Military Service

[pinqy]

perhaps on the people that you mention but 60 years ago we were not importing 'somalis' , muslims , mex , guats , belizers , venzies and other third worlders to the extent that we are today .

I’m not sure why you think the country or religion makes any difference as long as the person can pass the English proficiency, physical, and intellectual requirements and has no criminal record.

And 60 years ago, Filipino citizens could join the U.S. Navy without having to come here first. That stopped in 1992.

And i am talking a few years ago or today or in the near future as some politicians want to allow foreigners to go into the military and to be military for paychecks , benefits and citizenship .

Oh? You think they should be in the military but not paid?

60 years ago there were no stricter conditions for foreigners to join and in fact for Filipinos it was a lot easier 60 years ago.

Now there was a temporary program, from 2008-2016, that did allow some foreigners without a green card to join the military IF they were qualified medical professionals that the military had a shortfall in or if they enlisted as native speaker translators for
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I am not aware of any suggestions to generally allow non naturalized or non green card holders to join.

I’m also pretty sure you can’t show me any such proposals.

 

[Mr Natural]

Considering the amount of shit you have to put up with in the military, they should be thankful they get anyone to voluntarily join up at all.

 

[pismoe]

you did read my first post and my reasoning . Reread my original post if you want to see what i think as you seem to care . You may disagree but your info does not impress me as i put out my original thoughts . I only try to influence other Americans to my way of thinking and to beware foreigners Pinqy .

 

[danielpalos]

i am not vague; those of the opposing view are simply, clueless and Causeless.

Let me walk you through this:
In response to the U.S. Army having difficulty finding qualified recruits and the possibility of having to recall veterans and the hope that it would not be old fat ones, your response was “
“nope; just get the, "gunny sarge", involved.”

Problem 1: The Army does not have the rank of Gunnery Sergeant, so it is not clear how you think one should or could be involved in anything to do with Army recruitment or recalling of veterans.

Problem 2: it is not stated or implied in what way a Gunnery Sergeant could help potential recruits or discharged veterans with any of the recruiting issues mentioned.

When asked how a “gunny sarge” could help, your reply was “High numbers and plenty of practice.”. There is no context to let anyone know higher numbers of what or more practice at what. And it cannot even be guessed at how higher numbers or practice could erase a criminal record, which was one of the issues you were responding to. And you have not clarified or explained at all.

This is you being vague. The only “cluelessness” is our inability to read your mind.

Oh, and side note: no one in the Corps would refer to a Gunnery sergeant as “gunny sarge” if he or she valued his or her health.

I was being satirical. Socialism must be about full employment of resources, or it is merely as Good as lousy capitalists.

Socialism is entirely irrelevant here.
But to counter your point: Capitalism is about efficient use of resources. If you have 3 people working on a task that only requires 1, then that is full use of labor, but also very inefficient.

The law of large numbers matters; anybody can do something useful while learning on the job and taking courses to advance their potential.

You say law of large numbers but then you talk about individuals. I don’t think you understand the concept. But you’re also off-topic. The discussion was recruiting for the Army, not a general “something” useful.

The military is applied socialism. Yes, the law of large numbers must apply to Arts, martial.

efficient use of resources is having three people and getting the job done, "three times as fast", or reassigning some to other related and synergistic tasks. Being able to support your heavy weapons section, is a bonus.

 

[ABikerSailor]

my thinking is that thats when the imported USA Military could go to work . All they work for is a paycheck and benefits , citizenship and the 'king' or government tells them what to do . My Dad told me 60 years ago that USA Military would always be WITH and FOR the American people because American military is made up of American Sons , Fathers , Daughters , yada , yada . Change the Military into a 'mercenary' force full of foreigners working for money , benefits and citizenship and then the military is no long made up of American sons , Fathers , Daughters or Americans DStubbs .

In order to qualify for the U.S. military, all officers must be U.S. citizens. Enlisted must be U.S. citizens, U.S. Nationals (residents of American Samoa), Permanent Resident Aliens (green card holders), or citizens of the former U.S. possessions of Micronesia or the Marshall Islands.
I do not believe those requirements were different 60 years ago.

So your idea of a bunch of foreigners just doesn’t work. The military is only a little bit faster way to gain citizenship, but you have to already be on that path in the first place.

Hey, on my last tour of duty at MEPS Amarillo, we had a PN2 who was a green card holder who had been working on getting his citizenship for around 5 years prior to showing up at MEPS. He had been a Mexican school teacher who got his green card and then enlisted in the military, and worked on his citizenship.

Took him a grand total of 6 years to get it done. He finally was made a citizen while he was at MEPS. While it may be faster than most methods, it still takes a long time.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Considering the amount of shit you have to put up with in the military, they should be thankful they get anyone to voluntarily join up at all.

You know, even though there were times I wondered why the hell I ever joined, there are more good times that I can remember than bad.

Besides.................where else can you get a job where you are PAID to travel the planet, and they also train you to boot. Full medical/dental/vision for me and whoever are my dependents (wife, children), and a steady paycheck every 2 weeks that you KNOW how much it's gonna be, and you can count on it.

I've been to 26 different countries, 49 different states (only missing Alaska), seen lots of stuff over my 20 years, and now am retired and living fairly well on my pension. Oh yeah................I also have free medical and vision for the rest of my life, as well as have my funeral and disposal of my remains paid for.

 

[danielpalos]

We could consider it a form of, "market based metrics". Our current strategy must not be working, if the People have no faith in it.

Why do we have such exorbitantly expensive superpower; when the right wing insists on tax cut economics?

 

[pinqy]

you did read my first post and my reasoning . Reread my original post if you want to see what i think as you seem to care . You may disagree but your info does not impress me as i put out my original thoughts . I only try to influence other Americans to my way of thinking and to beware foreigners Pinqy .

Your first post was “they've been itching to fill the military with foreigners who need jobs , benefits and a way to become citizens .”

Not really much there and not in any way an actual argument.

And certainly no clue why you think people who want to earn their citizenship by serving the US is a bad thing. Other than you apparently think there’s something fundamentally wrong with Muslims and Latinos.

 

[pismoe]

as i have said for years . In 1970 the USA Census counted population was right around 210 million in 1970 . In 2010 the census number was 310 million not counting 11 million and i say more millions of illegal aliens most of which are 'mex' , guats or other south americans or third worlders . ------------ muslims are another case , i don't like the 'muslim' religion as it is anti Western Pinqy . And last but not least i do not understand why the USA with 310 million census counted legal residents in 2010 needs more imported , unamerican third worlders [fifth column] Pinqy .

 

[pinqy]

as i have said for years . In 1970 the USA Census counted population was right around 210 million in 1970 . In 2010 the census number was 310 million not counting 11 million and i say more millions of illegal aliens most of which are 'mex' , guats or other south americans or third worlders

First, the Census does not exclude illegal aliens (though many self-exclude by not answering even though there are no questions on immigration status and the Census workers cannot report them anyway)

Second, why are comparing 1970 population to 2010? And I mean why 1970 and why compare any 2 years of population? What is your purpose?

Third; of course most illegal immigrants are going to be from poor countries close to the U.S.

. ------------ muslims are another case , i don't like the 'muslim' religion as it is anti Western Pinqy .

What you actually mean is that your idea of what Islam teaches is opposed to your idea of Western culture.
You are stating your opinion, not fact.

And last but not least i do not understand why the USA with 310 million census counted legal residents in 2010 needs more imported , unamerican third worlders [fifth column] Pinqy .

Fifth column? Of what Army?
And the Census is not just if legal residents...
And only legal residents (and residents of Samoa, Marshal Islands, and Micronesia) can join the military anyway....
And no one is suggesting increasing immigration to solving shortfalls in military recruiting.

All in all, you don’t seem to have any argument or point on the topic of this thread.

 

[danielpalos]

Having a military is expensive. What are the goals of our alleged, wars on drugs and terror?

 

[pismoe]

1970 to 2010 , i just like how the 2 years i use illustrate population growth in the USA plus i was aware at 18 in 1970 . And i see legal immigrants as a 'fifth column' due to numbers , legal ability to arm themselves and then the fact that they can vote which weakens an Americans vote Pinqy . --------------------- muslims , a muslims first duty is to 'allah' and the 'koran' unless they are Apostate muslims and i don't like Apostate muslims as i don't see how they can be trusted Pinqy .

 

[danielpalos]

1970 to 2010 , i just like how the 2 years i use illustrate population growth in the USA . And i see legal immigrants as a 'fifth column' due to numbers , legal ability to arm themselves and then the fact that they can vote which weakens an Americans vote Pinqy . --------------------- muslims , a muslims first duty is to 'allah' and the 'koran' unless they are Apostate and i don't like Apostates as i don't see how they can be trusted Pinqy .

Our Founding Fathers covered this. We have a Second Amendment.

And the militia of the United States is defined in 10USC247.

 

[pismoe]

much better and easier to stop ALL immigration or importation of ALL types of people into the USA . I always ask , we have a USA with 310 million Census counted legal residents in 2010 . Why do Americans [the people] want more people of any kind in the usa Daniel ??

 

[danielpalos]

much better and easier to stop ALL immigration or importation of ALL types of people into the USA . I always ask , we have a USA with 310 million Census counted legal residents in 2010 . Why do Americans [the people] want more people of any kind in the usa Daniel ??

Our "Hitler doctrine" covers this; we Must have an Army Group in Reserve, for any foreign operations.

 

[pinqy]

1970 to 2010 , i just like how the 2 years i use illustrate population growth in the USA plus i was aware at 18 in 1970 .

But why are you illustrating population growth?

And i see legal immigrants as a 'fifth column' due to numbers , legal ability to arm themselves and then the fact that they can vote which weakens an Americans vote

If they can vote, then they are American citizens. And I don’t see how you could possibly think that all immigrants (or even a majority) share ideology or purpose against the US. Your lumping Irish, Canadians, Mexicans, Venezuelans, Somalis, Ethiopians, Koreans, Chinese, Syrians, Germans, etc,etc all together as pursuing the same ends.

Pinqy . --------------------- muslims , a muslims first duty is to 'allah' and the 'koran' .

And what is a Christian’s first duty? Is it not to God?

 

[pismoe]

i never said anything about Christianity in this thread [if i remember correct] . And USA is a Secular Nation anyway Pinqy --------------------------- American CITIZEN , might be but they aren't Americans and never will be Pinqy !! ---------------------------- population growth , i don't like it so i illustrate it and my Census numbers might inform some people that aren't aware of the huge population growth in the USA . As i said and asked , why does the USA [American people] need or want more third world or imported population growth of any kind Pinqy ??

 

[pinqy]

i never said anything about Christianity in this thread [if i remember correct] _

And that was my point. If your objection is to people putting their god first, then why are you only mentioning Muslims and not Jews or Christians? Shouldn’t you equally object to American Christians who put God first?

American CITIZEN , might be but they aren't Americans

“American” is a nationality, not an ethnicity. The ONLY thing that makes a person an American, is citizenship. A child born to Chinese immigrants is just as much an American as someone whose ancestors settled Jamestown.
And a person who immigrated and becomes a citizen is as much an American as George Washington.

And I assume you have some immigrant ancestors: it’s very rare in this country to not have any ancestors who came here after 1492.
All of my ancestors came to the U.S. between 1870 and 1965. Am I not an American?

---- population growth , i don't like it so i illustrate it and my Census numbers might inform some people that aren't aware of the huge population growth in the USA

And that has nothing to do with military recruitment.[/QUOTE]

 

[pismoe]

hey , think and do as you like and you have already seen what i think . If you are a youngster like i suspect you and your kids will get what they deserve as time goes by Pinqy .