Millenials Not Joining the Military

[EGR one]

Capitalism has been around for thousands of years, and has never failed on its own merits..

What is your definition of failure?

Failure is when an economic system fails to functionally perform all of the requirements of an economic system. Such as properly allocating resources and distributing goods and services efficiently and effectively.

If They Own a Man's Work, They Own That Man

A business is not private property. The owners are part of a team; it's not there to serve only them. Just like "their" employees, they should only be compensated according to how much they serve the business.

Who do you think is qualified to determine how much they serve the business, and consequently, how much they should be compensated?

 

[EGR one]

you are anti-military....you are pissing on present and previous military personnel....
go to Somalia or some other shithole if you hate America so much

Guy, having a uniform doesn't make you a saint. I was in the Army for 11 years and served with some real dirtbags.

As I said, I find it hilarious that Androgenous or whatever his name is comes on here every day whining about welfare queens when he took advantage of government programs when he had the chance to. And for that matter, so did I.

..vets usually have medical insurance and don't rely on the government

Then why do we have a HUGE Veteran's Administration?

..I know when I was in, I put in a lot more, hard working hours than some civilian/government workers--so we were working but getting less wages--but we volunteered for it

You also got training, scholarship eligibility and a whole bunch of other programs like VA loans. But you are totally better than that poor mom who had to use SNAP for a couple of years.

The simple fact that you fail to equate services provided with sacrifices made in return, negates your entire argument. Providing goods and services to government is not welfare. Military personnel provide a service to government, and in return they receive pay and compensation. That is not welfare, any more than an armed guard providing services to a private business for pay and compensation.

The United States government provides no more pay and benefits to military members than is required to get enough of them to provide for national defense. You obviously didn't consider the military overpaid when you quit. Or, did they throw you out and that put the stick up your ass?

 

[EGR one]

so he had LEGIT Bone Spurs and got a legal and Honorable medical deferment due to them Lew . ---------- thanks !!

Legit *snicker*. Yeah, according to rightwingers, Cadet Bonespurs condition was legit, and Kerry's woulds which got him the Purple Heart were from hangnails or blisters.

You finally got it right. Took you awhile.

 

[harmonica]

you are anti-military....you are pissing on present and previous military personnel....
go to Somalia or some other shithole if you hate America so much

Guy, having a uniform doesn't make you a saint. I was in the Army for 11 years and served with some real dirtbags.

As I said, I find it hilarious that Androgenous or whatever his name is comes on here every day whining about welfare queens when he took advantage of government programs when he had the chance to. And for that matter, so did I.

..vets usually have medical insurance and don't rely on the government

Then why do we have a HUGE Veteran's Administration?

..I know when I was in, I put in a lot more, hard working hours than some civilian/government workers--so we were working but getting less wages--but we volunteered for it

You also got training, scholarship eligibility and a whole bunch of other programs like VA loans. But you are totally better than that poor mom who had to use SNAP for a couple of years.

The simple fact that you fail to equate services provided with sacrifices made in return, negates your entire argument. Providing goods and services to government is not welfare. Military personnel provide a service to government, and in return they receive pay and compensation. That is not welfare, any more than an armed guard providing services to a private business for pay and compensation.

The United States government provides no more pay and benefits to military members than is required to get enough of them to provide for national defense. You obviously didn't consider the military overpaid when you quit. Or, did they throw you out and that put the stick up your ass?

you don't a lot of crap, don't you?? why are bringing up stuff going into people's rears??!!!
WTF you must be a deviant

 

[harmonica]

Vet HATER!!! I bet you go to Vet graves and piss on them like the Westboro Baptist Bastards
just because we have a VA doesn't mean a lot of Vets need it

The VA should only be there for guys who were wounded in battle, but it ends up being the hospital of last resort because we can't provide health care to every citizen like any civilized country.

that does not delete the fact that you are a Vet HATER!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

you don't know if the PRESIDENTS bone spur fixed themselves so stop 'B.S. ing' Lew !!

My wife's bone spurs went away.

 

[pismoe]

i don't even know what bone spurs actually are though i can imagine . But going by President Trumps experience it looks like your wife MAY have had a 'legitimate' reason to get a deferment and avoid 'military' service same as The Trump did Admiral .

 

[JoeB131]

Nope didn't want to. I wanted to fix jets, and because of it, I was able to go to Saudi Arabia and make 70k a year all tax free. Most kids I meet I tell them that College is a waste of time and dollars, because there are too many stupid liberals coming out of college, so they should go into the military, get skills that they can use in the work place, experience also, not like being a barista at Starbucks...

So yup, sucking off that big government teet of the Military Industrial Complex, the biggest welfare queen of the lot.

 

[jillian]

Here's some frightening data:

A recruiter I spoke to believes that more than 70 percent of the “targeted recruiting age range” is not able to join due to issues with health, education, criminal background, and physical appearance preferences that do not adhere to military recruitment standards. They are generally not qualified for military service, even if they wanted to join.

And, from what I've read, if they do enlist, a lot of them simply do not possess the sense of responsibility to stick to what it takes to adapt to the military. So, those who do enlist and stick it out come from military families - turning the military into an inbred, mercenary force?

From Why So Few Young People Want to Be Part of Our Military

because we haven't fought a war that was morally justifiable since WWII

 

[JoeB131]

The simple fact that you fail to equate services provided with sacrifices made in return, negates your entire argument. Providing goods and services to government is not welfare. Military personnel provide a service to government, and in return they receive pay and compensation. That is not welfare, any more than an armed guard providing services to a private business for pay and compensation.

That would make sense if the benefits END the moment that you ETS.

(Thats' "End Term of Service", for those who never served)

But, um. They don't. VA Loans, VA hospitals, retirement benefits.

The United States government provides no more pay and benefits to military members than is required to get enough of them to provide for national defense. You obviously didn't consider the military overpaid when you quit. Or, did they throw you out and that put the stick up your ass?

Naw, man, I got out as an E-6 and they even dangled an E-7 slot in front of me to get me to re-up. I wasn't going for it, though.

I make far better money now.

The thing is, the Mlitary hasn't done "National Defense" since 1945. Most of our wars have been beating up on some poor third world country until we get tired of it. (Then again, WWII, the Russians, Chinese and Indians did most of the heavy lifting.)

 

[Two Thumbs]

are you equating military service to living on welfare?

Um, the guy pretty much said that he sucked off the teet of the government his whole life, so... um, yeah, he's a welfare queen. He was just a welfare queen with a pretty uniform.

Not only are you sorry you are a liar. His post never said he worked his entire life for the government. And even if he did work for the gov, he WORKED! You bastards just make up shit and then parrot it as true.

Um, he said he joined the military to learn to work on jets and then spent most of his life either as a government contractor working on jets. (I've had other conversations with this moron). So he spends his whole life living on the government teet, but man, that single mom who got SNAP for a year is a total welfare queen, unlike him.

rot in hell you hateful pile of scum.

 

[cnm]

So, those who do enlist and stick it out come from military families - turning the military into an inbred, mercenary force?

It's already a separate culture isn't it? Lives on its own bases, goes to its own schools, served by its own health service, supplied by its own retailers. Or do I have it wrong?

 

[cnm]

But the new 'hip hop' generation is UNFIT for military service due to all sorts of medical , drug , and lifestyle , criminal and moral reasons , pregnancy , out for an Abortion and other problems or are in the process of undergoing sex change operations Lew

Home schooling has a lot to answer for.

 

[cnm]

The U.S. military is no longer for defending OUR country. It's just a mercenary unit for people like the Koch Brothers.

It's spent most of its life in that condition. Ever hear of Smedley D Butler? He had the inside running.

 

[cnm]

But Trump was never a hawk, so he can't be called a "Chickenhawk."

The faith you repose in Trump's word is touching. Hilarious but touching.

Sept. 11, 2002: Trump is asked publicly about his stance on the invasion, apparently for the first time. In a recently revealed audio clip of the interview, Trump gives a lukewarm support for the war.​

Stern: “Are you for invading Iraq?”
Trump: “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/​

 

[longknife]

Here's some frightening data:

A recruiter I spoke to believes that more than 70 percent of the “targeted recruiting age range” is not able to join due to issues with health, education, criminal background, and physical appearance preferences that do not adhere to military recruitment standards. They are generally not qualified for military service, even if they wanted to join.

And, from what I've read, if they do enlist, a lot of them simply do not possess the sense of responsibility to stick to what it takes to adapt to the military. So, those who do enlist and stick it out come from military families - turning the military into an inbred, mercenary force?

From Why So Few Young People Want to Be Part of Our Military

because we haven't fought a war that was morally justifiable since WWII

The basic problem is that we have not fought a WAR since WWII. War must be declared by Congress.

 

[longknife]

So, those who do enlist and stick it out come from military families - turning the military into an inbred, mercenary force?

It's already a separate culture isn't it? Lives on its own bases, goes to its own schools, served by its own health service, supplied by its own retailers. Or do I have it wrong?

No. You have it right. Most military installations today are villages in their own. And, when they do go off base, they patronage businesses within a mile or so of the gates.

 

[longknife]

But Trump was never a hawk, so he can't be called a "Chickenhawk."

The faith you repose in Trump's word is touching. Hilarious but touching.

Sept. 11, 2002: Trump is asked publicly about his stance on the invasion, apparently for the first time. In a recently revealed audio clip of the interview, Trump gives a lukewarm support for the war.​

Stern: “Are you for invading Iraq?”
Trump: “Yeah, I guess so. You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/​

You know, I wish the first time it was done correctly.”

He was saying what so many in the military felt. We had the war won and threw it away at the behest of the president. The aftermath of Iraq was a total f**kup.

 

[jillian]

Here's some frightening data:

A recruiter I spoke to believes that more than 70 percent of the “targeted recruiting age range” is not able to join due to issues with health, education, criminal background, and physical appearance preferences that do not adhere to military recruitment standards. They are generally not qualified for military service, even if they wanted to join.

And, from what I've read, if they do enlist, a lot of them simply do not possess the sense of responsibility to stick to what it takes to adapt to the military. So, those who do enlist and stick it out come from military families - turning the military into an inbred, mercenary force?

From Why So Few Young People Want to Be Part of Our Military

because we haven't fought a war that was morally justifiable since WWII

The basic problem is that we have not fought a WAR since WWII. War must be declared by Congress.

that's probably true, too.

but I doubt that has an effect on people willing to serve. What might have an effect on people willing to serve is sending people for 10 tours of duty in Iraq/Afghanistan where we have no business being at this point and probably never did.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Capitalism has been around for thousands of years, and has never failed on its own merits..

What is your definition of failure?

Failure is when an economic system fails to functionally perform all of the requirements of an economic system. Such as properly allocating resources and distributing goods and services efficiently and effectively.

If They Own a Man's Work, They Own That Man

A business is not private property. The owners are part of a team; it's not there to serve only them. Just like "their" employees, they should only be compensated according to how much they serve the business.

Who do you think is qualified to determine how much they serve the business, and consequently, how much they should be compensated?

Laissez Faire Breeds Lazy Fairies

Those who do the work. So either unions should be mandatory, or every employee should have an equal share in the ownership of a business. The Socialism preached by the sons of your Masters gives the plutocrats' power to a clique running the government, proving once again that Leftists have the same attitude held by the Right Wing they were born in.