Minimum Wage Reform?

[JBeukema]

You wouldn't last one minute in the old America....when "cons" were everywhere....

Where did you get your education anyhow?....on a TV program?....and your diploma came after passing a DMV test...?

Before or after the Wobblies kicked their butts?

 

[JBeukema]

$9.50 is a "living wage"? Where?

If you government really cared about mandating a "living wage" then it would be closer to $20 an hour.

Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.

Worked great in the American sweatshops... continues to work just as well elsewhere, where the evil socialists haven't ruined the world giving rise to the middle class...

Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.

No, they're not- the minimum wage can be a living wage.

The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.

Bullshit, with profits booming for the corps, they're still not hiring

 

[JBeukema]

The wages will come from business profits, not taxes. And nothing dumb at all, because your taxes are going to go down when more people come off unemployment.

. Business will raise prices to cover the increase

the increase is nothing- they still make sweet profits.

they only outsource to further increase profit margins so the CEOs can pocket the difference to finance their new beachhouses

Unemployment will rise significantly.

Nobody deserves to be paid more than what the market dictates they be paid.

so if I find some starving men and tell them I'll give them one cheeto a piece of bread for two days' services- just enough to see them live and be able to work the length of the contract, then that's all they deserve?


go, capitalism...

No man who is willing to work should know hunger
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[JBeukema]

Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.
Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.
The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.
Those that think of "living" wage in terms of what is required to provide for living expenses( necessities only) are spot on. Those that ignore the reality that luxuries such as pay tv, memberships to gyms, expensive haircuts, new cars, going out to eat every week, etc, are not necessities are being unrealistic.
I worked in a career that took me into people's homes. I was taken aback by the percentage of people who live far beyond their means.
One glaring example was this couple. He was a corrections officer in a county jail. That is a public sector job. The wife worked as a receptionist for a chiropractic office.
I was interested because here these people were living in a larger and more costly home than mine in the same subdivision. Two of the rooms had NO furniture in them. I instinctively thought "house poor".
I guesstimated her wage at about $10 per hour. I looked up HIS salary on the internet. For new jailers in that county the wage was $29k per year.
So here I was looking at a couple with two kids making half the money that my wife and I made and they had a larger home and newer vehicles.
Typical case of people living far beyond their means.
These are the same people the Left weeps for when they run out of money. It's always someone else's fault. It's the predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. Or it's an "expectation" of lifestyle rather than working one's way up to a lifestyle.
The point here is opposition to the idea that wages are too low for the least skilled. They aren't. The problem is far too many people expecting things. The feeling of entitlement to a certain lifestyle.
Just about anyone can have whatever they want if they have been granted credit to buy it.
What they don't think about is the amount of income vs their expectations.
I have about $3,000 in credit card debt which I could liquidate right now. But I do not wish to use up a good amount liquid cash. I double up or even triple up payments which all but eliminates the interest. CC Interest only affects accounts where the borrower pays the minimum each month.
Now, I expect the argument that "what about the people who can't pay more than the minimum"...Too bad. Should not have gotten themselves in that position in the first place.
So, what is a living wage anyway? Is it one that pays for our necessities? Or a wage that pays for what we want?

sniff............

Why did you not answer the questions?
"Sniff"? That's all you got?
It figures. Another cut and run from the issues lib.
You're not even worthy of the pigeon shit on that park bench.
You friggin slimy assed socialist test tube baby.
Now hear this.....SOCIALISM SUCKS SIDEWAYS.
Half the fucking people on earth are trying to move to the United States to get away from socialism and you cock suckers want to bring the socialism disease here.

see: agrarian justice
see: public libraries
see: soup kitchens
see: market regulation
see: clean air and water acts
see: child labour laws
see: Wobblies
see: 8-hour workday
see: minimum wage
see: progressive taxation; thomas jefferson
see: tax exemption for low-income households
see: WIC
see: public education



I'm so glad we live in a socialist nation; let us remember and give thanks to those who fought and those who died that the middle class may exist and the common man know a decent life

 

[Sarah G]

We raised minimum wage...and the price of everything went up...

If we raise it to $20 per hour, prices will go up to match and those folks will be in the same position they are today.

Why should prices go up if the intent of tax cuts for the rich is to hire more? Repubs have more excuses for not doing the right thing for their employees.

Trickle down doesn't work, the greed factor at the top is never considered. It's time for minimum wage to be raised again before the rich ever get any tax cuts.

 

[midcan5]

Having lived in corporate America for a long time I saw first hand the effect of labor, unions, minimum wage etc on working people. As we merged and merged, employees came in from non union areas and the South, and their wages were 10 to 30 percent lower than say the Northeast. Today outsourcing is taking another piece of the pie, particularly in India where American corporations are building large business and data centers. Businesses are about profit, the wealthy about holding onto their money, so the issue becomes one of supporting your own - something those bad socialists in Europe try to do. If minimum wage increases, spending increases as it is the poor and the lower middle classes that raise the boat, the contented have theirs and the rich theirs - they only whine today.


"'Practical' politics, it is held, calls for policies that appeal to the fortunate. The poor do not vote; the alert politician bids for the comfortable and the rich. This would be politically foolish for the Democratic Party; those whose primary concern is to protect their income, their capital and their business interest will always vote for the party that most strongly affirms its service to their pecuniary well-being. This is and has always been the republicans. The Democrats have no future as a low grade substitute.." John Kenneth Galbraith 'The Good Society'



The Impact of the Minimum Wage Increase: Federal Minimum Wage Goes Up

 

[skookerasbil]

Let his daddy support & raise him, and mom stay home & feed him, and stick nickles in a jor for that car & education like people used to do in America before they knew what a con was. Let the teen goal be his education, which in the socialist world will be free, because one TV channel can teach 300 million people their times table. 500 stations can teach Americans thousands of classes. Then sonny goes down to the state education board located next to DMV, and he takes a test for his diploma in whatever subject he wanted to be in. When he leaves his dads support, he will have a job and a living wage to start his life with.

Let the employer make his own way, that is why the call him boss.

You are a cradle-to-grave socialist commie....

You wouldn't last one minute in the old America....when "cons" were everywhere....

Where did you get your education anyhow?....on a TV program?....and your diploma came after passing a DMV test...?

No, actually, I am a socialist & humanitarian. You & the cons are commie loven fagots who supported borrowing trillions from your PRC brothers. I have outlasted you in America, with socialists everywhere. I am a UOP graduate in psychology, and you are dumb ass on a park bench. LMAO!!!

Laughing???

Sounds more to me like anger s0n.............like many progressives in recent weeks, these people are coming off the rails now that the sobering reality is setting in.But we're real impressed with the Psychology degree!!!

This is a "politics" forum...........not a forum for the whimsical ideologues who got squarely kicked in the balls three weeks ago. Tough shit on you..........never heard the one about the pendulum swinging??

What I see in this thread is simply the typical bleeding heart crap that is big on good intentions and hyper-small on results...........this is the MO of the modern day progressive. But I digress..........this forum is not about ideology.

Over the last 2 years, the progressives did the huge overreach and took the country far left............shot themselves in the balls, if you will. Most interestingly..........many are out there advocating stuff as if the elections never happened.............

I feel like Sir Lancelot these days............


Perhaps this video can provide a clue for those who cannot connect the dots..............



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