Midnight M's and Truthmatters "Room with a View"

[Midnight Marauder]

I love the government.

More accurate!


Your discussions are moved here for your hearts content! Enjoy! -EZ

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I love the government the founders left us.

That form of government no longer exsist. it's been gone since the late 19th century to early 20th century.

 

[Truthmatters]

I love the government the founders left us.

That form of government no longer exsist. it's been gone since the late 19th century to early 20th century.

You seem to have missed that the government they designed left the people in the drivers seat to decide their own future.


That is as much a part of the government they left us as any part.

You just hate what the founders left us

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I love the government the founders left us.

Wait a second. You actually only love the government when and if Dems totally dominate it. That's the opposite of what the founders and framers intended. You should be loving it NOW, since no party is in complete control. Checks and balances and all. The three branches of government should have contentious relationships, not all be in the same bed.

So actually, you HATE "the government the founders left us" because in your utopian fantasies, there would be no opposition party to the Dems.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I love the government the founders left us.

That form of government no longer exsist. it's been gone since the late 19th century to early 20th century.

You seem to have missed that the government they designed left the people in the drivers seat to decide their own future.


That is as much a part of the government they left us as any part.

You just hate what the founders left us

It no longer exsist.

 

[Truthmatters]

Only in your warped mind.


Did the founders build a government that refused the people of the futures input?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I love the government the founders left us.

That form of government no longer exsist. it's been gone since the late 19th century to early 20th century.

You seem to have missed that the government they designed left the people in the drivers seat to decide their own future.

Wrong. The founders and framers warned us against Democracy, which is essentially mob rule, and even declared so in article 4 section 4 of the Constitution. Then went about insuring checks and balances and limits and separation of powers that guaranteed a representative form, where the mobs DON'T rule. Where the voice of the people is heard through their chosen representatives.

You should also read and study the Federalist papers as well. But, you won't.

 

[Truthmatters]

Here we are again with the assholes claiming the founders hated democracy

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That form of government no longer exsist. it's been gone since the late 19th century to early 20th century.

You seem to have missed that the government they designed left the people in the drivers seat to decide their own future.

Wrong. The founders and framers warned us against Democracy, which is essentially mob rule, and even declared so in article 4 section 4 of the Constitution. Then went about insuring checks and balances and limits and separation of powers that guaranteed a representative form, where the mobs DON'T rule. Where the voice of the people is heard through their chosen representatives.

You should also read and study the Federalist papers as well. But, you won't.

This really isn't the thread for this type of discussion.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Here we are again with the assholes claiming the founders hated democracy

Please show us all where any such claim was made.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

You seem to have missed that the government they designed left the people in the drivers seat to decide their own future.

Wrong. The founders and framers warned us against Democracy, which is essentially mob rule, and even declared so in article 4 section 4 of the Constitution. Then went about insuring checks and balances and limits and separation of powers that guaranteed a representative form, where the mobs DON'T rule. Where the voice of the people is heard through their chosen representatives.

You should also read and study the Federalist papers as well. But, you won't.

This really isn't the thread for this type of discussion.

I've never been one to give a red rat's ass what type of thread it is, where it is, or worry too much about offending.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Wrong. The founders and framers warned us against Democracy, which is essentially mob rule, and even declared so in article 4 section 4 of the Constitution. Then went about insuring checks and balances and limits and separation of powers that guaranteed a representative form, where the mobs DON'T rule. Where the voice of the people is heard through their chosen representatives.

You should also read and study the Federalist papers as well. But, you won't.

This really isn't the thread for this type of discussion.

I've never been one to give a red rat's ass what type of thread it is, where it is, or worry too much about offending.

OK not a problem

 

[Midnight Marauder]

I think EZ should exercise some moderation and move the lame ass partisan bickering posts that have already infected this thread.

We are in:

General Discussion Talk about anything...none of it matters here.

 

[Truthmatters]

That form of government no longer exsist. it's been gone since the late 19th century to early 20th century.

You seem to have missed that the government they designed left the people in the drivers seat to decide their own future.

Wrong. The founders and framers warned us against Democracy, which is essentially mob rule, and even declared so in article 4 section 4 of the Constitution. Then went about insuring checks and balances and limits and separation of powers that guaranteed a representative form, where the mobs DON'T rule. Where the voice of the people is heard through their chosen representatives.

You should also read and study the Federalist papers as well. But, you won't.

Why dont you provide the founders quotes on this subject?

 

[DiveCon]

Benjamin Franklin Quote with Comments

 

[Truthmatters]

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

So you think this means BF hated the democracy they created?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

So you think this means BF hated the democracy they created?

No one's ever claimed they hated it, and they were clear it is NOT a "democracy" they created. Article 4 Section 4 states it, and the Federalist Papers are rife with it.

It's not the fault of others that you're ignorant and not well read.

 

[Truthmatters]

No they were not clear it was NOT a democracy you idiot.

Words have definitions.

Our government is a democracy.

The founders were commenting on DIRECT DEMOCRACY.

 

[Truthmatters]

Democracy - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


de·moc·ra·cy noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
plural de·moc·ra·cies
Definition of DEMOCRACY
1a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

 

[DiveCon]

No they were not clear it was NOT a democracy you idiot.

Words have definitions.

Our government is a democracy.

The founders were commenting on DIRECT DEMOCRACY.

no, our government is a representative republic