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Lot's of things, all of which I'm thankful that I don't have to any great degree.
Lot's of things doesn't really qualify as an answer to the question. There are plenty of stories of people who made the decision to overcome issues to become successful. Not everyone will make those decisions, but they can.....if they really want to.
Laziness, stupidity, ignorance, bad up-bringing, lack of education, bad breaks, bad life choices, drugs, alchohol, mental instability, etc, etc, etc.
And yes, there are plenty of stories of people who made the decision to overcome issues to become successful and probably just as many who didn't.
So the question is, as a society, what do we do with the losers who just don't have what it takes?
Most of what you cited are results of personal choice...Lot's of things, all of which I'm thankful that I don't have to any great degree.
Lot's of things doesn't really qualify as an answer to the question. There are plenty of stories of people who made the decision to overcome issues to become successful. Not everyone will make those decisions, but they can.....if they really want to.
Laziness, stupidity, ignorance, bad up-bringing, lack of education, bad breaks, bad life choices, drugs, alchohol, mental instability, etc, etc, etc.
And yes, there are plenty of stories of people who made the decision to overcome issues to become successful and probably just as many who didn't.
So the question is, as a society, what do we do with the losers who just don't have what it takes?
i've made this challenge twice before here on other threads and i've yet to have any one accept.
On your way home from work tonight, drive thru the part of town where the homeless live. Pick one out. Offer to take them home and move them into the extra room you have. We all have them. You know, that extra room that collects all of our extra stuff. After all, if you have that "junk room", then you have "more than you need" and it's only the right thing to do to open it up to those who are "less fortunate" than yourself. Before you get home though, swing by the grocery store and let them pick out their favorite foods that you will graciously prepare for them. While you are at it, stop by the hardware store and get a new house key made for them. Let them know that they are welcome to invite all their old street buddies over anytine they like.
How many here crying for the welfare crowd are willing to put their personal home where their mouth is? Why not? You're perfectly happy to tax those who "have more than they need" to hand a check to those "less fortunate" when it is impersonal. Step up and do of your own free will what you want the government to force others to do to make you feel good about yourself. Then we can talk.
i've made this challenge twice before here on other threads and i've yet to have any one accept.
On your way home from work tonight, drive thru the part of town where the homeless live. Pick one out. Offer to take them home and move them into the extra room you have. We all have them. You know, that extra room that collects all of our extra stuff. After all, if you have that "junk room", then you have "more than you need" and it's only the right thing to do to open it up to those who are "less fortunate" than yourself. Before you get home though, swing by the grocery store and let them pick out their favorite foods that you will graciously prepare for them. While you are at it, stop by the hardware store and get a new house key made for them. Let them know that they are welcome to invite all their old street buddies over anytine they like.
How many here crying for the welfare crowd are willing to put their personal home where their mouth is? Why not? You're perfectly happy to tax those who "have more than they need" to hand a check to those "less fortunate" when it is impersonal. Step up and do of your own free will what you want the government to force others to do to make you feel good about yourself. Then we can talk.
chirp........chirp.......chirp
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Finally someone with brains. We should make it 24 months
Welcome to 1997!
<that's been the federal law for almost 15 years. States that wish to allow longer periods or grant more waivers than allowed must fund it themselves>
When the welfare tap finally runs dry on these people there will be much rejoicing in Michigan as these people will leave the state for another state that will take care of them. So to those states that get these people, I'm glad you thought it was such a good idea to cut them off in Michigan, now you can care for them.
Unfortunately, this is a great gimmick and it sounds great to everyone who buys into the idea that we should not be supporting lazy people. Here is the problem with it. There is an assumption that when these people are forced off the dole that they will then go out and finally find a job and earn a living. Sorry, but while that may happen for a few, for most it will not. What will happen is that many of these people will turn to crime and find themselves being arrested and sent to prison.
Here is where the real problem lies. Twenty percent of Michigan's state budget already goes to imprisoning criminals. They are spending close to $2 billion per year on running the prison system, and even this past year, they added even more inmates as the bad economy has turned more people to crime. So what will actually happen is that the state will save a few million on welfare payments and turn around and be forced to spend tens of millions more on locking these people up in prison.
If we want to get these people off of welfare, we need to find a way to train them and get them into the workforce. Just throwing them off of welfare will only change where we throw our tax dollars, and in fact might actually cost more. These are just realities. It has nothing to do whether you agree or disagree with supporting people through a welfare system.
When the welfare tap finally runs dry on these people there will be much rejoicing in Michigan as these people will leave the state for another state that will take care of them. So to those states that get these people, I'm glad you thought it was such a good idea to cut them off in Michigan, now you can care for them.
Unfortunately, this is a great gimmick and it sounds great to everyone who buys into the idea that we should not be supporting lazy people. Here is the problem with it. There is an assumption that when these people are forced off the dole that they will then go out and finally find a job and earn a living. Sorry, but while that may happen for a few, for most it will not. What will happen is that many of these people will turn to crime and find themselves being arrested and sent to prison.
Here is where the real problem lies. Twenty percent of Michigan's state budget already goes to imprisoning criminals. They are spending close to $2 billion per year on running the prison system, and even this past year, they added even more inmates as the bad economy has turned more people to crime. So what will actually happen is that the state will save a few million on welfare payments and turn around and be forced to spend tens of millions more on locking these people up in prison.
If we want to get these people off of welfare, we need to find a way to train them and get them into the workforce. Just throwing them off of welfare will only change where we throw our tax dollars, and in fact might actually cost more. These are just realities. It has nothing to do whether you agree or disagree with supporting people through a welfare system.
Savings to the state would total $77.4 million, including $65 million in the general fund.
It's a step in the right direction, but I would have gone much further and denied welfare benefits to anyone who has children out of wedlock. That's the cause of about 70% of people being on the welfare roles in the first place.
Sure.
Just let them all starve and fall dead in the streets..
Jerk.
What happens to them is neither my problem nor my responsibility. This is a country of individual responsibility. If you make stupid decisions then you pay the consequences.
And please stop pretending like you're so pious. You're real sympathetic to the welfare state as long as someone else is footing the bill. There's nothing moral about that.
Sure.
Just let them all starve and fall dead in the streets..
Jerk.
What happens to them is neither my problem nor my responsibility. This is a country of individual responsibility. If you make stupid decisions then you pay the consequences.
And please stop pretending like you're so pious. You're real sympathetic to the welfare state as long as someone else is footing the bill. There's nothing moral about that.
You have no idea what America would look like if any sane person agreed with your simplistic view of the poorest among us.
You'd be tripping over bodies on your way down to the local bar. Jerk.
i've made this challenge twice before here on other threads and i've yet to have any one accept.
On your way home from work tonight, drive thru the part of town where the homeless live. Pick one out. Offer to take them home and move them into the extra room you have. We all have them. You know, that extra room that collects all of our extra stuff. After all, if you have that "junk room", then you have "more than you need" and it's only the right thing to do to open it up to those who are "less fortunate" than yourself. Before you get home though, swing by the grocery store and let them pick out their favorite foods that you will graciously prepare for them. While you are at it, stop by the hardware store and get a new house key made for them. Let them know that they are welcome to invite all their old street buddies over anytine they like.
How many here crying for the welfare crowd are willing to put their personal home where their mouth is? Why not? You're perfectly happy to tax those who "have more than they need" to hand a check to those "less fortunate" when it is impersonal. Step up and do of your own free will what you want the government to force others to do to make you feel good about yourself. Then we can talk.
chirp........chirp.......chirp
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i've made this challenge twice before here on other threads and i've yet to have any one accept.
On your way home from work tonight, drive thru the part of town where the homeless live. Pick one out. Offer to take them home and move them into the extra room you have. We all have them. You know, that extra room that collects all of our extra stuff. After all, if you have that "junk room", then you have "more than you need" and it's only the right thing to do to open it up to those who are "less fortunate" than yourself. Before you get home though, swing by the grocery store and let them pick out their favorite foods that you will graciously prepare for them. While you are at it, stop by the hardware store and get a new house key made for them. Let them know that they are welcome to invite all their old street buddies over anytine they like.
How many here crying for the welfare crowd are willing to put their personal home where their mouth is? Why not? You're perfectly happy to tax those who "have more than they need" to hand a check to those "less fortunate" when it is impersonal. Step up and do of your own free will what you want the government to force others to do to make you feel good about yourself. Then we can talk.
chirp........chirp.......chirp
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Chirt....... Chirp..........Chirp...... Is right.
Don't hold your breath there my friend.
Its so much easier to spend everyone else's money.
If they had to spend just their own money believe me their feel good about themselves bleeding hearts would dry up pretty damned quick.
i've made this challenge twice before here on other threads and i've yet to have any one accept.
On your way home from work tonight, drive thru the part of town where the homeless live. Pick one out. Offer to take them home and move them into the extra room you have. We all have them. You know, that extra room that collects all of our extra stuff. After all, if you have that "junk room", then you have "more than you need" and it's only the right thing to do to open it up to those who are "less fortunate" than yourself. Before you get home though, swing by the grocery store and let them pick out their favorite foods that you will graciously prepare for them. While you are at it, stop by the hardware store and get a new house key made for them. Let them know that they are welcome to invite all their old street buddies over anytine they like.
How many here crying for the welfare crowd are willing to put their personal home where their mouth is? Why not? You're perfectly happy to tax those who "have more than they need" to hand a check to those "less fortunate" when it is impersonal. Step up and do of your own free will what you want the government to force others to do to make you feel good about yourself. Then we can talk.
chirp........chirp.......chirp
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Fuck that.
That's the kind of shit I pay and expect the government to take care of.
