Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan

[Immanuel]

It depends, in this alternate reality are republicans in charge?? if so then I would definitely have to say C. Actually 'B' would fit the current reality quite well where righties are conerned.

Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in the left that you have... in some ways I envy you, in that you seem to have a blind faith in slightly more than half of our elected officials. I truly wish I could feel the same faith.

I have to say that for me, I believe the entire lot of Nationally elected official are corrupt or well on their way to being so. I do not believe that they start out that way. Most, if not all, start out with the express intent of making America a better place, but the system eventually wears them down. It's not their fault, but it just plain happens.

Immie

uh I don't have blind faith in the left. I just know I don't like the fact that the right goes out of their way to see and create evil in the left to the point that they will just make it up if they think they will gain politically.
nonexistent death panels, this is a bailout bill claims based on a talking poiint memo produced before the bill was written as they hold the nation hostage to get their way, obama nationalized student loans when all he did was end the socialistic program of subsidizing student loans with federal money, obamacare is a take over of the healthcare industry when no such takeover is in the bill, and obama is a socialist becuase he took over GM because they took bailout money and in no way shape or form is it considered a take over of the auto industry by any honest person.

When the right makes up shit like this because they believe that a failure on the parts of democrats is a boon to them as the country waits for and demands that something be done I can harldy have any faith that the right will do what's right.
They are playing politics while claiming that they too want to get things done even as they do everything in their power to create a stalemate.

I hate to say it but both sides do everything you just mentioned. That doesn't make it right, but it IS what pisses me off about politics.

I don't see either side as being inherently evil. Let me clarify that, Politicians are corrupt, but the political side... both liberal and conservative have good points to make. Extremists... well, don't get me started on that. But, I can see good things from both sides of the issue and I see goodness in the hearts of both sides. I think a lot of the time we both want the same thing, we just want to get there in different manners.

A slight change to the subject but in response to part of what you said, I fully believe it is the goal of President Obama to institute Universal Health Care. I heard him say so himself. In my humble opinion that can either be a good thing or a bad thing. I'm all for providing health insurance of needy people. I grew up under Kaiser HMO in California and I think it is a wonderful plan and if Universal Health Care were structured as it was, I'd be thrilled to death. Unfortunately, what I see is bureaucrats running our health in the manner of Medicare. Medicare is better than nothing, but it is a far cry from adequate.

I am extremely uncomfortable with the "public option" that was in the initial bills as I see it as putting private insurers out of business... which will mean the loss of I would guess hundreds of thousands of jobs. It [the public option] was not designed as an option but rather the only "option". You will play hell getting me to accept that. It scares the hell out of me.

I suppose I've said enough in this post as I've said all of this before. But that is what I feel about the Democratic Health Care proposal. One more thing, I don't believe the Republicans have a better alternative. Oh and one more thing... something HAS to be done before the system collapses entirely. Don't ask me for all the answers, but if you want my help, I'd be willing to lend a hand.

Immie

 

[Polk]

Oh and most state taxes are rising. But that has nothing to do with the feds, right?

No, it doesn't. It has to do with the state balanced budget amendments.

 

[keee keee]

This has to be a lie the Messiah said we would not have our taxes raised. Did our holy man lie? Say it is not so!!!!

 

[Polk]

And this article isn't even talking about the effect his deficit is going to have on our great-great grandchildren.

Immie

Yeah, "[Obama's] deficit", even though the vast majority of the deficit is actually caused by Bush administration decisions.

 

[Polk]

Also, are you guys really dumb enough to believe the AMT extension won't be passed for eleven-billionth time?

 

[Oddball]

 

[Polk]

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but cutting taxes increases the deficit.

 

[drsmith1072]

Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in the left that you have... in some ways I envy you, in that you seem to have a blind faith in slightly more than half of our elected officials. I truly wish I could feel the same faith.

I have to say that for me, I believe the entire lot of Nationally elected official are corrupt or well on their way to being so. I do not believe that they start out that way. Most, if not all, start out with the express intent of making America a better place, but the system eventually wears them down. It's not their fault, but it just plain happens.

Immie

uh I don't have blind faith in the left. I just know I don't like the fact that the right goes out of their way to see and create evil in the left to the point that they will just make it up if they think they will gain politically.
nonexistent death panels, this is a bailout bill claims based on a talking poiint memo produced before the bill was written as they hold the nation hostage to get their way, obama nationalized student loans when all he did was end the socialistic program of subsidizing student loans with federal money, obamacare is a take over of the healthcare industry when no such takeover is in the bill, and obama is a socialist becuase he took over GM because they took bailout money and in no way shape or form is it considered a take over of the auto industry by any honest person.

When the right makes up shit like this because they believe that a failure on the parts of democrats is a boon to them as the country waits for and demands that something be done I can harldy have any faith that the right will do what's right.
They are playing politics while claiming that they too want to get things done even as they do everything in their power to create a stalemate.

I hate to say it but both sides do everything you just mentioned. That doesn't make it right, but it IS what pisses me off about politics.

I don't see either side as being inherently evil. Let me clarify that, Politicians are corrupt, but the political side... both liberal and conservative have good points to make. Extremists... well, don't get me started on that. But, I can see good things from both sides of the issue and I see goodness in the hearts of both sides. I think a lot of the time we both want the same thing, we just want to get there in different manners.

A slight change to the subject but in response to part of what you said, I fully believe it is the goal of President Obama to institute Universal Health Care. I heard him say so himself. In my humble opinion that can either be a good thing or a bad thing. I'm all for providing health insurance of needy people. I grew up under Kaiser HMO in California and I think it is a wonderful plan and if Universal Health Care were structured as it was, I'd be thrilled to death. Unfortunately, what I see is bureaucrats running our health in the manner of Medicare. Medicare is better than nothing, but it is a far cry from adequate.

I am extremely uncomfortable with the "public option" that was in the initial bills as I see it as putting private insurers out of business... which will mean the loss of I would guess hundreds of thousands of jobs. It [the public option] was not designed as an option but rather the only "option". You will play hell getting me to accept that. It scares the hell out of me.

I suppose I've said enough in this post as I've said all of this before. But that is what I feel about the Democratic Health Care proposal. One more thing, I don't believe the Republicans have a better alternative. Oh and one more thing... something HAS to be done before the system collapses entirely. Don't ask me for all the answers, but if you want my help, I'd be willing to lend a hand.

Immie

LOL IMO, I don't think you hate to say it. Minimizing what the right is doing would seem to serve the right's purposes.
However, what the republicans are doing NOW has never been done at this level in the past and any time the dems even thought about doing something similar when they were in the minority a few of the more moderate dems voted to end the stalemate. Unfortunately with the current batch of republicans it would appear that next to no moderate voices exist and that they are hoping for stagnation and failure because they believe it will benefit them in the next election.

They are obstructing EVERYTHING and putting party first as the country suffers for it.

As for your beliefs on healthcare I sincerely doubt that a public option would have bankrupted private insurers but instead brought about much needed competition in a system that has none by any real standard.

And Your last statement is what i am primarily talking about. Something has to be done but as it is now all you get from the right is obstruction based on the bs argument that the bills are partisan because republicans chose to vote against them in committee despite that fact that republican input was included. Once again they pretend that as the minority ALL of their positions should be represented in the bill, 100%, or else they refuse to consider it compromise and vote against it.
They got some of what they wanted they should just do what is good for the country and get something passed instead of obstructing, playing politics and putting party first while country suffers.

 

[Xenophon]

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but cutting taxes increases the deficit.

It may be more shocking for you to hear, but adding trillions in entitlements increases it far more.

 

[Immanuel]

uh I don't have blind faith in the left. I just know I don't like the fact that the right goes out of their way to see and create evil in the left to the point that they will just make it up if they think they will gain politically.
nonexistent death panels, this is a bailout bill claims based on a talking poiint memo produced before the bill was written as they hold the nation hostage to get their way, obama nationalized student loans when all he did was end the socialistic program of subsidizing student loans with federal money, obamacare is a take over of the healthcare industry when no such takeover is in the bill, and obama is a socialist becuase he took over GM because they took bailout money and in no way shape or form is it considered a take over of the auto industry by any honest person.

When the right makes up shit like this because they believe that a failure on the parts of democrats is a boon to them as the country waits for and demands that something be done I can harldy have any faith that the right will do what's right.
They are playing politics while claiming that they too want to get things done even as they do everything in their power to create a stalemate.

I hate to say it but both sides do everything you just mentioned. That doesn't make it right, but it IS what pisses me off about politics.

I don't see either side as being inherently evil. Let me clarify that, Politicians are corrupt, but the political side... both liberal and conservative have good points to make. Extremists... well, don't get me started on that. But, I can see good things from both sides of the issue and I see goodness in the hearts of both sides. I think a lot of the time we both want the same thing, we just want to get there in different manners.

A slight change to the subject but in response to part of what you said, I fully believe it is the goal of President Obama to institute Universal Health Care. I heard him say so himself. In my humble opinion that can either be a good thing or a bad thing. I'm all for providing health insurance of needy people. I grew up under Kaiser HMO in California and I think it is a wonderful plan and if Universal Health Care were structured as it was, I'd be thrilled to death. Unfortunately, what I see is bureaucrats running our health in the manner of Medicare. Medicare is better than nothing, but it is a far cry from adequate.

I am extremely uncomfortable with the "public option" that was in the initial bills as I see it as putting private insurers out of business... which will mean the loss of I would guess hundreds of thousands of jobs. It [the public option] was not designed as an option but rather the only "option". You will play hell getting me to accept that. It scares the hell out of me.

I suppose I've said enough in this post as I've said all of this before. But that is what I feel about the Democratic Health Care proposal. One more thing, I don't believe the Republicans have a better alternative. Oh and one more thing... something HAS to be done before the system collapses entirely. Don't ask me for all the answers, but if you want my help, I'd be willing to lend a hand.

Immie

LOL IMO, I don't think you hate to say it. Minimizing what the right is doing would seem to serve the right's purposes.
However, what the republicans are doing NOW has never been done at this level in the past and any time the dems even thought about doing something similar when they were in the minority a few of the more moderate dems voted to end the stalemate. Unfortunately with the current batch of republicans it would appear that next to no moderate voices exist and that they are hoping for stagnation and failure because they believe it will benefit them in the next election.

They are obstructing EVERYTHING and putting party first as the country suffers for it.

As for your beliefs on healthcare I sincerely doubt that a public option would have bankrupted private insurers but instead brought about much needed competition in a system that has none by any real standard.

And Your last statement is what i am primarily talking about. Something has to be done but as it is now all you get from the right is obstruction based on the bs argument that the bills are partisan because republicans chose to vote against them in committee despite that fact that republican input was included. Once again they pretend that as the minority ALL of their positions should be represented in the bill, 100%, or else they refuse to consider it compromise and vote against it.
They got some of what they wanted they should just do what is good for the country and get something passed instead of obstructing, playing politics and putting party first while country suffers.

I am glad to know that there is at least one person in America that loves what was forced upon us when President Obama signed that bill.

I do not believe you read anything about the "public option" and if you did, then you don't have any business sense at all. It was designed with one thing in mind and one thing only. To make Private Insurance Companies puppets of the U.S. Government. They will not be allowed to write new policies unless they are tools of the government accepting the limits and conditions placed upon them by the government.

Oh, they can go their own way if they want to... but if they do, they can not write new policies... duh! That means in a few years they die out.

The public option is no option at all.

And maybe... just maybe, obstructing the government is exactly what needs to be done regardless of which party is in control.

Immie

 

[drsmith1072]

Also, are you guys really dumb enough to believe the AMT extension won't be passed for eleven-billionth time?

If it allows them to believe that they can use it to attack obama then my guess is that they will believe and repeat ANYTHING no matter how absurd.

 

[drsmith1072]

I hate to say it but both sides do everything you just mentioned. That doesn't make it right, but it IS what pisses me off about politics.

I don't see either side as being inherently evil. Let me clarify that, Politicians are corrupt, but the political side... both liberal and conservative have good points to make. Extremists... well, don't get me started on that. But, I can see good things from both sides of the issue and I see goodness in the hearts of both sides. I think a lot of the time we both want the same thing, we just want to get there in different manners.

A slight change to the subject but in response to part of what you said, I fully believe it is the goal of President Obama to institute Universal Health Care. I heard him say so himself. In my humble opinion that can either be a good thing or a bad thing. I'm all for providing health insurance of needy people. I grew up under Kaiser HMO in California and I think it is a wonderful plan and if Universal Health Care were structured as it was, I'd be thrilled to death. Unfortunately, what I see is bureaucrats running our health in the manner of Medicare. Medicare is better than nothing, but it is a far cry from adequate.

I am extremely uncomfortable with the "public option" that was in the initial bills as I see it as putting private insurers out of business... which will mean the loss of I would guess hundreds of thousands of jobs. It [the public option] was not designed as an option but rather the only "option". You will play hell getting me to accept that. It scares the hell out of me.

I suppose I've said enough in this post as I've said all of this before. But that is what I feel about the Democratic Health Care proposal. One more thing, I don't believe the Republicans have a better alternative. Oh and one more thing... something HAS to be done before the system collapses entirely. Don't ask me for all the answers, but if you want my help, I'd be willing to lend a hand.

Immie

LOL IMO, I don't think you hate to say it. Minimizing what the right is doing would seem to serve the right's purposes.
However, what the republicans are doing NOW has never been done at this level in the past and any time the dems even thought about doing something similar when they were in the minority a few of the more moderate dems voted to end the stalemate. Unfortunately with the current batch of republicans it would appear that next to no moderate voices exist and that they are hoping for stagnation and failure because they believe it will benefit them in the next election.

They are obstructing EVERYTHING and putting party first as the country suffers for it.

As for your beliefs on healthcare I sincerely doubt that a public option would have bankrupted private insurers but instead brought about much needed competition in a system that has none by any real standard.

And Your last statement is what i am primarily talking about. Something has to be done but as it is now all you get from the right is obstruction based on the bs argument that the bills are partisan because republicans chose to vote against them in committee despite that fact that republican input was included. Once again they pretend that as the minority ALL of their positions should be represented in the bill, 100%, or else they refuse to consider it compromise and vote against it.
They got some of what they wanted they should just do what is good for the country and get something passed instead of obstructing, playing politics and putting party first while country suffers.

I am glad to know that there is at least one person in America that loves what was forced upon us when President Obama signed that bill.

I do not believe you read anything about the "public option" and if you did, then you don't have any business sense at all. It was designed with one thing in mind and one thing only. To make Private Insurance Companies puppets of the U.S. Government. They will not be allowed to write new policies unless they are tools of the government accepting the limits and conditions placed upon them by the government.

Oh, they can go their own way if they want to... but if they do, they can not write new policies... duh! That means in a few years they die out.

The public option is no option at all.

And maybe... just maybe, obstructing the government is exactly what needs to be done regardless of which party is in control.

Immie

Wow so you once again can't be honest and have to start by putting words into my mouth.

I never said I loved it and it wasn't forced so you can stop spreading that lie right now.

Thanks for the OPINION about the public option but despite your attempts to attack me AGAIN, you failed to provide one iota of substance to back up your spin. i wonder why??

ok so now you contradict yourself. You said that something needs to be done in your previous post and now you are defending obstruction from a party bent on seeing America fail for political gain. So which is it today?? LOL

Oh and nice avoidance of the fact that what republicans are doing is pretty much unprecidented considering the level at which they are obstructing and playing party politics. They are obstructing EVERYTHING which has the effect of keeping things the same so they can benefit politically when thigns don't improve.
Even you admit that something needs to be done to fix the flawed system even as you defend and excuse the obstructionists. LOL

 

[Immanuel]

LOL IMO, I don't think you hate to say it. Minimizing what the right is doing would seem to serve the right's purposes.
However, what the republicans are doing NOW has never been done at this level in the past and any time the dems even thought about doing something similar when they were in the minority a few of the more moderate dems voted to end the stalemate. Unfortunately with the current batch of republicans it would appear that next to no moderate voices exist and that they are hoping for stagnation and failure because they believe it will benefit them in the next election.

They are obstructing EVERYTHING and putting party first as the country suffers for it.

As for your beliefs on healthcare I sincerely doubt that a public option would have bankrupted private insurers but instead brought about much needed competition in a system that has none by any real standard.

And Your last statement is what i am primarily talking about. Something has to be done but as it is now all you get from the right is obstruction based on the bs argument that the bills are partisan because republicans chose to vote against them in committee despite that fact that republican input was included. Once again they pretend that as the minority ALL of their positions should be represented in the bill, 100%, or else they refuse to consider it compromise and vote against it.
They got some of what they wanted they should just do what is good for the country and get something passed instead of obstructing, playing politics and putting party first while country suffers.

I am glad to know that there is at least one person in America that loves what was forced upon us when President Obama signed that bill.

I do not believe you read anything about the "public option" and if you did, then you don't have any business sense at all. It was designed with one thing in mind and one thing only. To make Private Insurance Companies puppets of the U.S. Government. They will not be allowed to write new policies unless they are tools of the government accepting the limits and conditions placed upon them by the government.

Oh, they can go their own way if they want to... but if they do, they can not write new policies... duh! That means in a few years they die out.

The public option is no option at all.

And maybe... just maybe, obstructing the government is exactly what needs to be done regardless of which party is in control.

Immie

Wow so you once again can't be honest and have to start by putting words into my mouth.

I never said I loved it and it wasn't forced so you can stop spreading that lie right now.

Thanks for the OPINION about the public option but despite your attempts to attack me AGAIN, you failed to provide one iota of substance to back up your spin. i wonder why??

ok so now you contradict yourself. You said that something needs to be done in your previous post and now you are defending obstruction from a party bent on seeing America fail for political gain. So which is it today?? LOL

Oh and nice avoidance of the fact that what republicans are doing is pretty much unprecidented considering the level at which they are obstructing and playing party politics. They are obstructing EVERYTHING which has the effect of keeping things the same so they can benefit politically when thigns don't improve.
Even you admit that something needs to be done to fix the flawed system even as you defend and excuse the obstructionists. LOL

As for who is attacking whom, you have never addressed me without attacking me, so it appears you are simply projecting again.

I put no words in your mouth. You obviously worship Obama and his Health Care Reform. You have made that plain and clear. Hell, the blind can see that. It was forced upon us, by Barack, Nancy and Harry. The denial of which is simply more lies coming off those obscene fingers of yours.

And every time we have a discussion that is all you do is puts words in my mouth. So, if you are going to continue to project and be an ass, I won't bother to attempt to discuss anything with you.

If you can't debate honestly then why the fuck do you even bother to come here?

Why should I comment about the unprecedented Republican obstructionism? I don't have any disagreement with you about it. Are you so damned insecure that you need everyone with whom you have a discussion to pat you on the back and say, "that away Smith"?

I've provided evidence about the public option in prior posts. You are just too dishonest to admit it. You have proven yourself to be a liar time and time again.

As for health care reform, something does need to be done, but not things that our politicians want to do. They (both sides) are not interested in solutions. They want control. That is evidently something that you are too blind to see, because as I said it is evident that you worship the Democratic Party. I can't help the fact that you are absolutely unwilling to look at both sides of any issue. When dealing with a partisan hack such as yourself, there is not a whole hell of a lot of room for discussion.

Later.

Immie

 

[skookerasbil]

But...but Barry promised not to raise taxes a single dime for all those under $250K. Many dimes though is a different story.

You know something...........his sick ass was probably thinking just that when he said that in the debates. Just like his "change' pledge.........little did the stupids of the world know that by change, he meant turn the country upside down.

 

[drsmith1072]

I am glad to know that there is at least one person in America that loves what was forced upon us when President Obama signed that bill.

I do not believe you read anything about the "public option" and if you did, then you don't have any business sense at all. It was designed with one thing in mind and one thing only. To make Private Insurance Companies puppets of the U.S. Government. They will not be allowed to write new policies unless they are tools of the government accepting the limits and conditions placed upon them by the government.

Oh, they can go their own way if they want to... but if they do, they can not write new policies... duh! That means in a few years they die out.

The public option is no option at all.

And maybe... just maybe, obstructing the government is exactly what needs to be done regardless of which party is in control.

Immie

Wow so you once again can't be honest and have to start by putting words into my mouth.

I never said I loved it and it wasn't forced so you can stop spreading that lie right now.

Thanks for the OPINION about the public option but despite your attempts to attack me AGAIN, you failed to provide one iota of substance to back up your spin. i wonder why??

ok so now you contradict yourself. You said that something needs to be done in your previous post and now you are defending obstruction from a party bent on seeing America fail for political gain. So which is it today?? LOL

Oh and nice avoidance of the fact that what republicans are doing is pretty much unprecidented considering the level at which they are obstructing and playing party politics. They are obstructing EVERYTHING which has the effect of keeping things the same so they can benefit politically when thigns don't improve.
Even you admit that something needs to be done to fix the flawed system even as you defend and excuse the obstructionists. LOL

As for who is attacking whom, you have never addressed me without attacking me, so it appears you are simply projecting again.

I put no words in your mouth. You obviously worship Obama and his Health Care Reform. You have made that plain and clear. Hell, the blind can see that. It was forced upon us, by Barack, Nancy and Harry. The denial of which is simply more lies coming off those obscene fingers of yours.

And every time we have a discussion that is all you do is puts words in my mouth. So, if you are going to continue to project and be an ass, I won't bother to attempt to discuss anything with you.

If you can't debate honestly then why the fuck do you even bother to come here?

Why should I comment about the unprecedented Republican obstructionism? I don't have any disagreement with you about it. Are you so damned insecure that you need everyone with whom you have a discussion to pat you on the back and say, "that away Smith"?

I've provided evidence about the public option in prior posts. You are just too dishonest to admit it. You have proven yourself to be a liar time and time again.

As for health care reform, something does need to be done, but not things that our politicians want to do. They (both sides) are not interested in solutions. They want control. That is evidently something that you are too blind to see, because as I said it is evident that you worship the Democratic Party. I can't help the fact that you are absolutely unwilling to look at both sides of any issue. When dealing with a partisan hack such as yourself, there is not a whole hell of a lot of room for discussion.

Later.

Immie

Talk about prjection?? LOL you attacked when you tried to claim i held a belief something I NEVER held and have never expressed on this board all so you could try to justify your baseless attacks. The best defense that you have to offer is to pretend that I attacked you. LOL

Then you follow that up with MORE projection as you try to claim that I put words in your mouth when you are the one claiming that I "love what was forced on us" when i NEVER made such a claim.
Furthermore, they passed legislation that you disagreed with and that is NOT forcing anything. It's part of the process and naturally there will always be some that do not supoport any piece of legislation. However, it's passage is not forcing anything anymore than any other legisaltion that people disagree with has.

If you can't debate honestly then why the fuck do you even bother to come here?

maybe you should ask yourself that question since it's obvious that you can't debate honestly and it has been proven so based on your dishonest attetmpt to claim I love the healthcare bill when i have never said anything of the sort?

Your claims are unproven just as they were unproven when you last time presented your "evidence" and then quickly left the thread after your evidence was proven WRONG.

As usual you make claims that you can't support and then when asked for proof you make any lame excuse to avoid providing proof that you know you don't have.

How typical and expected.

 

[drsmith1072]

Oh and immie, as to your first claim in post #73.

As for who is attacking whom, you have never addressed me without attacking me, so it appears you are simply projecting again.

This was my first response to you in this thread.

It depends, in this alternate reality are republicans in charge?? if so then I would definitely have to say C. Actually 'B' would fit the current reality quite well where righties are conerned.

so where did I attack YOU??

and then here is your response.

Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in the left that you have... in some ways I envy you, in that you seem to have a blind faith in slightly more than half of our elected officials. I truly wish I could feel the same faith.

I have to say that for me, I believe the entire lot of Nationally elected official are corrupt or well on their way to being so. I do not believe that they start out that way. Most, if not all, start out with the express intent of making America a better place, but the system eventually wears them down. It's not their fault, but it just plain happens.

It seems to me that YOU attacked me. Where as, I did not attack you. So your claim that I have never responded to you without attacking YOU is patently FALSE. Based on the evidence it would seem that you are in fact the one projecting. LOL

Oh and in my response to your attack, I did NOT attack you. So that is more evidence that your claim is FALSE.

 

[Immanuel]

Oh and immie, as to your first claim in post #73.

As for who is attacking whom, you have never addressed me without attacking me, so it appears you are simply projecting again.

This was my first response to you in this thread.

It depends, in this alternate reality are republicans in charge?? if so then I would definitely have to say C. Actually 'B' would fit the current reality quite well where righties are conerned.

so where did I attack YOU??

Where did you attack me?

LOL IMO, I don't think you hate to say it.

You called me a liar right there, jackass. That is a personal attack if I have ever seen one.

And what the hell is with all your "LOL". When you do that, in the manner you do, it makes it appear that you are laughing at people and that you think you are so much smarter than everyone else.

To be frank with you, it only makes you look like a jackass. People that are smart, don't need to try so hard to make others think they are smart.

And in my comment, I was not attacking you at least not intentionally. As I stated, I do not have the faith that you have in either political party. I am furious at both parties. American politicians are corrupt and they are destroying this country. I respect that you do not feel this towards them... at least not yet. There was no intention to attack you in that section that you quoted. I do wish I did not feel the way that I do towards the people that lead this country. It would make my life here in America so much better. I grew up believing that I should respect the President, Congress, the courts and the state governments, but now it seems to be something that do not deserve our respect.

It saddens me, because I feel that I dishonor my country because I do not feel proper honor to those who lead, but how can we when we see that they are destroying this country and I am not only speaking of Democrats. Truly, I am not.

Immie

 

[jeffrockit]

As for your beliefs on healthcare I sincerely doubt that a public option would have bankrupted private insurers but instead brought about much needed competition in a system that has none by any real standard.

That is completely untrue. How can a public option bring about competition when the govt would not have to make a profit to stay in "business" and would have an unlimited pool money to fund the "Government Option". How do private businesses compete with that? To use a term the liberals often use, how it that "fair". Seems to me libs are all about fairness.

Real competition could have been brought about through allowing individuals to buy HC insurance across state lines. That was something the Repubs tried to get in the bill and was soundly rejected by the Dems.

The govt is going to regulate and mandate these HC companies into bankruptcy and then claim that they were given a chance to do the right thing but now they (govt) will have to step in and save everyone from these failing companies.

 

[Old Rocks]

Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan - Yahoo! News

Isn't it funny how this ALWAYS ends up being the Democrat's plan?

Even without the neccessary money to prevent the Second Great Republican Depression, this would have been neccessary. Either you wish to carry the deficit, or you must increase taxes and decrease spending.

Or, create an atmosphere in which there is enough business to increase the revenue from existing tax rates.

 

[elvis]

Millions face tax increases under Dems budget plan - Yahoo! News

Isn't it funny how this ALWAYS ends up being the Democrat's plan?

Even without the neccessary money to prevent the Second Great Republican Depression, this would have been neccessary. Either you wish to carry the deficit, or you must increase taxes and decrease spending.

Or, create an atmosphere in which there is enough business to increase the revenue from existing tax rates.

again, dumbfuck, when did clinton and dodd become republicans?