Michele Bachmann: Obama Health Care Reform 'The Crown Jewel Of Socialism'

Promote being the key word RDD...Not "do for" but "promote"

Yeah and when their rights are being raped by insurance companies, that's when action was needed. So they are in fact, upholding the constitution.

Actually, you need to understand the truth about insurance...

and dont jump donw my throat until you offer me the respect of reading what I am saying...

It is the greed of the people...the consumer...not the insurance companies....as is the reason for the "pre-existing" caluse...

People tended to not buy insurance until they needed it. Insurance was not worth the money for the 100 every 6 months visit for strep throat...but when something major came up? THEN they would buy insurance....and that is a losing prospect for an insurance company.

So get of the evil insurance company rhetoric...it is getting old.
Actually, the "rhetoric" is far from old, because it's still very much true. I understand that allowing people to buy insurance only when they become sick is bad business, and that's why you have open enrollment periods to stop such behavior. That's no excuse for insurance companies to actively seek out reasons to deny coverage to already existing customers based upon ridiculous pre-existing conditions.

So what is the fix?

We already have it in place.

Free healthcare for anyone who needs it at the ER.

Sorry it is not "luxurious" and "comfortable"......

But it is there.

You're smarter then this. So this "free" healthcare that anyone can get an ER....someone has to foot that bill. So who picks up that cost?
 
Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

Of course not, but she's never wrong, so she has to state her case, as ridiculous as it may be.

If she interpreted every word to be literal, then she would argue against Nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, automatic weapons, the entire airforce, etc.....

Where is the part of the Constitution that authorized the Space Program?

The Spending Power Clause
 
I just posted it for her and highlighted the portion that should, (but won't) shut down that ridiculous argument.

Promote being the key word RDD...Not "do for" but "promote"
"Promote", not "provide".

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
 
Promote being the key word RDD...Not "do for" but "promote"
"Promote", not "provide".

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Right....As defined by what follows....But the passage quoted was from the preamble.

Nothing in the rest of Article 1, Section 8, authorizes nationalizing/socializing of any industry.
 
Yeah and when their rights are being raped by insurance companies, that's when action was needed. So they are in fact, upholding the constitution.

Actually, you need to understand the truth about insurance...

and dont jump donw my throat until you offer me the respect of reading what I am saying...

It is the greed of the people...the consumer...not the insurance companies....as is the reason for the "pre-existing" caluse...

People tended to not buy insurance until they needed it. Insurance was not worth the money for the 100 every 6 months visit for strep throat...but when something major came up? THEN they would buy insurance....and that is a losing prospect for an insurance company.

So get of the evil insurance company rhetoric...it is getting old.
Actually, the "rhetoric" is far from old, because it's still very much true. I understand that allowing people to buy insurance only when they become sick is bad business, and that's why you have open enrollment periods to stop such behavior. That's no excuse for insurance companies to actively seek out reasons to deny coverage to already existing customers based upon ridiculous pre-existing conditions.

So what is the fix?

We already have it in place.

Free healthcare for anyone who needs it at the ER.

Sorry it is not "luxurious" and "comfortable"......

But it is there.

You're smarter then this. So this "free" healthcare that anyone can get an ER....someone has to foot that bill. So who picks up that cost?

Who picks it up?

The American Taxpayer...as we have been for years without anyone complaining about it.

I dont mind my tax dollars going to welfare, ER healthcare and other "necessities" for the less fortunate.

I do mind it when the government decides to control it and take away liberties in an effort to implement it.
 
"Promote", not "provide".

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Right....As defined by what follows.

Nothing in the rest of Article 1, Section 8, authorizes nationalizing/socializing of any industry.

Which industry has been nationalized?
 
"promote the General Welfare". Key word: Promote. Not provide - you will notice that the founders wrote 'provide for' when referring to defending the nation.

And... the Preamble is not the Articles that gives the Federal Government the responsibility. It is the 'why' of the Constitution..... the 'how' is the Articles.

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

Of course not, but she's never wrong, so she has to state her case, as ridiculous as it may be.

If she interpreted every word to be literal, then she would argue against Nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, automatic weapons, the entire airforce, etc.....

I think the argument would be that Medicaid is unconstitutional, probably all of the non-retirement aspects of Social Security, such as care for the disabled is unconstitutional, the Center for Disease Control, unconstitutional, FEMA, unconstitutional, the interstate highway system, unconstitutional, Food Stamps, unconstitutional...for starters.

...hey maybe CG would say the $1000 per child child tax credit is unconstitutional, after all, if anything is the Federal government 'helping' a certain group of people, that is.
 
"Promote", not "provide".

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Right....As defined by what follows....But the passage quoted was from the preamble.

Nothing in the rest of Article 1, Section 8, authorizes nationalizing/socializing of any industry.

Yep.
 
Michele Bachmann: Obama Health Care Reform 'The Crown Jewel Of Socialism'


Do these dumb focking rightwingers know what socialism really is? I guess they think that repeating it over and over again is going to make it true.

If you spend money invading another country.....Its PATRIOTISM

If you spend money helping Americans............Its SOCIALISM

Weak red herring argument. So basically what you are saying is that since America went to war with a country that provides the reasoning that America should adopt Universal Healthcare? :eusa_eh:

Good point! :cuckoo:


No

The point is that conservatives are perfectly willing to spend trillions invading another country to provide for their welfare.

When it comes time to spend money to help Americans they pull out their "Socialism" card
 
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If you spend money invading another country.....Its PATRIOTISM

If you spend money helping Americans............Its SOCIALISM

Weak red herring argument. So basically what you are saying is that since America went to war with a country that provides the reasoning that America should adopt Universal Healthcare? :eusa_eh:

Good point! :cuckoo:


No

The point is that conservatives are perfectly willing to spend trillions invading another country to provide for their welfare.

When it comes time to spend money to help Americans they pull out their "Socialism" card

Either you are very naive or you are spinning the facts.

Which one is it?
 
Actually, you need to understand the truth about insurance...

and dont jump donw my throat until you offer me the respect of reading what I am saying...

It is the greed of the people...the consumer...not the insurance companies....as is the reason for the "pre-existing" caluse...

People tended to not buy insurance until they needed it. Insurance was not worth the money for the 100 every 6 months visit for strep throat...but when something major came up? THEN they would buy insurance....and that is a losing prospect for an insurance company.

So get of the evil insurance company rhetoric...it is getting old.
Actually, the "rhetoric" is far from old, because it's still very much true. I understand that allowing people to buy insurance only when they become sick is bad business, and that's why you have open enrollment periods to stop such behavior. That's no excuse for insurance companies to actively seek out reasons to deny coverage to already existing customers based upon ridiculous pre-existing conditions.

So what is the fix?

We already have it in place.

Free healthcare for anyone who needs it at the ER.

Sorry it is not "luxurious" and "comfortable"......

But it is there.

You're smarter then this. So this "free" healthcare that anyone can get an ER....someone has to foot that bill. So who picks up that cost?

Who picks it up?

The American Taxpayer...as we have been for years without anyone complaining about it.

I dont mind my tax dollars going to welfare, ER healthcare and other "necessities" for the less fortunate.

I do mind it when the government decides to control it and take away liberties in an effort to implement it.





No you don't mind. Not enough to vote him out of office anyway. You don't mind much.
 
Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

Of course not, but she's never wrong, so she has to state her case, as ridiculous as it may be.

If she interpreted every word to be literal, then she would argue against Nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, automatic weapons, the entire airforce, etc.....

Where is the part of the Constitution that authorized the Space Program?

That's funny, because yesterday in the story about the Republicans budget cuts it was mentioned that there would probably be strong resistance to NASA cuts FROM Republican representatives of states with a big space program presence.
 
"Promote", not "provide".

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
Right....As defined by what follows....But the passage quoted was from the preamble.

Nothing in the rest of Article 1, Section 8, authorizes nationalizing/socializing of any industry.

Durring WWII, ALL critical industries were nationalized

Where were the strict Constitutionalists then?
 
lol Willow.

Sorry I have such an impact on your life that you feel the need to make that comment so often.
 
Weak red herring argument. So basically what you are saying is that since America went to war with a country that provides the reasoning that America should adopt Universal Healthcare? :eusa_eh:

Good point! :cuckoo:


No

The point is that conservatives are perfectly willing to spend trillions invading another country to provide for their welfare.

When it comes time to spend money to help Americans they pull out their "Socialism" card

Either you are very naive or you are spinning the facts.

Which one is it?
We call it moral relativism and false dichotomy.
 
and why did they write into this bill that illegals would not be fined????
 
Of course not, but she's never wrong, so she has to state her case, as ridiculous as it may be.

If she interpreted every word to be literal, then she would argue against Nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, automatic weapons, the entire airforce, etc.....

Where is the part of the Constitution that authorized the Space Program?

That's funny, because yesterday in the story about the Republicans budget cuts it was mentioned that there would probably be strong resistance to NASA cuts FROM Republican representatives of states with a big space program presence.

Mis representation NYCarbineer.

The author of the "story" said he would "expect there to be resistance"...but had absolutely nothing as proof to back it up.....he offered his opinion.
 

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