Michele Bachmann: Obama Health Care Reform 'The Crown Jewel Of Socialism'

[rightwinger]

Michele Bachmann: Obama Health Care Reform 'The Crown Jewel Of Socialism'


Do these dumb focking rightwingers know what socialism really is? I guess they think that repeating it over and over again is going to make it true.

If you spend money invading another country.....Its PATRIOTISM

If you spend money helping Americans............Its SOCIALISM

Could you please point to the specific wording in the Constitution that says the Federal Government is responsible for 'helping Americans'. Thanks.

OK ....lets get the ball rolling on General Welfare

You can argue the pre-1936 interpretation and I will argue the interpretation we have been using for the last 75 years

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

 

[RDD_1210]

Read the Preamble. The sum total of the intent of the Constitution is to help Americans.

I just posted it for her and highlighted the portion that should, (but won't) shut down that ridiculous argument.

Promote being the key word RDD...Not "do for" but "promote"

Yeah and when their rights are being raped by insurance companies, that's when action was needed. So they are in fact, upholding the constitution.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Healthcare is as important as education.

At the very least, basic healthcare should be universally available without regard to ability to pay,

as is a basic education.

We should not have a nation where the wealthier you are the healthier you can afford to be. It's uncivilized.

 

[Truthmatters]

I seem to recall the public option had a massive appeal to the American people

 

[Jarhead]

Healthcare is as important as education.

At the very least, basic healthcare should be universally available without regard to ability to pay,

as is a basic education.

We should not have a nation where the wealthier you are the healthier you can afford to be. It's uncivilized.

The way we Americans are, no one is ever denied medical help when they need it.

Curious....is education more important than food? Shelter?

Why are those not on the list as "madatory"?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Could you please point to the specific wording in the Constitution that says the Federal Government is responsible for 'helping Americans'. Thanks.

Read the Preamble. The sum total of the intent of the Constitution is to help Americans.

"promote the General Welfare". Key word: Promote. Not provide - you will notice that the founders wrote 'provide for' when referring to defending the nation.

And... the Preamble is not the Articles that gives the Federal Government the responsibility. It is the 'why' of the Constitution..... the 'how' is the Articles.

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

 

[California Girl]

Healthcare is as important as education.

At the very least, basic healthcare should be universally available without regard to ability to pay,

as is a basic education.

We should not have a nation where the wealthier you are the healthier you can afford to be. It's uncivilized.

The way we Americans are, no one is ever denied medical help when they need it.

Curious....is education more important than food? Shelter?

Why are those not on the list as "madatory"?

One erosion at a time. Once they've embedded 'health', they'll go after the next thing on the list. I suspect it will be 'shelter'. They won't stop until we are Europe.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Healthcare is as important as education.

At the very least, basic healthcare should be universally available without regard to ability to pay,

as is a basic education.

We should not have a nation where the wealthier you are the healthier you can afford to be. It's uncivilized.

The way we Americans are, no one is ever denied medical help when they need it.

Curious....is education more important than food? Shelter?

Why are those not on the list as "madatory"?

Why did 2 people who couldn't afford transplants recently die in Arizona? Why is that whole Arizona 'death panel' 'rationing' controversy in the news if no one is ever denied medical help when they need it?

 

[California Girl]

Read the Preamble. The sum total of the intent of the Constitution is to help Americans.

"promote the General Welfare". Key word: Promote. Not provide - you will notice that the founders wrote 'provide for' when referring to defending the nation.

And... the Preamble is not the Articles that gives the Federal Government the responsibility. It is the 'why' of the Constitution..... the 'how' is the Articles.

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

It was designed to LIMIT the power of the Federal Government.

 

[RDD_1210]

Read the Preamble. The sum total of the intent of the Constitution is to help Americans.

"promote the General Welfare". Key word: Promote. Not provide - you will notice that the founders wrote 'provide for' when referring to defending the nation.

And... the Preamble is not the Articles that gives the Federal Government the responsibility. It is the 'why' of the Constitution..... the 'how' is the Articles.

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

Of course not, but she's never wrong, so she has to state her case, as ridiculous as it may be.

If she interpreted every word to be literal, then she would argue against Nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, automatic weapons, the entire airforce, etc.....

 

[RDD_1210]

"promote the General Welfare". Key word: Promote. Not provide - you will notice that the founders wrote 'provide for' when referring to defending the nation.

And... the Preamble is not the Articles that gives the Federal Government the responsibility. It is the 'why' of the Constitution..... the 'how' is the Articles.

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

It was designed to LIMIT the power of the Federal Government.

and ensure the welfare and well being of its citizens.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Healthcare is as important as education.

At the very least, basic healthcare should be universally available without regard to ability to pay,

as is a basic education.

We should not have a nation where the wealthier you are the healthier you can afford to be. It's uncivilized.

The way we Americans are, no one is ever denied medical help when they need it.

Curious....is education more important than food? Shelter?

Why are those not on the list as "madatory"?

One erosion at a time. Once they've embedded 'health', they'll go after the next thing on the list. I suspect it will be 'shelter'. They won't stop until we are Europe.

Europe where the healthcare costs about half of what ours does?

 

[Jarhead]

I just posted it for her and highlighted the portion that should, (but won't) shut down that ridiculous argument.

Promote being the key word RDD...Not "do for" but "promote"

Yeah and when their rights are being raped by insurance companies, that's when action was needed. So they are in fact, upholding the constitution.

Actually, you need to understand the truth about insurance...

and dont jump donw my throat until you offer me the respect of reading what I am saying...

It is the greed of the people...the consumer...not the insurance companies....as is the reason for the "pre-existing" caluse...

People tended to not buy insurance until they needed it. Insurance was not worth the money for the 100 every 6 months visit for strep throat...but when something major came up? THEN they would buy insurance....and that is a losing prospect for an insurance company.

So get of the evil insurance company rhetoric...it is getting old.

So what is the fix?

We already have it in place.

Free healthcare for anyone who needs it at the ER.

Sorry it is not "luxurious" and "comfortable"......

But it is there.

 

[WillowTree]

If you spend money invading another country.....Its PATRIOTISM

If you spend money helping Americans............Its SOCIALISM

Could you please point to the specific wording in the Constitution that says the Federal Government is responsible for 'helping Americans'. Thanks.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

But actually the truth is only 50% of We the People. actually pay Federal Income TAx to "promote the general welfare"


so let's regroup


50% pay 50% do not pay


Gov. mandates that you WILL buy healthcare


Gov. will penalize you if you don't by levying a fine.


Gov. says this is a TAX that they are allowed to levy.. It is levied on only part of the people. Some states got special backroom deals. The unions get passes.


Yes, it is a gov. takeover of the highest socialist order.






You asswipes who call yourselves anti Palin go ahead and vote for the demonRats.. go ahead. but when you whine. I'll laugh in yer face.

 

[Oddball]

Read the Preamble. The sum total of the intent of the Constitution is to help Americans.

I just posted it for her and highlighted the portion that should, (but won't) shut down that ridiculous argument.

Promote being the key word RDD...Not "do for" but "promote"

"Promote", not "provide".

 

[GHook93]

Michele Bachmann: Obama Health Care Reform 'The Crown Jewel Of Socialism'


Do these dumb focking rightwingers know what socialism really is? I guess they think that repeating it over and over again is going to make it true.

If you spend money invading another country.....Its PATRIOTISM

If you spend money helping Americans............Its SOCIALISM

Could you please point to the specific wording in the Constitution that says the Federal Government is responsible for 'helping Americans'. Thanks.

CA Girl point to the constitution is not best argument. Since the consitution specifically gives congress spending powers. Congress has the ability to utilize this power as long as they are infringing on other constitutional rights. Finding the right it infringes on is a much better argument.

 

[Jarhead]

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

It was designed to LIMIT the power of the Federal Government.

and ensure the welfare and well being of its citizens.

yep...so they have the ability to go out and do for themselves.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"promote the General Welfare". Key word: Promote. Not provide - you will notice that the founders wrote 'provide for' when referring to defending the nation.

And... the Preamble is not the Articles that gives the Federal Government the responsibility. It is the 'why' of the Constitution..... the 'how' is the Articles.

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

It was designed to LIMIT the power of the Federal Government.

No. That is simply wrong. In the context of the times, the Constitution was designed to replace the Articles of Confederation which were considered a failure because the Federal Government was too weak. The Constitution was designed to expand the power of the Federal Government, with limits.

 

[rightwinger]

"promote the General Welfare". Key word: Promote. Not provide - you will notice that the founders wrote 'provide for' when referring to defending the nation.

And... the Preamble is not the Articles that gives the Federal Government the responsibility. It is the 'why' of the Constitution..... the 'how' is the Articles.

Apparently you don't understand that the Constitution was never designed to explicitly, line by line, item after item, page after page, detail after detail, specify everything single thing that could or could not be done constitutionally.

Of course not, but she's never wrong, so she has to state her case, as ridiculous as it may be.

If she interpreted every word to be literal, then she would argue against Nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, automatic weapons, the entire airforce, etc.....

Where is the part of the Constitution that authorized the Space Program?

 

[GHook93]

Michele Bachmann: Obama Health Care Reform 'The Crown Jewel Of Socialism'


Do these dumb focking rightwingers know what socialism really is? I guess they think that repeating it over and over again is going to make it true.

If you spend money invading another country.....Its PATRIOTISM

If you spend money helping Americans............Its SOCIALISM

Weak red herring argument. So basically what you are saying is that since America went to war with a country that provides the reasoning that America should adopt Universal Healthcare?

Good point!