Michigan Big Gov't Republicans

[martybegan]

Makes more sense than you do n00b.

But, I already knew you're brain dead.......you're a teabagger.

If thats the best response you can come up with then I guess you're out of real concepts or ideas.

Here's a hint, dont try to spout the facist thing to a person who has actually READ Mein Kampf (what a fucking horrible book, both in content and form), and is a student of military history and the causes of wars, most notably WWII.

Too many people fall into the "its bad, lets call if facist!" trap without really understanding what facism is. Its just as bad as the people screaming everyone is a communist.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I watched a great piece on Maddow about Michigan's new Emergency Management Law. It's a controversial law that allows the state to appoint emergency financial managers to towns that are struggling financially. The EFMs are given complete authority. They are even allowed to fire elected officials and dissolve towns. Watch the entire video. At the end is an interview with a Michigan mayor. It's a real eye opener. I'd like to know what any small gov't conservatives think of this.

I've also included an article from the Michigan Messenger.

An elected official cannot be fired.

They didn't fire them, they just told them that there are only 3 things they can do. Open a meeting, approve the minutes and close the meeting. Nothing else.

They've been effectively silenced.

BTW..........anyone remember a little thing called Nazi Germany? They used the government to take over there as well.

Hmm........the GOP is proving themselves to be facists.

I never said they did, dumbass!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I watched a great piece on Maddow about Michigan's new Emergency Management Law. It's a controversial law that allows the state to appoint emergency financial managers to towns that are struggling financially. The EFMs are given complete authority. They are even allowed to fire elected officials and dissolve towns. Watch the entire video. At the end is an interview with a Michigan mayor. It's a real eye opener. I'd like to know what any small gov't conservatives think of this.

I've also included an article from the Michigan Messenger.

An elected official cannot be fired.

They can be in Michigan. How does that sit with you? Republican, Democrat or Independent. Everybody should be paying attention.

Sec. 7. The governor shall have power and it shall be his duty, except at such time as the legislature may be in session, to examine into the condition and administration of any public office and the acts of any public officer, elective or appointive; to remove from office for gross neglect of duty or for corrupt conduct in office, or any other misfeasance or malfeasance therein, any elective or appointive state officer, except legislative or judicial, and report the causes of such removal to the legislature at its next session.

The OP suggested that these appointees could fire an elected official and they were wrong.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Makes more sense than you do n00b.

But, I already knew you're brain dead.......you're a teabagger.

If thats the best response you can come up with then I guess you're out of real concepts or ideas.

Here's a hint, dont try to spout the facist thing to a person who has actually READ Mein Kampf (what a fucking horrible book, both in content and form), and is a student of military history and the causes of wars, most notably WWII.

Too many people fall into the "its bad, lets call if facist!" trap without really understanding what facism is. Its just as bad as the people screaming everyone is a communist.

I'm using the definitions of words as written in the dictionary. You are the one that seems to be ignoring facts.

Like I said you stupid little n00b, try again.

And.........FWIW........MUSSOLINI is who started Fascism, not Hitler. WWII expert indeed.

 

[martybegan]

Makes more sense than you do n00b.

But, I already knew you're brain dead.......you're a teabagger.

If thats the best response you can come up with then I guess you're out of real concepts or ideas.

Here's a hint, dont try to spout the facist thing to a person who has actually READ Mein Kampf (what a fucking horrible book, both in content and form), and is a student of military history and the causes of wars, most notably WWII.

Too many people fall into the "its bad, lets call if facist!" trap without really understanding what facism is. Its just as bad as the people screaming everyone is a communist.

I'm using the definitions of words as written in the dictionary. You are the one that seems to be ignoring facts.

Like I said you stupid little n00b, try again.

And.........FWIW........MUSSOLINI is who started Fascism, not Hitler. WWII expert indeed.

You really want to go here?

You are quoting a dictionary about a word, while trying to imply that republicans are basically facists in the making. You then try to relate this topic to facism, and thus relate republicans to facism. The word definition has nothing to do with it. We all get what a facist is. You broke godwins law, basically because you are exactly using the "facist = bad" line of logic. All conservatives are not facists, hell not all facists are conservatives. Some for example Roehm and Strasser, were far more into the socialist part of Nazism than what occured after the takeover of power.

and yes, brain-giant, mussolini had the first modern government that could be considered facist, and yes that is the root of the word. All this does NOTHING to disprove what I am saying. Also while Il Duce may have started the concept, Ole' Adlof perfected (or corrupted it? it started bad, so corrupting bad would be good, but its bad,,, ugh too confusing) it. Basically you say facist, people read Nazi, not the "eye"talian version.

if however you want to have a spirited discussion on the decison to launch the Kursk offensive, and based on the intellegence the wermacht had (basically the sailent was a giant anti-tank trap), what they should have done instead, that would be more to my speed.

 

[ABikerSailor]

From Wikipedia............

Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics.[3] Fascists seek to purge forces and ideas deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration and produce their nation's rebirth based on commitment to the national community based on organic unity where individuals are bound together by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and "blood".[4] Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[5] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.[6]

Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Some scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right,[9][10][11][12] while others claim it is the extreme form of a centerist ideology. [13]

Fascists exalt violence, war, and militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character, and creating national comradeship through the military service.[14] Fascists view violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[15]

Fascism is anti-communist, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian, anti-conservative on certain issues, and in a number of cases anti-capitalist.[16] Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.[17] In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements.[18] Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[19] They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system.[20]

Try again.

 

[martybegan]

An elected official cannot be fired.

They can be in Michigan. How does that sit with you? Republican, Democrat or Independent. Everybody should be paying attention.

Sec. 7. The governor shall have power and it shall be his duty, except at such time as the legislature may be in session, to examine into the condition and administration of any public office and the acts of any public officer, elective or appointive; to remove from office for gross neglect of duty or for corrupt conduct in office, or any other misfeasance or malfeasance therein, any elective or appointive state officer, except legislative or judicial, and report the causes of such removal to the legislature at its next session.

The OP suggested that these appointees could fire an elected official and they were wrong.

If you scroll up to my previous posts, local governments are covered under Article 7. parts 20,21 and 33 i think are what the law is based on.

 

[martybegan]

From Wikipedia............

Fascism ( /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists advocate the creation of a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through indoctrination, physical education, and family policy including eugenics.[3] Fascists seek to purge forces and ideas deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration and produce their nation's rebirth based on commitment to the national community based on organic unity where individuals are bound together by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and "blood".[4] Fascists believe that a nation requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.[5] Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the state.[6]

Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Some scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right,[9][10][11][12] while others claim it is the extreme form of a centerist ideology. [13]

Fascists exalt violence, war, and militarism as providing positive transformation in society, in providing spiritual renovation, education, instilling of a will to dominate in people's character, and creating national comradeship through the military service.[14] Fascists view violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.[15]

Fascism is anti-communist, anti-democratic, anti-individualist, anti-liberal, anti-parliamentary, anti-bourgeois and anti-proletarian, anti-conservative on certain issues, and in a number of cases anti-capitalist.[16] Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism in favour of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.[17] In economics, fascists oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based movements.[18] Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class movement that promotes resolving economic class conflict to secure national solidarity.[19] They support a regulated, multi-class, integrated national economic system.[20]

Try again.

and how does this prove your point that republicans are facists? Hey look! words! oooooohhh!!!!.

 

[StevenC]

I watched a great piece on Maddow about Michigan's new Emergency Management Law. It's a controversial law that allows the state to appoint emergency financial managers to towns that are struggling financially. The EFMs are given complete authority. They are even allowed to fire elected officials and dissolve towns. Watch the entire video. At the end is an interview with a Michigan mayor. It's a real eye opener. I'd like to know what any small gov't conservatives think of this.

I've also included an article from the Michigan Messenger.

Benton Harbor takeover sparks furious reaction | Michigan Messenger

The impoverished former industrial town of Benton Harbor has become a flashpoint in the controversy over the new law that allows the governor to appoint Emergency Managers with virtually unlimited authority over local governments.

On Thursday the state-appointed Emergency Manager Joe Harris used the expanded powers granted by the new law to issue an order banning the city commission from taking any action without his written permission.

Benton Harbor City Commissioner Juanita Henry says her constituents are angry and looking for help, but without the power to hold meetings the city commission can’t even provide an official venue for citizens to ask questions and get answers.

“They are using Benton Harbor as a test case,“ Henry said. “If they have disenfranchised the people so badly they just don’t respond to anything, they can do this all over the country.”

Community activist Rev. Edward Pinkney said that many Benton Harbor residents only learned that their city government had been sacked by reading about it in the paper days later.

Though home to the corporate headquarters of appliance giant Whirlpool, the city lost its last manufacturing plant this year, almost half the population lives below the poverty line and the public lakefront has been privatized as part of a luxury golf development backed by the Whirlpool corporation.
(An appeal of the conversion of the city park is underway in federal court.)

Gov. Jennifer Granholm approved a state takeover of Benton Harbor’s finances last year after the city needed help meeting payroll.

Relations have been strained between the elected officials and the Emergency Manager Harris. In January the city commission tried to oust him after criticizing his expenses and his plans to cut the fire department.

“People should be paying attention to what is happening here because Benton Harbor is GROUND ZERO for the future of what is to become of our state under Governor Rick Snyder,“ said Carole Drake, who fought the privatization of Jean Klock Park in state court.

Locals in Benton Harbor said they will work to repeal their state Rep. Al Pscholka, who sponsored the bill, as well as State Sen. John Proos and Gov. Rick Snyder who also approved it.

As long as it is the "State" government and not "Federal" government I am all for it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I watched a great piece on Maddow about Michigan's new Emergency Management Law. It's a controversial law that allows the state to appoint emergency financial managers to towns that are struggling financially. The EFMs are given complete authority. They are even allowed to fire elected officials and dissolve towns. Watch the entire video. At the end is an interview with a Michigan mayor. It's a real eye opener. I'd like to know what any small gov't conservatives think of this.

What ever gave you the idea that the Republican Party was opposed to big government?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Hey......still don't change the fact that it's true. Facists are those who are a far right wing group who believe in a strong hierarchel structure with government running everything.

Knowledge is power.

Fascism is normally described as "extreme right",[33] although writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult.[34] There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational.[10] A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things.[11][12][13]

There were factions within Italian Fascism on both the left and the right. The accommodation of the political right into Fascism in the early 1920s led to the creation of a number of internal factions in the Italian Fascist movement. The "Fascist left" included Angelo Oliviero Olivetti, Sergio Panunzio, and Edmondo Rossoni, who were committed to advancing national syndicalism as a replacement for parliamentary liberalism in order to modernize the economy and advance the interests of workers and the common people.[35] The "Fascist right" included members of the Fascist paramilitary "Squadristi" and former members of the Italian Nationalist Association (ANI).[35]

Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia