Military Draft Poll

[nycflasher]

This poll was an outgrowth of the following thread:

to draft or not to draft

 

[nycflasher]

I voted for mandatory service.
Those that don't want to or can't serve in the military can still serve their community and/or others throughout the country.

This seems to me like a good way to protect our nation, and it seems Constitutional.

 

[007]

Originally posted by nycflasher
I voted for mandatory service.
Those that don't want to or can't serve in the military can still serve their community and/or others throughout the country.

This seems to me like a good way to protect our nation, and it seems Constitutional.

I don't know how or why this has happened... but I agree with you.

 

[Merlin1047]

Originally posted by Pale Rider
I don't know how or why this has happened... but I agree with you.

Uh oh. Me too. Does the sky seem like it's getting lower?

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Pale Rider
I don't know how or why this has happened... but I agree with you.

Guess you're coming to your senses.
What, did you take a spill today and have a near death experience forcing you to realize the errors of your ways?

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Merlin1047
Uh oh. Me too. Does the sky seem like it's getting lower?

My lord, it is falling!

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by nycflasher
My lord, it is falling!

Not only falling, but it's purple with pink polka dots!:

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
well I just agreed also so I guess the sky has fallen!

Aw, admit it, you're just jumping on the bandwagon. I suppose you're a Yankees fan too, now.
:rotflmao:

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
I saw a sky like that once! :alco:

LOL both of us need to find new vices!

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
Oh hell no, I don't even watch baseball anymore! I always root for the underdog!

lol, me too... keeps it interesting
Unless they're playing the Bombers.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Sir Evil
I saw a sky like that once! :alco:

lol, I was going to make a hippy, LSD comment about that polka dot sky... shit, I need to camping!

A friend of mine is getting married in Lakeville, CT real soon and there is a campground right next to his house. I thought it was cool that on the invitation it was listed as well as the 200/night hotels.

A couple tents for my sister, my cousin and myself and then one small one just for the beer .

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Kathianne
LOL both of us need to find new vices!

What's that, Mary Jane?

 

[freeandfun1]

I voted for mandatory draft at 18. If we just make them choose between mandatory civil service or military service, you are going to further discect this country. Again, you will end up with peaceniks and liberals going into civil service and generally conservative, warrior and yes, political, types going into military service. There will be those that take the Kerry route (liberal in a warriors clothing) but not too many.

What will end up happening is that we will have boards that decide who is more fit for military and who is more fit for civil service. this will start dividing us into subgroups and that I don't think is healthy for our nation. So I believe it is better to just have a draft into military service with a lottery system (some kind of unbiased system) that determines who goes into combat arms, engineering, etc. while saving special skills jobs for those that are qualified for them.

 

[007]

I'm not so sure it's "me" thinking like "you". I think it's "you" starting to think like "me".

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by freeandfun1


What will end up happening is that we will have boards that decide who is more fit for military and who is more fit for civil service.

I certainly wasn't suggesting that the government be the one to decide which option you take.

 

[freeandfun1]

Originally posted by nycflasher
I certainly wasn't suggesting that the government be the one to decide which option you take.

well, do you really think that the government are going to let YOU decide? The military will most likely say, "all of you that like the same gender, over here please. now, you will be going into civil service. thank you". "you on this side, off to Paris Island, Ft. Benning, etc.".

So the gov't is going to have to step in to make sure that affirmative action is appropriately applied even if it does go against what you want.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by freeandfun1
well, do you really think that the government are going to let YOU decide? The military will most likely say, "all of you that like the same gender, over here please. now, you will be going into civil service. thank you". "you on this side, off to Paris Island, Ft. Benning, etc.".

So the gov't is going to have to step in to make sure that affirmative action is appropriately applied even if it does go against what you want.

Ye of little faith.

Fags this way----->
<-------everyone else this way

Is that what our country is reduced to?

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Pale Rider
I'm not so sure it's "me" thinking like "you". I think it's "you" starting to think like "me".

That won't happen. I've seen some of the racist crap you post.
But we don't need to ruin this era of good feeling.

 

[freeandfun1]

i am saying that is what is going to happen if we don't make every male between the ages of 18 and 25 to serve under a draft system. you are not following what I am saying. Sometimes the military is the best place to integrate diversity. Why would it be fair to let one segment choose a job where their lives are never in danger while another chooses a job where he will likely die. Freedom is not free and it is not fair to put the burden on only one class of society or one segment of society. I have seen countries where a military class is formed separate from the rest of society. All you get is coupes, more wars and a fractured society. If everybody is forced to serve, it keeps balance in the military as much as in society.

 

[Merlin1047]

To those who voted for a volunteer force only, I would like you to consider the following points, which I believe makes the option you selected less desirable than some of the other alternatives.

1. There is always the possibility that we may become embroiled in an all-out war where we are literally fighting for our survival as a nation. If that were to happen, it would be far better if some form of draft was already in existence. The armed forces could be manned far faster than having to go through the nutroll of getting a draft re-authorized.

2. With but a few exceptions, the current volunteer system provides offspring of the wealthy with an automatic exemption from government service. If daddy is sending you to Princeton, and you will be the executive vice president of his company upon graduation, why should you even consider serving your country?

3. Part of the "who-cares" attitude that exists among many young people today is because those who have that attitude have never served their country, therefore they take no interest in its preservation. If you are given something for nothing, then you place no value on it. If you have had to sacrifice and work to protect your rights and your nation, then you begin to take a different perspective.

4. How many young people know what they want to do with the rest of their lives upon graduation from high school? I know that all I wanted to do was get out of the house and chase women. But by sending kids directly from high school to college, we are demanding that they make a monumental decision which will affect the rest of their lives. A decision that they may be ill-equipped and unprepared to make. Two years of government service (military or otherwise) would give kids time to mature into adults. It would give them a breathing space to find their real interests and talents. Then, when they go to college they have a better idea what they want to do with themselves and they can select those courses that will support their true interests and abilities.

5. Finally, I think that it is of paramount importance that those who will decide to send our military to fight have a first hand understanding of the impact of such a decision. That's something you can't learn sitting on your butt watching MTV.