that neither one of you would have brought up such and asanine linkage in thre first place. And yes you most certainly are implying that because when you say 'infrastructure around the country could have been addressed to a measureable degree of improvement' you quite clearly are implying the 35W bridge. otherwise why would you even bring it up? To refresh your memory here is what TM said:

We have wasted more money in Iraq than it would take to fix this problem.

Its called bad priorities.

We should be rebuilding America not Iraq.

He just said if we weren't spending money on Iraq we could have fixed the 35w bridge (which again didnt' need fixing). That isn't spin. that is what he said and byu agreeing with him, do did you.

And for the the 3rd the bridge was inspected last year and was determined no such improvement needed to made.

 

[manu1959]

so you are saying that bridges are never built with federal money? even if they go nowhere?

I wonder who built the interstate highway system?

are you saying that if not for iraq....all the freeways would be repaved.....

 

[manu1959]

and look at this, they were spending money and they were repairing it and it collapsed.....

The Interstate 35W bridge, a major link between Minneapolis and St. Paul, was in the midst of being repaired when it broke into several huge sections during rush hour. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QOJMPO0&show_article=1

built in 67....by democrats.....


prolly low bid.....should have hired halliburton

 

[hjmick]

I have to say that, while I am not surprised by the inferential tone of some of the posts in this thread, I find the overall tone sad and pathetic. People are missing, severely injured, and dead, try not to lose sight of that fact. Wouldn't be nice if just once the bodies were cold before someone tried to lay a tragedy at the feet of this administration?

You know, some times shit just happens.

 

[maineman]

are you saying that if not for iraq....all the freeways would be repaved.....

of COURSE not.

 

[Gunny]

Just wait, next Truthdoesntmatter will be demanding a Congresional investigation to determine when Bush knew and ordered this murder of innocent american citizens. And Care4all will be along soon to demand why we just can not connect the dots.

 

[Gunny]

I have to say that, while I am not surprised by the inferential tone of some of the posts in this thread, I find the overall tone sad and pathetic. People are missing, severely injured, and dead, try not to lose sight of that fact. Wouldn't be nice if just once the bodies were cold before someone tried to lay a tragedy at the feet of this administration?

You know, some times shit just happens.

Owe you rep for this one.

 

[CSM]

So when is the young lib/Dem Truthmatters going to go out and start repairing bridges and infrastructure in his area? What construction crew do you think he will sign up for?

Sarcasm folks.

 

[Truthmatters]

The infrastructure of this nation has been ignored by a Rebuplican majority.

The job of oversite was ignored by a Rebubplican majority.

Now the Dem congress is looking into and TRYING to provide oversite that the Rs did not do.

There were three investigation done the entire time congress was held by the Rs.

That is an extrememly Low historical number.

Oversight is part of their job.

They Rs shirked it.

This is just fact.

The evidence is held out for all to see by the Rs who are being investigated and behind Bars.

If congress had done their job in policing its self they would not have this R crime wave.

Now to the infrastructure, the Rs congress refused to provide the money for the infrastructure to be maintained.

Tax cuts at the expense of puplic safety will be part of what this horrible tragedy will highlight.

This is not an evil thing it is the one scrap of good that can come out of this horrible mess which took yet untolled lives yesterday.

The people who died and their loved ones are NOT dishonored by attempts to stop another tragedy like this one.

Dont Ignore the infrastructure and inspect all bridges in this country and CLOSE DOWN the ones which even look suspicious.

Then VOTE to have money raised to fix the problem.

No Tax cut is worth these peoples lives and no false outrage for silence which only honors the people who refused to take care of the problem in the first place.

 

[Truthmatters]

Conditions


As of 2003, 27.1% of the nation's bridges (160,570) were structurally deficient or functionally obsolete, an improvement from 28.5% in 2000. In fact, over the past 12 years, the number of bridge deficiencies has steadily declined from 34.6% in 1992 to 27.1% in 2003. The Federal Highway Administration's (FHWA's) strategic plan states that by 2008, less than 25% of the nation's bridges should be classified as deficient. If that goal were met, 1 in 4 bridges in the nation would still be deficient. There were 590,750 bridges in the United States in 2000; however, one in three urban bridges (31.2% or 43,189) was classified as structurally deficient or functionally obsolete, much higher than the national average. In contrast, 25.6% (118,381) of rural bridges were classified as structurally deficient or functionally obsolete.


A structurally deficient bridge is closed or restricted to light vehicles because of its deteriorated structural components. While not necessarily unsafe, these bridges must have limits for speed and weight. A functionally obsolete bridge has older design features and, while it is not unsafe for all vehicles, it cannot safely accommodate current traffic volumes, and vehicle sizes and weights. These restrictions not only contribute to traffic congestion, they pose such major inconveniences as school busses or emergency vehicles taking lengthy detours. It is estimated that it will cost $9.4 billion per year for 20 years to eliminate all bridge deficiencies. The annual investment required to prevent the bridge investment backlog from increasing is estimated at $7.3 billion. Present funding trends of state departments of transportation call into question future progress on addressing bridge deficiencies.

Adding to these problems is the inability of the Administration and Congress to reauthorize the nation's Transportation Equity Act of the 21st Century (TEA-21), which has now had six extensions since the program expired on September 30, 2003the inability of the Administration and Congress to reauthorize the nation's Transportation Equity Act of the 21st Century (TEA-21), which has now had six extensions since the program expired on September 30, 2003. The progress made in the TEA-21, which authorized $218 billion for the nation's highway and transit programs in 2001, is beginning to slip as America continues to shortchange funding for much-needed road and bridge repairs.


Even with uncertain funding due to the lack of a federal transportation funds reauthorization bill, additional revenues from state and local governments have begun to make an impact on bridge projects in all 50 states. Total bridge expenditures by all levels of government for capital outlays (including system preservation and system expansion) was at $8.8 billion in 2003.



http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2005/page.cfm?id=22


This is just the bridges folks, its the cost of tax cuts.
No Tax cut is worth these peoples lives and no false outrage for silence which only honors the people who refused to take care of the problem in the first place.

 

[dilloduck]

Conditions


As of 2003, 27.1% of the nation's bridges (160,570) were structurally deficient or functionally obsolete, an improvement from 28.5% in 2000. In fact, over the past 12 years, the number of bridge deficiencies has steadily declined from 34.6% in 1992 to 27.1% in 2003. The Federal Highway Administration's (FHWA's) strategic plan states that by 2008, less than 25% of the nation's bridges should be classified as deficient. If that goal were met, 1 in 4 bridges in the nation would still be deficient. There were 590,750 bridges in the United States in 2000; however, one in three urban bridges (31.2% or 43,189) was classified as structurally deficient or functionally obsolete, much higher than the national average. In contrast, 25.6% (118,381) of rural bridges were classified as structurally deficient or functionally obsolete.


A structurally deficient bridge is closed or restricted to light vehicles because of its deteriorated structural components. While not necessarily unsafe, these bridges must have limits for speed and weight. A functionally obsolete bridge has older design features and, while it is not unsafe for all vehicles, it cannot safely accommodate current traffic volumes, and vehicle sizes and weights. These restrictions not only contribute to traffic congestion, they pose such major inconveniences as school busses or emergency vehicles taking lengthy detours. It is estimated that it will cost $9.4 billion per year for 20 years to eliminate all bridge deficiencies. The annual investment required to prevent the bridge investment backlog from increasing is estimated at $7.3 billion. Present funding trends of state departments of transportation call into question future progress on addressing bridge deficiencies.

Adding to these problems is the inability of the Administration and Congress to reauthorize the nation's Transportation Equity Act of the 21st Century (TEA-21), which has now had six extensions since the program expired on September 30, 2003the inability of the Administration and Congress to reauthorize the nation's Transportation Equity Act of the 21st Century (TEA-21), which has now had six extensions since the program expired on September 30, 2003. The progress made in the TEA-21, which authorized $218 billion for the nation's highway and transit programs in 2001, is beginning to slip as America continues to shortchange funding for much-needed road and bridge repairs.


Even with uncertain funding due to the lack of a federal transportation funds reauthorization bill, additional revenues from state and local governments have begun to make an impact on bridge projects in all 50 states. Total bridge expenditures by all levels of government for capital outlays (including system preservation and system expansion) was at $8.8 billion in 2003.



http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2005/page.cfm?id=22


This is just the bridges folks, its the cost of tax cuts.
No Tax cut is worth these peoples lives and no false outrage for silence which only honors the people who refused to take care of the problem in the first place.

Prove that tax cuts caused the bridge to collapse.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Conditions


As of 2003, 27.1% of the nation's bridges (160,570) were structurally deficient or functionally obsolete, an improvement from 28.5% in 2000. In fact, over the past 12 years, the number of bridge deficiencies has steadily declined from 34.6% in 1992 to 27.1% in 2003. The Federal Highway Administration's (FHWA's) strategic plan states that by 2008, less than 25% of the nation's bridges should be classified as deficient. If that goal were met, 1 in 4 bridges in the nation would still be deficient. There were 590,750 bridges in the United States in 2000; however, one in three urban bridges (31.2% or 43,189) was classified as structurally deficient or functionally obsolete, much higher than the national average. In contrast, 25.6% (118,381) of rural bridges were classified as structurally deficient or functionally obsolete.


A structurally deficient bridge is closed or restricted to light vehicles because of its deteriorated structural components. While not necessarily unsafe, these bridges must have limits for speed and weight. A functionally obsolete bridge has older design features and, while it is not unsafe for all vehicles, it cannot safely accommodate current traffic volumes, and vehicle sizes and weights. These restrictions not only contribute to traffic congestion, they pose such major inconveniences as school busses or emergency vehicles taking lengthy detours. It is estimated that it will cost $9.4 billion per year for 20 years to eliminate all bridge deficiencies. The annual investment required to prevent the bridge investment backlog from increasing is estimated at $7.3 billion. Present funding trends of state departments of transportation call into question future progress on addressing bridge deficiencies.

Adding to these problems is the inability of the Administration and Congress to reauthorize the nation's Transportation Equity Act of the 21st Century (TEA-21), which has now had six extensions since the program expired on September 30, 2003the inability of the Administration and Congress to reauthorize the nation's Transportation Equity Act of the 21st Century (TEA-21), which has now had six extensions since the program expired on September 30, 2003. The progress made in the TEA-21, which authorized $218 billion for the nation's highway and transit programs in 2001, is beginning to slip as America continues to shortchange funding for much-needed road and bridge repairs.


Even with uncertain funding due to the lack of a federal transportation funds reauthorization bill, additional revenues from state and local governments have begun to make an impact on bridge projects in all 50 states. Total bridge expenditures by all levels of government for capital outlays (including system preservation and system expansion) was at $8.8 billion in 2003.



http://www.asce.org/reportcard/2005/page.cfm?id=22


This is just the bridges folks, its the cost of tax cuts.
No Tax cut is worth these peoples lives and no false outrage for silence which only honors the people who refused to take care of the problem in the first place.

You don't even read what you post do you? I suggest basic math skills are lacking in your case. This piece clearly states that things are being worked on and getting better. Further, you moron, bridges take YEARS to become unviable. The problem exists because DEMS controlled congres from 1952 until 1994 and did NOT address the problem. Since the republicans took over things have gotten better.

More importantly this is NOT a matter to lay at the feet of ANY president, it is congress that is the problem, and the Dems TOOK money away from road maintainance as your previous link clearly showed from 1990 to 1996 the dems took almost a quarter of the gas tax to spend on NONE road things.

Your inability to read, lack of reasoning ability and general idiocy tell me your a kid or immature. Or maybe your just dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[dilloduck]

You don't even read what you post do you? I suggest basic math skills are lacking in your case. This piece clearly states that things are being worked on and getting better. Further, you moron, bridges take YEARS to become unviable. The problem exists because DEMS controlled congres from 1952 until 1994 and did NOT address the problem. Since the republicans took over things have gotten better.

More importantly this is NOT a matter to lay at the feet of ANY president, it is congress that is the problem, and the Dems TOOK money away from road maintainance as your previous link clearly showed from 1990 to 1996 the dems took almost a quarter of the gas tax to spend on NONE road things.

Your inability to read, lack of reasoning ability and general idiocy tell me your a kid or immature. Or maybe your just dumb as a box of rocks.

LOL--you mean we shouldn't just close every bridge in America until they are all perfectly safe ?

 

[Truthmatters]

So the fact that Republicans have called for tax cuts as their main issue for the last twenty years has had no effect on this issue?

The fact that the R congress who just left office refused to renew TEA-21 for the entire time they were in office had no effect on the issue?

Remember Democrats always want to waste money and raise taxes as Rs always seem to say.

THIS is the effect of tax cuts.

You ignore the infrastructure to get a tax cut.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So the fact that Republicans have called for tax cuts as their main issue for the last twenty years has had no effect on this issue?

The fact that the R congress who just left office refused to renew TEA-21 for the entire time they were in office had no effect on the issue?

Remember Democrats always want to waste money and raise taxes as Rs always seem to say.

THIS is the effect of tax cuts.

You ignore the infrastructure to get a tax cut.

Last I checked NOT one of the republican tax cuts cut anything from the gas tax, which is what is used to maintain the roads and bridges the federal Government is responsible for. In fact last I checked the move was to INCREASE gas taxes. You do understand the concept of cause and effect? Of relevance?

Provide some evidence that one single dime extra would have been raised to spend on road/bridge maintainance if we had not attacked Iraq. Provide one piece of evidence that the war in Iraq has TAKEN money from the funds used to maintain our roads and bridges.