Michael Moore Is Patriotic? Bullshit!

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    Michael Moore is promoted constantly by his supporters as a “true American” and a “real patriot” for “causing people to think” about certain issues. His detractors, of which I am one, point out that the manner in which he positions his dissent is what makes him un-American, not the act of dissent itself.

    It’s not that dissent is unpatriotic, it is the method and rhetoric chosen by the dissenter that can be unpatriotic. Whether you believe this war is just or not, you must accept the fact that we are at war. This said, the act of dissenting in wartime is a patriotic duty if one disagrees with policy, however choosing to do so in a manner that demoralizes troops and demonizes the country they are fighting for is simply....by definition...unpatriotic. Most of the discussion about patriotism and anti-Americanism has focused around support for the Iraq war and/or the war on terror. The hawks say that if you’re against the war you’re against America, and the doves say the opposite. So let’s remove the war from the equation for the time being. Take a look at this fawning biography of Moore by a liberal author.

    "Michael Moore can certainly be obnoxious. We might not put up with his behavior from someone who didn’t have such brilliant comic timing or who wasn’t so clearly an American son. But Bowling for Columbine, more so than any of his other works, makes it clear that Moore loves America and ordinary Americans, so it’s easier to take it when he outs some of the darker sides of our character. He may not have all the answers. But he’s the only one challenging so many of us to take a long hard look in the mirror. So Moore is a patriot who loves America and Americans."

    But what has he actually said about America? He doesn’t like the American ethic of self-reliance and rugged individualism, as expressed in this sycophantic interview with Katie Couric:

    Katie Couric: So why do you think Canada has such a better track record on gun control than the United States?

    Michael Moore: Maybe we should aspire to be more Canadian-like.

    Katie Couric: So, so why do you think Canada has such a better track record than the United States? You partially blame the media and you praise enlightened politicians in Canada.

    Michael Moore: Yeah. Yeah, basically, I think that’s it. I think there’s a Canadian ethic that says, I mean, the way they live in their society, they believe that they’re all Canadians and they’re all in the same boat. If one of them gets sick, they should get a doctor. We should pay for that. If one of us loses our job, if we’re Canadians, you know, we should help them out. Our ethic in America is, ‘Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Every man for himself. Me, me, me, me, me.’ And, and it’s, it’s just, I think it helps to, you know, create this, this climate where people then become violent toward each other.


    The “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” mentality has been the hallmark of American life since this country’s inception. It’s a distinctly American ethic, standing in stark contrast to the European and Canadian soft socialist ideal of the nanny state taking care of citizens cradle-to-grave. America was founded on a principle of limited government and individual responsibility, not an all-encompassing government meddling in the private issues of private citizens.

    And what does Moore think about Americans? We only have to look at what he says about Americans when there are none of them around, like in Germany.

    Should such an ignorant people [Americans] lead the world? How did it come to this in the first place? 82 percent of us don’t even have a passport! Just a handful can speak a language other than English (and we don’t even speak that very well.) ...

    We approach life relatively openly and generously and without complication. When you ask us for help we come to help you. And when you tell us that donkeys can fly we believe it (when you say it on television.). ...

    Ok, come on, you Germans, you really know better! You are well-read. Your media also reports on things south of the Alps. You travel. You value education. And in the past year you took over the moral leadership in the question of war or peace. I urgently ask of you that you show the same moral ability to judge when it comes to maintaining the German social net for those weakest in your country. Don’t go the American way when it comes to economics, jobs and services for the poor and immigrants. It is the wrong way."

    Or in England.
    During a recent whistle-stop promo tour of England, Michael Moore was asked by a sympathetic Daily Mirror columnist to meditate on that favorite subject of anti-Americans the world over, America's supposed intelligence problem - not, of course, the CIA, NSA kind of intelligence. To the apparent delight of his interlocutor, Moore answered with Il Duce-like subtlety, claiming that "they are possibly the dumbest people on the planet" (note the careful pronoun selection), citing a recent National Geographic world geography survey as irrefutable evidence of our ignorance and “embarrassing stupidity." So we are a stupid, ignorant, paranoid people according to Moore. This explains our “culture of fear” which is embodied in our relish at bombing other countries and our fascination with violence here at home. There are countless other examples of Moore’s negative opinions of America, I could quote them all day. But honestly, are these the opinions of someone who truly loves his country? It is my position that they are not.

    Michael Moore is trying to change America into a neo-socialist European-style society. Moore doesn’t like the free enterprise system, (except when it profits himeself) capitalism, property rights, individual responsibility, or the concept of limited government. All of these are the bedrock upon which American society was built. Moore likes the nanny state, soft socialism, powerful government, and subservience to a greater good. These are the qualities upon which most of post-WWII Europe was built.

    So, can it truly be said that Moore is an American patriot if his goal is to turn America into Europe? And if you accept the premise, as I do, that a nation is largely the sum of its people, how can someone who thinks Americans are the most ignorant people on Earth be considered a patriot in any sense of the word?

    http://www.i-hate-liberals.com/michael-moore.html
     
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    He is a patriot because like a real patriot he constantly presents legitmate questions...and tries to make...tries to make...and...and...questions authority...and his America-bashing shows he has courage to point out what's wrong with the country, namely that we exist, and that is more patriotic than all the flag-waving redn--...redne---, redneck-- :puke3:

    I'm sorry, that happens every time I try and do my Democrat impression.
     
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    It's his dissent that makes him unpatriotic, it's his anti-american message.
     
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    To put it in the simplest language, he lies to make America look bad. Add to that he's called Americans "the stupidest people on earth", and I can't even imagine why anyone in their right mind would listen to a thing that revolting mother fucker has to say, let alone PAY to hear it. Some people are purely brain dead.
     
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    Michael Moore IS a patriot. A Canadian one. :huddle:


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    Americans ARE the stupidest people on earth. Americans like Al Franken, John Kerry, Conan O'Brien, Michael Moore, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Maureen Dowd, Margaret Cho, Al Sharpton, Eminem, Dave Matthews, Richard Gere, Madonna, (a.k.a. "Esther") Hillary Clinton, Gaven Newsom, Tom Daschle, Sulzberger, etc., etc., etc. Want me to go on? :D
     
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    I think of "patriots" like Mickey Moore, John "global test" Kerry, and the ad-writers for Subway sandwiches - whose campaign in Europe played on anti-American jealousy and contempt - and shake my head. How could an existence be any more pathetic than theirs? What must it be like to need the world's approval THAT badly?

    Funny how the ever-so-nuanced and oh-so-sophisticated world knows exactly where to turn whenever they get their asses in a sling, though, isn't it? They manage to tolerate our lowbrow, bumpkin ways when they need us, which is EVERY F***ING DAY!!!!
     
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    like his ability to show half (his half) of a story and tell half truths and lies... your right :puke3:
     
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    Here I'll help.

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