Millions Die Via Liberal Science

[Old Rocks]

JAPS doesn't publish opinion pieces, dipwad. Just because the research and conclusions don't suit you doesn't make them "opinion". Sorry you're so uneducated you've never heard of the JAPS.

I'm hoping that you're not actually familiar with JPandS. If you're not, you might want to familiarize yourself with it.

LOL!!!!!!

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Journal of American Physicians and SurgeonsThe Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPandS), until 2003 named the Medical Sentinel,[34][35] is the journal of the association. Its mission statement includes "… a commitment to publishing scholarly articles in defense of the practice of private medicine, the pursuit of integrity in medical research … Political correctness, dogmatism and orthodoxy will be challenged with logical reasoning, valid data and the scientific method." The publication policy of the journal states that articles are subject to a double-blind peer-review process.[36]

The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is not listed in major academic literature databases such as MEDLINE/PubMed[37] nor the Web of Science.[38] The National Library of Medicine declined repeated requests from AAPS to index the journal, citing unspecified concerns.[3] Articles and commentaries published in the journal have argued a number of non-mainstream or scientifically discredited claims,[3] including:

that the Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional;[39]
that "humanists" have conspired to replace the "creation religion of Jehovah" with evolution;[40]
that human activity has not contributed to climate change, and that global warming will be beneficial and thus not a cause for concern;[41]
that HIV does not cause AIDS;[42][43]
that the "gay male lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.[44]
A series of articles by pro-life authors published in the journal argued for a link between abortion and breast cancer.[45][46] Such a link has been rejected by the scientific community, including the U.S. National Cancer Institute,[47] the American Cancer Society,[48] and the World Health Organization,[49] among other major medical bodies.[50]

A 2003 paper published in the journal, claiming that vaccination was harmful, was criticized for poor methodology, lack of scientific rigor, and outright errors by the World Health Organization[51] and the American Academy of Pediatrics.[52] A National Public Radio piece mentioned inaccurate information published in the Journal and wrote: "The journal itself is not considered a leading publication, as it's put out by an advocacy group that opposes most government involvement in medical care."[53]

Quackwatch lists JPandS as an untrustworthy, non-recommended periodical.[54] An editorial in Chemical & Engineering News by editor-in-chief Rudy Baum described JPandS as a "purveyor of utter nonsense."[55] Investigative journalist Brian Deer wrote that the journal is the "house magazine of a right-wing American fringe group [AAPS]" and "is barely credible as an independent forum."[56]

 

[Cecilie1200]

JAPS doesn't publish opinion pieces, dipwad. Just because the research and conclusions don't suit you doesn't make them "opinion". Sorry you're so uneducated you've never heard of the JAPS.

I'm hoping that you're not actually familiar with JPandS. If you're not, you might want to familiarize yourself with it.

Wikipedia? You want to denigrate a source, and your example of a reliable source upon which to base that is WIKIPEDIA?!

Fail on an epic level. Bards should be writing sagas about a failure this heroic.

 

[konradv]

All right, Sparky. How about the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons? That work for you?

http://www.jpands.org/vol9no3/edwards.pdf

I'm guessing you're just going to dismiss anything that doesn't fit your worldview.

an opinion piece by a dead professor?

even for you, that's weak.

keep swinging, corky

JAPS doesn't publish opinion pieces, dipwad. Just because the research and conclusions don't suit you doesn't make them "opinion". Sorry you're so uneducated you've never heard of the JAPS.

What does the fact that he died have to do with anything?

YOU keep swinging.

It is an opinion piece. There's no independent research, just a review of research that others have done. A review article with so many loaded words and opinions that you'd never find in a normal research paper. Regardless of whether you believe him or not, it IS an opinion paper.

 

[konradv]

JAPS doesn't publish opinion pieces, dipwad. Just because the research and conclusions don't suit you doesn't make them "opinion". Sorry you're so uneducated you've never heard of the JAPS.

I'm hoping that you're not actually familiar with JPandS. If you're not, you might want to familiarize yourself with it.

Wikipedia? You want to denigrate a source, and your example of a reliable source upon which to base that is WIKIPEDIA?!

Fail on an epic level. Bards should be writing sagas about a failure this heroic.

That's the FAIL of the completely clueless, to denigrate Wikipedia just because it is Wikipedia. That article had footnotes that didn't come from Wikipedia. You want to trash the article, you have to trash the sources. Of course, that would take actual work and research rather than just swallowing whatever fits your bias.

 

[Greenbeard]

Wikipedia? You want to denigrate a source, and your example of a reliable source upon which to base that is WIKIPEDIA?!

There's no need to be embarrassed, people quote from journals they're unfamiliar with all the time (they generally wouldn't defend so zealously a journal they weren't familiar with but I'm sure that happens sometimes, too).

Again, I'll suggest your familiarize yourself with JPandS (or, uh "JAPS," as you call it) if you're going to continue defending it in the future (the long and short of it is that they have no problem with publishing bullshit, particularly if that bullshit is associated with fringe rightwing ideology). There are plenty of looks at their greatest hits around the web so it shouldn't be too difficult to bring yourself up to speed.

I have to say, if you've reached the point where you have to go to JPandS to find support for your position, it might be time to re-examine it a bit.

 

[Valerie]

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Same response as to Greenbeard. If you want to deride a source as unacceptable, you don\'t do it with WIKIPEDIA as YOUR source, imbecile.

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Same response as to Greenbeard. If you want to deride a source as unacceptable, you don\'t do it with WIKIPEDIA as YOUR source, imbecile.

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somehow i imagine that being called an imbecile by cecile doesn't have quite the sting she envisions.

still, i feel left out.

 

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It was doing nothing of the sort. God, editec is so gullible, he'll believe anything.

Rachel Carson - who certainly deserves to be burning in Hell for all the deaths she's caused - claimed that DDT made birds' eggshells thinner. As it turned out, the studies she based that claim on were faked.

One of the researchers making that claim turned out to have fed his test birds a low-calcium diet along with the DDT. Unsurprisingly, a lack of calcium will make eggshells thinner all by itself, and when that fault was corrected, the eggshells became normal again.

Further studies showed that, in fact, levels of DDT that birds were likely to encounter in the wild were not harmful. However, Science, the journal originally publishing the claims that DDT thins bird eggshells, refused to print a retraction or the results of later research. In fact, they stated categorically that they would never publish anything about DDT that was not antagonistic.

us regulations are not enforced in africa where the vast majority of malaria cases occur.

people don't contract malaria in the u.s. they get it overseas, where, again, u.s. regulations have no force.

how many americans do you think have died of malaria since 1972?

hint: it's not millions

it's nice to see you and the other bloviator who wrote the OP are on the same page, though.

Oh, yeah, threatening to withhold financial aid from sub-Saharan Africa unless they forego the use of DDT isn't "enforcing US regulations" at all.

Why don't people contract malaria in the US? Oh, yeah, that's because we liberally (you should excuse the expression) used DDT until malaria in the US was eradicated.

why can't you just answer the question instead of trying to change the subject and making unsupported allegations?

 

[Toronado3800]

Well, according to numerous posts by some of the Left-wing buddies on the board, conservatives care naught about the earth, about environmentalism, or even clean-up efforts! Just about profits!

As today is World Malaria Day, it might be appropriate to take a look at how well liberal efforts work out…

1. World Malaria day — A Day to Act
25 April is a day to commemorate global efforts to control malaria. The theme of the fourth World Malaria Day - Achieving Progress and Impact - heralds the international community's renewed efforts make progress towards zero malaria deaths by 2015….World Malaria Day represents a chance for all of us to make a difference. Whether you are a government, a company, a charity or an individual, you can roll back malaria and help generate broad gains in health and human development. World Malaria Day 2011

2. o Annual worldwide cases of acute illness due to malaria: 300-500 million
o Annual worldwide deaths due to malaria: 1.1-2.7 million, mostly among children under five years of age http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/GlobalBurdenofMalaria.pdf

3. Malaria is transmitted from person to person through the bite of a female Anopheles—a species of mosquito prevalent throughout sub-Saharan Africa and considered to be the most dangerous. Africa's Malaria Death Toll Still "Outrageously High"

4. “…concerns about the impact of DDT (dichloro-diphenyl-trichloro-ethane) and its derivates on human health, in spite of the fact that DDT has been used widely for seven decades and no properly replicated and confirmed study has found any specific human health harm. Given the enormous and proven public health benefits arising from the use of DDT in disease control,… high levels of human exposure to DDT among those living in sprayed houses but presented no evidence of actual human harm arising from that exposure….Where DDT has been used in malaria control over many decades, populations have grown and health outcomes have improved.” Environmental Health Perspectives: DDT and Malaria Prevention

So, why have so many millions been allowed to die, in the absence of DDT usage?

Liberalism. The infamous liberal ‘science’ as exemplified, in this case, by Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring.”

5. “…Rachel Carson's Silent Spring, which in 1962 exposed the hazards of the pesticide DDT, eloquently questioned humanity's faith in technological progress and helped set the stage for the environmental movement….Silent Spring … meticulously described how DDT entered the food chain and accumulated in the fatty tissues of animals, including human beings, and caused cancer and genetic damage. …Carson concluded that DDT and other pesticides had irrevocably harmed birds and animals and had contaminated the entire world food supply.”
NRDC: The Story of Silent Spring


6. British politician Dick Taverne was damning in his criticism of Carson:
Carson didn't seem to take into account the vital role (DDT) played in controlling the transmission of malaria by killing the mosquitoes that carry the parasite (...) It is the single most effective agent ever developed for saving human life (...) Rachel Carson is a warning to us all of the dangers of neglecting the evidence-based approach and the need to weight potential risk against benefit: it can be argued that the anti-DDT campaign she inspired was responsible for almost as many deaths as some of the worst dictators of the last century. Taverne, Dick (2005). "The Harm That Pressure Groups Can Do". In Feldman, Stanley; Marks, Vincent. Panic Nation.


7. On June 14, 1972, 30 years ago this week, the EPA banned DDT despite considerable evidence of its safety offered in seven months of agency hearings. After listening to that testimony, the EPA's own administrative law judge declared, "DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man...DDT is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man...The use of DDT under the regulations involved here [does] not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife." Today environmental activists celebrate the EPA's DDT ban as their first great victory. Silent Spring at 40 - Reason Magazine

So, what have we learned? A valuable lesson, one hopes, about liberal versus conservative thought and action:

a. Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).

b. Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.

Today is World Malaria Day...we owe that to liberals.

Oh my God. Did you just quote or write something claiming DDT is safe? Leads me to distrust anything from the source and I have read your typings with interest for some time.

There is a debate if DDT use in malarial world would increase the average human life expectancy. Especially if you just look for one generation. Good / bad effect debates are worth it.

There are some environmental steps I would not take to pro-long human life though.

Would you use DDT around your kids? Scary.

 

[Toronado3800]

JAPS doesn't publish opinion pieces, dipwad. Just because the research and conclusions don't suit you doesn't make them "opinion". Sorry you're so uneducated you've never heard of the JAPS.

I'm hoping that you're not actually familiar with JPandS. If you're not, you might want to familiarize yourself with it.

LOL!!!!!!

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Journal of American Physicians and SurgeonsThe Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPandS), until 2003 named the Medical Sentinel,[34][35] is the journal of the association. Its mission statement includes "… a commitment to publishing scholarly articles in defense of the practice of private medicine, the pursuit of integrity in medical research … Political correctness, dogmatism and orthodoxy will be challenged with logical reasoning, valid data and the scientific method." The publication policy of the journal states that articles are subject to a double-blind peer-review process.[36]

The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons is not listed in major academic literature databases such as MEDLINE/PubMed[37] nor the Web of Science.[38] The National Library of Medicine declined repeated requests from AAPS to index the journal, citing unspecified concerns.[3] Articles and commentaries published in the journal have argued a number of non-mainstream or scientifically discredited claims,[3] including:

that the Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional;[39]
that "humanists" have conspired to replace the "creation religion of Jehovah" with evolution;[40]
that human activity has not contributed to climate change, and that global warming will be beneficial and thus not a cause for concern;[41]
that HIV does not cause AIDS;[42][43]
that the "gay male lifestyle" shortens life expectancy by 20 years.[44]
A series of articles by pro-life authors published in the journal argued for a link between abortion and breast cancer.[45][46] Such a link has been rejected by the scientific community, including the U.S. National Cancer Institute,[47] the American Cancer Society,[48] and the World Health Organization,[49] among other major medical bodies.[50]

A 2003 paper published in the journal, claiming that vaccination was harmful, was criticized for poor methodology, lack of scientific rigor, and outright errors by the World Health Organization[51] and the American Academy of Pediatrics.[52] A National Public Radio piece mentioned inaccurate information published in the Journal and wrote: "The journal itself is not considered a leading publication, as it's put out by an advocacy group that opposes most government involvement in medical care."[53]

Quackwatch lists JPandS as an untrustworthy, non-recommended periodical.[54] An editorial in Chemical & Engineering News by editor-in-chief Rudy Baum described JPandS as a "purveyor of utter nonsense."[55] Investigative journalist Brian Deer wrote that the journal is the "house magazine of a right-wing American fringe group [AAPS]" and "is barely credible as an independent forum."[56]

Nice enough I just wanted folks to read it again.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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Same response as to Greenbeard. If you want to deride a source as unacceptable, you don\'t do it with WIKIPEDIA as YOUR source, imbecile.

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somehow i imagine that being called an imbecile by cecile doesn't have quite the sting she envisions.

still, i feel left out.

Suuuure it has no sting. That's why we're posting neg rep messages: because they're so meaningless.

 

[konradv]

Aww sweet Cecilie called me an imbecile!

somehow i imagine that being called an imbecile by cecile doesn't have quite the sting she envisions.

still, i feel left out.

Suuuure it has no sting. That's why we're posting neg rep messages: because they're so meaningless.

IMO, Rep messages are meaningless, because they seem to have more to do with how many friends you have on the board than whether you post meaningful stuff.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well, according to numerous posts by some of the Left-wing buddies on the board, conservatives care naught about the earth, about environmentalism, or even clean-up efforts! Just about profits!

As today is World Malaria Day, it might be appropriate to take a look at how well liberal efforts work out…

1. World Malaria day — A Day to Act
25 April is a day to commemorate global efforts to control malaria. The theme of the fourth World Malaria Day - Achieving Progress and Impact - heralds the international community's renewed efforts make progress towards zero malaria deaths by 2015….World Malaria Day represents a chance for all of us to make a difference. Whether you are a government, a company, a charity or an individual, you can roll back malaria and help generate broad gains in health and human development. World Malaria Day 2011

2. o Annual worldwide cases of acute illness due to malaria: 300-500 million
o Annual worldwide deaths due to malaria: 1.1-2.7 million, mostly among children under five years of age http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/GlobalBurdenofMalaria.pdf

3. Malaria is transmitted from person to person through the bite of a female Anopheles—a species of mosquito prevalent throughout sub-Saharan Africa and considered to be the most dangerous. Africa's Malaria Death Toll Still "Outrageously High"

4. “…concerns about the impact of DDT (dichloro-diphenyl-trichloro-ethane) and its derivates on human health, in spite of the fact that DDT has been used widely for seven decades and no properly replicated and confirmed study has found any specific human health harm. Given the enormous and proven public health benefits arising from the use of DDT in disease control,… high levels of human exposure to DDT among those living in sprayed houses but presented no evidence of actual human harm arising from that exposure….Where DDT has been used in malaria control over many decades, populations have grown and health outcomes have improved.” Environmental Health Perspectives: DDT and Malaria Prevention

So, why have so many millions been allowed to die, in the absence of DDT usage?

Liberalism. The infamous liberal ‘science’ as exemplified, in this case, by Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring.”

5. “…Rachel Carson's Silent Spring, which in 1962 exposed the hazards of the pesticide DDT, eloquently questioned humanity's faith in technological progress and helped set the stage for the environmental movement….Silent Spring … meticulously described how DDT entered the food chain and accumulated in the fatty tissues of animals, including human beings, and caused cancer and genetic damage. …Carson concluded that DDT and other pesticides had irrevocably harmed birds and animals and had contaminated the entire world food supply.”
NRDC: The Story of Silent Spring


6. British politician Dick Taverne was damning in his criticism of Carson:
Carson didn't seem to take into account the vital role (DDT) played in controlling the transmission of malaria by killing the mosquitoes that carry the parasite (...) It is the single most effective agent ever developed for saving human life (...) Rachel Carson is a warning to us all of the dangers of neglecting the evidence-based approach and the need to weight potential risk against benefit: it can be argued that the anti-DDT campaign she inspired was responsible for almost as many deaths as some of the worst dictators of the last century. Taverne, Dick (2005). "The Harm That Pressure Groups Can Do". In Feldman, Stanley; Marks, Vincent. Panic Nation.


7. On June 14, 1972, 30 years ago this week, the EPA banned DDT despite considerable evidence of its safety offered in seven months of agency hearings. After listening to that testimony, the EPA's own administrative law judge declared, "DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man...DDT is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man...The use of DDT under the regulations involved here [does] not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife." Today environmental activists celebrate the EPA's DDT ban as their first great victory. Silent Spring at 40 - Reason Magazine

So, what have we learned? A valuable lesson, one hopes, about liberal versus conservative thought and action:

a. Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).

b. Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.

Today is World Malaria Day...we owe that to liberals.

Oh my God. Did you just quote or write something claiming DDT is safe? Leads me to distrust anything from the source and I have read your typings with interest for some time.

There is a debate if DDT use in malarial world would increase the average human life expectancy. Especially if you just look for one generation. Good / bad effect debates are worth it.

There are some environmental steps I would not take to pro-long human life though.

Would you use DDT around your kids? Scary.

1. Did you note item #4? Check it out.

2. I have an older relative who told me that where he lived, in the mountains, a truck came around every week sending out billows of DDT clouds...and all of the kids used to love to run and play and hide in the mist.

 

[rdean]

Very few die from "conservative" science. Why? Because they have no science.

6% baby

6%

 

[ABikerSailor]

somehow i imagine that being called an imbecile by cecile doesn't have quite the sting she envisions.

still, i feel left out.

Suuuure it has no sting. That's why we're posting neg rep messages: because they're so meaningless.

IMO, Rep messages are meaningless, because they seem to have more to do with how many friends you have on the board than whether you post meaningful stuff.

If you need proof of that, just look at Cali Twit.