Minimum Wage Reform?

$9.50 is a "living wage"? Where?

If you government really cared about mandating a "living wage" then it would be closer to $20 an hour.
Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.
Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.
The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.
Those that think of "living" wage in terms of what is required to provide for living expenses( necessities only) are spot on. Those that ignore the reality that luxuries such as pay tv, memberships to gyms, expensive haircuts, new cars, going out to eat every week, etc, are not necessities are being unrealistic.
I worked in a career that took me into people's homes. I was taken aback by the percentage of people who live far beyond their means.
One glaring example was this couple. He was a corrections officer in a county jail. That is a public sector job. The wife worked as a receptionist for a chiropractic office.
I was interested because here these people were living in a larger and more costly home than mine in the same subdivision. Two of the rooms had NO furniture in them. I instinctively thought "house poor".
I guesstimated her wage at about $10 per hour. I looked up HIS salary on the internet. For new jailers in that county the wage was $29k per year.
So here I was looking at a couple with two kids making half the money that my wife and I made and they had a larger home and newer vehicles.
Typical case of people living far beyond their means.
These are the same people the Left weeps for when they run out of money. It's always someone else's fault. It's the predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. Or it's an "expectation" of lifestyle rather than working one's way up to a lifestyle.
The point here is opposition to the idea that wages are too low for the least skilled. They aren't. The problem is far too many people expecting things. The feeling of entitlement to a certain lifestyle.
Just about anyone can have whatever they want if they have been granted credit to buy it.
What they don't think about is the amount of income vs their expectations.
I have about $3,000 in credit card debt which I could liquidate right now. But I do not wish to use up a good amount liquid cash. I double up or even triple up payments which all but eliminates the interest. CC Interest only affects accounts where the borrower pays the minimum each month.
Now, I expect the argument that "what about the people who can't pay more than the minimum"...Too bad. Should not have gotten themselves in that position in the first place.
So, what is a living wage anyway? Is it one that pays for our necessities? Or a wage that pays for what we want?

sniff............
 
No, actually, I am a socialist & humanitarian. You & the cons are commie loven fagots who supported borrowing trillions from your PRC brothers. I have outlasted you in America, with socialists everywhere. I am a UOP graduate in psychology, and you are dumb ass on a park bench. LMAO!!!

wow....you're really impressing me...not....for one thing i don't believe a socialist can be a true humanitarian....take Soros for example.....

...isn't UOP (University of Phoenix) one of those online schools.....? maybe you are a "TV grad" after all.....:lol:

As a con I never supported dealing much with Red China....notice how the liberal press never refers to it as "Red" anymore....? ....notice who gave away top nuclear secrets to Red China...can we say Clinton...? ....notice who said on a trip to Red China "Every aspect of our lives must be subjected to an inventory"....can we say Pelosi....? Methinks you dimmies are quite taken with the Reds....i wonder what their "living wage" is over there....:lol:

And you are still on the park bench.

what...? no rebuttal...? i win... yer full of hot socialist air....

...now i'll just go back to that park bench i paid for with my taxes and enjoy the view....:lol:
 
Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.
Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.
The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.
Those that think of "living" wage in terms of what is required to provide for living expenses( necessities only) are spot on. Those that ignore the reality that luxuries such as pay tv, memberships to gyms, expensive haircuts, new cars, going out to eat every week, etc, are not necessities are being unrealistic.
I worked in a career that took me into people's homes. I was taken aback by the percentage of people who live far beyond their means.
One glaring example was this couple. He was a corrections officer in a county jail. That is a public sector job. The wife worked as a receptionist for a chiropractic office.
I was interested because here these people were living in a larger and more costly home than mine in the same subdivision. Two of the rooms had NO furniture in them. I instinctively thought "house poor".
I guesstimated her wage at about $10 per hour. I looked up HIS salary on the internet. For new jailers in that county the wage was $29k per year.
So here I was looking at a couple with two kids making half the money that my wife and I made and they had a larger home and newer vehicles.
Typical case of people living far beyond their means.
These are the same people the Left weeps for when they run out of money. It's always someone else's fault. It's the predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. Or it's an "expectation" of lifestyle rather than working one's way up to a lifestyle.
The point here is opposition to the idea that wages are too low for the least skilled. They aren't. The problem is far too many people expecting things. The feeling of entitlement to a certain lifestyle.
Just about anyone can have whatever they want if they have been granted credit to buy it.
What they don't think about is the amount of income vs their expectations.
I have about $3,000 in credit card debt which I could liquidate right now. But I do not wish to use up a good amount liquid cash. I double up or even triple up payments which all but eliminates the interest. CC Interest only affects accounts where the borrower pays the minimum each month.
Now, I expect the argument that "what about the people who can't pay more than the minimum"...Too bad. Should not have gotten themselves in that position in the first place.
So, what is a living wage anyway? Is it one that pays for our necessities? Or a wage that pays for what we want?

you said it well.....

living wage = entitlement

For a bunch of linguine-spined losers that fail at LIFE. And they whine to gubmint to make it so, impose it on private companies. Government has no business at this.

It's about time for an armed March on the District Of Criminals.

Yeah, make sure you all go, and leave the surrender flags at home.:eusa_angel:
 
I agree with that. America does not need a "minimum" wage, it needs a "living" wage.

We already have a "living wage".....it's called go out and get a life....and a real job...which will pay you what you need to "live" the way you think you should...:lol:

That is sustainable wage.

This is a living wage> Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

Ok.. So? What is the point of the calculator?
Those numbers are not out of line .I checked Nassau County, NY (very expensive) and Warren County, NY (moderately expensive)
Is it your assertion that let's use for example, the wage for a convenience store clerk should be government mandated to over $20 per hour? Don't be ridiculous.
Ok, question...Where do you suppose the money would come from to pay the additional wages? Taxes? From the businesses themselves?
Ok let's increase taxes. Let's call it a "wage equalization tax"...So we now all have to pay 10 percentage points more in taxes to fund higher wages mandated by government.
So those in the 28% bracket now pay 38%. Those in the 15% bracket( and at $20 plus, there would be no one in the 15% bracket) And of course those in the 39% bracket would have HALF of their income confiscated so some dumbass who didn't bother to apply himself gets $20 per hour to say " you want fries with that?"
At the end of the day the additional money has to come from somewhere . Tax business and that cost is passed along to the end user. Result , higher prices which negate the higher wage.
Raise taxes on income and again, the additional pay is negated by higher taxes.
In either case the idea is inflationary. And really really dumb.
 
meh..................

how stupid..............dont we have enough people unemployed?

The only people who are for this have two things in common: 1) They dont own anything and 2) They have no concept of what it means to have real responsibilities in life.

The people who are against it have taken 2-3 jobs, and raised the numbers on unemployment. With a living wage, everybody would only need one job and this entire nation would be working instead of drawing unemployment benefits.

1 WORKER - 1 JOB
Oh please....Suppose I LIKE working more than one job?
You are just so full of ideas. Nearly all of them involving some kind of new government control over our lives.
There are plenty of socialist or totalitarian states you can live in where everyone is just like you....miserable. PICK ONE.
 
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Son.........it is the liberal way. Make as many people as miserable as they are!!! Indeed s0n.......you will note that they want to take away everybodys right to choose because they know what works best for society. Lucky for us, less than 20% of Americans think the way they do!!!!


You see s0n..............heres how it works in the real world. 70+% of all jobs are provided by small business. But guess what happens when the government ups the minimum wage? Thats right son..........people get laid off and then have no job, just so some fcukking loser can make a few cents more a week.

Your daddy is lying to you son. When everyone has a living wage, they can afford to survive by buying more products to run their house, so more production requires more workers, not less. Further son, your dad could afford to buy you braces for your teeth, and spend more time at home with you, because with a LW one worker can support one household, so millions more will have employment, and you dad won't have to pay for them sitting on unemployment & welfare roles. I hate to tell you kid, but you got a stupid dad, and hopefully the studies showing intelligence is passed on to the children, is wrong..........:lol:
Ok...Let's cut out the bullshit..
WHO gets to decide and then mandate how much a business must pay it's employees?
WHERE does the money come from to pay the additional wages?
ANSWER THOSE questions ONLY. Straight answers.
DO NOT add your commentary or opinion.
 
$9.50 is a "living wage"? Where?

If you government really cared about mandating a "living wage" then it would be closer to $20 an hour.


Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.
The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.
Those that think of "living" wage in terms of what is required to provide for living expenses( necessities only) are spot on. Those that ignore the reality that luxuries such as pay tv, memberships to gyms, expensive haircuts, new cars, going out to eat every week, etc, are not necessities are being unrealistic.
I worked in a career that took me into people's homes. I was taken aback by the percentage of people who live far beyond their means.
One glaring example was this couple. He was a corrections officer in a county jail. That is a public sector job. The wife worked as a receptionist for a chiropractic office.
I was interested because here these people were living in a larger and more costly home than mine in the same subdivision. Two of the rooms had NO furniture in them. I instinctively thought "house poor".
I guesstimated her wage at about $10 per hour. I looked up HIS salary on the internet. For new jailers in that county the wage was $29k per year.
So here I was looking at a couple with two kids making half the money that my wife and I made and they had a larger home and newer vehicles.
Typical case of people living far beyond their means.
These are the same people the Left weeps for when they run out of money. It's always someone else's fault. It's the predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. Or it's an "expectation" of lifestyle rather than working one's way up to a lifestyle.
The point here is opposition to the idea that wages are too low for the least skilled. They aren't. The problem is far too many people expecting things. The feeling of entitlement to a certain lifestyle.
Just about anyone can have whatever they want if they have been granted credit to buy it.
What they don't think about is the amount of income vs their expectations.
I have about $3,000 in credit card debt which I could liquidate right now. But I do not wish to use up a good amount liquid cash. I double up or even triple up payments which all but eliminates the interest. CC Interest only affects accounts where the borrower pays the minimum each month.
Now, I expect the argument that "what about the people who can't pay more than the minimum"...Too bad. Should not have gotten themselves in that position in the first place.
So, what is a living wage anyway? Is it one that pays for our necessities? Or a wage that pays for what we want?

you said it well.....

living wage = entitlement

So you believe the market determines wages? When Wall Street, the stock market was handed a trillion dollars, did you see wages jump through the sky as well?? Or did wages remain the same? So don't spread lies, he didn't say it well, and he didn't tell the truth.

He goes on to provide an example of a poor wage family living beyond their means. Did the market give them the means, in which case it had nothing to do with wages. So he didn't say it well after-all.

And why wouldn't it be "predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. " ? Did the people rob the bank, or water-board the bank execs to give them a loan. Totally ridiculous!!! And you think he said it well. You are losing any credibility you had!!:lol:
 
Why would a teenager need a job instead of an education, if his father has a living wage job? You don't make sense. Being part, being half, full time worker has nothing to do with a living wage. The LW is based on a houry rate for 40 hours work, in a particular area of America.

Believe it or not but lots of teenagers need a job so they can augment the funds their parents provide them to get an education....plus they want that first car, insurance, clothes, date money, etc......not to mention they get real life experience so they can later apply for a "real" job....

The "living wage" is a liberal determination that says a person must make enough money to support a family....most teenagers don't need to do that.....neither do countless others who just want to make some extra money....

When you force an employer to pay the kid who is sweeping his floors a higher wage he will get rid of him.....nobody wins...

...except the liberal idiots who think they are so damn SMART (not) about micromanaging jobs.....btw....where are all those JOBS Mr. Obama?....you SPENT SO MUCH...why the hell isn't that keynesian theory kicking in??? :lol:

Let his daddy support & raise him, and mom stay home & feed him, and stick nickles in a jor for that car & education like people used to do in America before they knew what a con was. Let the teen goal be his education, which in the socialist world will be free, because one TV channel can teach 300 million people their times table. 500 stations can teach Americans thousands of classes. Then sonny goes down to the state education board located next to DMV, and he takes a test for his diploma in whatever subject he wanted to be in. When he leaves his dads support, he will have a job and a living wage to start his life with.

Let the employer make his own way, that is why the call him boss.

Your screeching is falling on deaf ears.
You make no sense at all.
Time for your union coffee break.
 
We already have a "living wage".....it's called go out and get a life....and a real job...which will pay you what you need to "live" the way you think you should...:lol:

That is sustainable wage.

This is a living wage> Living Wage Calculator - Introduction to the Living Wage Calculator

Ok.. So? What is the point of the calculator?
Those numbers are not out of line .I checked Nassau County, NY (very expensive) and Warren County, NY (moderately expensive)
Is it your assertion that let's use for example, the wage for a convenience store clerk should be government mandated to over $20 per hour? Don't be ridiculous.
Ok, question...Where do you suppose the money would come from to pay the additional wages? Taxes? From the businesses themselves?
Ok let's increase taxes. Let's call it a "wage equalization tax"...So we now all have to pay 10 percentage points more in taxes to fund higher wages mandated by government.
So those in the 28% bracket now pay 38%. Those in the 15% bracket( and at $20 plus, there would be no one in the 15% bracket) And of course those in the 39% bracket would have HALF of their income confiscated so some dumbass who didn't bother to apply himself gets $20 per hour to say " you want fries with that?"
At the end of the day the additional money has to come from somewhere . Tax business and that cost is passed along to the end user. Result , higher prices which negate the higher wage.
Raise taxes on income and again, the additional pay is negated by higher taxes.
In either case the idea is inflationary. And really really dumb.

The wages will come from business profits, not taxes. And nothing dumb at all, because your taxes are going to go down when more people come off unemployment.
 
The wages will come from business profits, not taxes. And nothing dumb at all, because your taxes are going to go down when more people come off unemployment.

No, it won't come from profits. Two things will happen. Business will raise prices to cover the increase meaning you and me will pay for it and two, businesses will lay people off and produce less because there will be less demand. Unemployment will rise significantly.

Nobody deserves to be paid more than what the market dictates they be paid. The government has intruded into the economy enough as it is.
 
We raised minimum wage...and the price of everything went up...

If we raise it to $20 per hour, prices will go up to match and those folks will be in the same position they are today.

In the socialist world the living wage and product pricing is regulated so wherever you go in the country the same wages and prices are set.


You notice when the health industry attempted to jack up the health care premiums, the gov. stepped in and made them justify the increase. If they can not do that, the cost will remain the same.
No.. You are incorrect. This is "price" control. Not cost control.
The costs always rise. By controlling price, the end result is rationing.
Very simple.
Let's take gasoline for example.
Let's say the pump price is $3.00 per gallon. The producer, refiner and distributor have costs. In order for them to make a profit on the gas the price has to be $3.00 per gallon.
SO everyone is happy. Except for some politicians. They get together and say " we think the price of gas is too high. People are complaining. So we will from this day forward set the maximum price at $2.00 per gallon.
So here's what happens. Because the three entities mentioned above now must produce refine and sell gas at a loss, they have lay off workers involved in the process. The result is a shortage of gas. Finding it very difficult or even impossible to buy gas ,people are finding themselves limited on mobility and are struggling to get to work.
See where this is going?
Unless the federal government tears up the US Constitution and then passes a law nationalizing the oil industry and of course commandeers every single gas station across the country..And THEN finds a way to harvest oil at a cost that allows the government to at least break even, this WILL NEVER HAPPEN....
So the same with wages.
Socialism ALWAYS fails. ALWAYS."The socialist world".....Get the fuck out of here.
Hey genius. Ya want to know how people can earn your precious living wage? They need to get a job, learn the skills that will allow them to be promoted to a higher paying job.
 
$9.50 is a "living wage"? Where?

If you government really cared about mandating a "living wage" then it would be closer to $20 an hour.
Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.
Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.
The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.
Those that think of "living" wage in terms of what is required to provide for living expenses( necessities only) are spot on. Those that ignore the reality that luxuries such as pay tv, memberships to gyms, expensive haircuts, new cars, going out to eat every week, etc, are not necessities are being unrealistic.
I worked in a career that took me into people's homes. I was taken aback by the percentage of people who live far beyond their means.
One glaring example was this couple. He was a corrections officer in a county jail. That is a public sector job. The wife worked as a receptionist for a chiropractic office.
I was interested because here these people were living in a larger and more costly home than mine in the same subdivision. Two of the rooms had NO furniture in them. I instinctively thought "house poor".
I guesstimated her wage at about $10 per hour. I looked up HIS salary on the internet. For new jailers in that county the wage was $29k per year.
So here I was looking at a couple with two kids making half the money that my wife and I made and they had a larger home and newer vehicles.
Typical case of people living far beyond their means.
These are the same people the Left weeps for when they run out of money. It's always someone else's fault. It's the predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. Or it's an "expectation" of lifestyle rather than working one's way up to a lifestyle.
The point here is opposition to the idea that wages are too low for the least skilled. They aren't. The problem is far too many people expecting things. The feeling of entitlement to a certain lifestyle.
Just about anyone can have whatever they want if they have been granted credit to buy it.
What they don't think about is the amount of income vs their expectations.
I have about $3,000 in credit card debt which I could liquidate right now. But I do not wish to use up a good amount liquid cash. I double up or even triple up payments which all but eliminates the interest. CC Interest only affects accounts where the borrower pays the minimum each month.
Now, I expect the argument that "what about the people who can't pay more than the minimum"...Too bad. Should not have gotten themselves in that position in the first place.
So, what is a living wage anyway? Is it one that pays for our necessities? Or a wage that pays for what we want?

sniff............

Why did you not answer the questions?
"Sniff"? That's all you got?
It figures. Another cut and run from the issues lib.
You're not even worthy of the pigeon shit on that park bench.
You friggin slimy assed socialist test tube baby.
Now hear this.....SOCIALISM SUCKS SIDEWAYS.
Half the fucking people on earth are trying to move to the United States to get away from socialism and you cock suckers want to bring the socialism disease here.
 
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though inflation is running at historically low levels, less than 1 percent this year, the value of the minimum wage continues to erode. And, after adjusting for inflation over the past four decades, is still worth a lot less than it was in 1968. How much less can be seen is this chart from the Economic Policy Institute:

Daily Kos: Minimum wage needs permanent fix

Weird.

It seems the Daily Kos, like most socialists, is desperate to dupe the mathematically witless, or, more likely, never took more than High School Algebra I:

A. The minimum wage is much MORE than it has been some years

B. It has averaged about the same since 1960 (just eyeballing the chart)

C. It is, and has been, INCREASING
 
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meh..................

how stupid..............dont we have enough people unemployed?

The only people who are for this have two things in common: 1) They dont own anything and 2) They have no concept of what it means to have real responsibilities in life.

The people who are against it have taken 2-3 jobs, and raised the numbers on unemployment. With a living wage, everybody would only need one job and this entire nation would be working instead of drawing unemployment benefits.

1 WORKER - 1 JOB
Oh please....Suppose I LIKE working more than one job?
You are just so full of ideas. Nearly all of them involving some kind of new government control over our lives.
There are plenty of socialist or totalitarian states you can live in where everyone is just like you....miserable. PICK ONE.

More than one job? You can pay a 75% tax penalty for the second job to cover the worker who is on unemployment because of you. Hell, get 2 extra jobs & support 2 welfare queens. I am sure your family will enjoy your absence.

Gov. control? LMAO! The living wage takes people off social programs, and that means less government control. However a capitalist system needs a lot of regulatory controls in a failed attempt to make it work. Can't blame that on social programs. Hey, I can live right here in America dude, and when you get wounded three times in combat, then you might have a lil seniority to run me out of the country. Meantime, I will be here trying to make a better place for all Americans, not just a handful of capitalist crony's who don't feel miserable. :eusa_angel:
 
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Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.
The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.
Those that think of "living" wage in terms of what is required to provide for living expenses( necessities only) are spot on. Those that ignore the reality that luxuries such as pay tv, memberships to gyms, expensive haircuts, new cars, going out to eat every week, etc, are not necessities are being unrealistic.
I worked in a career that took me into people's homes. I was taken aback by the percentage of people who live far beyond their means.
One glaring example was this couple. He was a corrections officer in a county jail. That is a public sector job. The wife worked as a receptionist for a chiropractic office.
I was interested because here these people were living in a larger and more costly home than mine in the same subdivision. Two of the rooms had NO furniture in them. I instinctively thought "house poor".
I guesstimated her wage at about $10 per hour. I looked up HIS salary on the internet. For new jailers in that county the wage was $29k per year.
So here I was looking at a couple with two kids making half the money that my wife and I made and they had a larger home and newer vehicles.
Typical case of people living far beyond their means.
These are the same people the Left weeps for when they run out of money. It's always someone else's fault. It's the predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. Or it's an "expectation" of lifestyle rather than working one's way up to a lifestyle.
The point here is opposition to the idea that wages are too low for the least skilled. They aren't. The problem is far too many people expecting things. The feeling of entitlement to a certain lifestyle.
Just about anyone can have whatever they want if they have been granted credit to buy it.
What they don't think about is the amount of income vs their expectations.
I have about $3,000 in credit card debt which I could liquidate right now. But I do not wish to use up a good amount liquid cash. I double up or even triple up payments which all but eliminates the interest. CC Interest only affects accounts where the borrower pays the minimum each month.
Now, I expect the argument that "what about the people who can't pay more than the minimum"...Too bad. Should not have gotten themselves in that position in the first place.
So, what is a living wage anyway? Is it one that pays for our necessities? Or a wage that pays for what we want?

you said it well.....

living wage = entitlement

So you believe the market determines wages? When Wall Street, the stock market was handed a trillion dollars, did you see wages jump through the sky as well?? Or did wages remain the same? So don't spread lies, he didn't say it well, and he didn't tell the truth.

He goes on to provide an example of a poor wage family living beyond their means. Did the market give them the means, in which case it had nothing to do with wages. So he didn't say it well after-all.

And why wouldn't it be "predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. " ? Did the people rob the bank, or water-board the bank execs to give them a loan. Totally ridiculous!!! And you think he said it well. You are losing any credibility you had!!:lol:

Do you really think Wall Street is the sole "market"....? Does your local tradesman run to Wall Street to ask how much to charge for each of his items...? Or how much to pay his employees...? You have never run a business...have you...?

Regarding the family example....they were living beyond their means and were in debt....and not because they were lacking in the basic necessities to live....why should we feel sorry for people who do that....? Nobody forced them to go broke....they did it to themselves....how can a bank be predatory if YOU don't sign their loan to buy stuff you can't afford?...did the bank force their hands to sign?....yet you think everybody else should pay for these people because they are "poor"...because they are "entitled" to have a "living wage" that will pay for all the extras...

You are the one whose credibility is sorely lacking...
 
The wages will come from business profits, not taxes. And nothing dumb at all, because your taxes are going to go down when more people come off unemployment.

No, it won't come from profits. Two things will happen. Business will raise prices to cover the increase meaning you and me will pay for it and two, businesses will lay people off and produce less because there will be less demand. Unemployment will rise significantly.

Nobody deserves to be paid more than what the market dictates they be paid. The government has intruded into the economy enough as it is.

If I stick $200 more a week in your pocket, will that create less demand? Will prices rise if people buy more or less? When more people are working, does that create less demand? When more people come off welfare & unemployment does that put more money in your pocket?

What dictates the market? Show me an example where wages have raised in the last ten years due to profits or whatever in the market place. I hear you parroting shit, but don't see any action.
 
Government has NO business mandating wages. the market determines wages.Minimum wage is NOT a living wage. Living wage and minimum wage are mutually exclusive.
The min wage actually contributes to unemployment among low or unskilled labor.
Those that think of "living" wage in terms of what is required to provide for living expenses( necessities only) are spot on. Those that ignore the reality that luxuries such as pay tv, memberships to gyms, expensive haircuts, new cars, going out to eat every week, etc, are not necessities are being unrealistic.
I worked in a career that took me into people's homes. I was taken aback by the percentage of people who live far beyond their means.
One glaring example was this couple. He was a corrections officer in a county jail. That is a public sector job. The wife worked as a receptionist for a chiropractic office.
I was interested because here these people were living in a larger and more costly home than mine in the same subdivision. Two of the rooms had NO furniture in them. I instinctively thought "house poor".
I guesstimated her wage at about $10 per hour. I looked up HIS salary on the internet. For new jailers in that county the wage was $29k per year.
So here I was looking at a couple with two kids making half the money that my wife and I made and they had a larger home and newer vehicles.
Typical case of people living far beyond their means.
These are the same people the Left weeps for when they run out of money. It's always someone else's fault. It's the predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. Or it's an "expectation" of lifestyle rather than working one's way up to a lifestyle.
The point here is opposition to the idea that wages are too low for the least skilled. They aren't. The problem is far too many people expecting things. The feeling of entitlement to a certain lifestyle.
Just about anyone can have whatever they want if they have been granted credit to buy it.
What they don't think about is the amount of income vs their expectations.
I have about $3,000 in credit card debt which I could liquidate right now. But I do not wish to use up a good amount liquid cash. I double up or even triple up payments which all but eliminates the interest. CC Interest only affects accounts where the borrower pays the minimum each month.
Now, I expect the argument that "what about the people who can't pay more than the minimum"...Too bad. Should not have gotten themselves in that position in the first place.
So, what is a living wage anyway? Is it one that pays for our necessities? Or a wage that pays for what we want?

you said it well.....

living wage = entitlement

So you believe the market determines wages? When Wall Street, the stock market was handed a trillion dollars, did you see wages jump through the sky as well?? Or did wages remain the same? So don't spread lies, he didn't say it well, and he didn't tell the truth.

He goes on to provide an example of a poor wage family living beyond their means. Did the market give them the means, in which case it had nothing to do with wages. So he didn't say it well after-all.

And why wouldn't it be "predatory lending or it's the bank's fault for granting credit. " ? Did the people rob the bank, or water-board the bank execs to give them a loan. Totally ridiculous!!! And you think he said it well. You are losing any credibility you had!!:lol:
Chuck duck dive....Nice try. You're all over with, dopey.
And yes, the market DOES indeed determine wages. The living wage calculator for which you provided a link states that fact very clearly.
 
The wages will come from business profits, not taxes. And nothing dumb at all, because your taxes are going to go down when more people come off unemployment.

No, it won't come from profits. Two things will happen. Business will raise prices to cover the increase meaning you and me will pay for it and two, businesses will lay people off and produce less because there will be less demand. Unemployment will rise significantly.

Nobody deserves to be paid more than what the market dictates they be paid. The government has intruded into the economy enough as it is.

If I stick $200 more a week in your pocket, will that create less demand? Will prices rise if people buy more or less? When more people are working, does that create less demand? When more people come off welfare & unemployment does that put more money in your pocket?

What dictates the market? Show me an example where wages have raised in the last ten years due to profits or whatever in the market place. I hear you parroting shit, but don't see any action.
That is a contradictory argument to left's "tax the rich" mantra.
Unreal.
You bitches on the political left like to scream about how those with more do not spend it but actually "horde" money. Now you flip that over and attempt to demonstrate that a person has "an extra $200 stuck in his pocket" would go out and stimulate the economy?
What a bunch of cross dressing horse shit.
Wages are adjusted upward when the cost of labor and materials lags behind.
For example. If the American widget company has employees that sell more widgets above their quota, those employees are rewarded with a salary increase.
I know ,I know.. You'll call bullshit because you libs all think business exists to screw people.
Spare me the union marching song, will ya?
You have the nerve to come on here and spew all kinds of stuff in a attempt to look as though you know something. And you have to ask the question "what dictates the market"
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