Michael Moore Has Completely Lost His Mind

[Truthmatters]

The OP called MM crazy.


I asked him if we did arm Bin Laden.

He said he never heard that and I informed him of the facts.


You just read whatever you want into what people say because your heart is FULL of hate for half the American people who dont agree with your politics.


Face who you are and quit trying to blame others for your hate

 

[del]

truth doesn't matter would need a crystal ball in 1980 when we were helping Bin Ladin to know he would become what he was. So how about you keeping up.

that doesn't changer the fact that she was correct.

grow a pair or shut the fuck up.

actually, do both

So? we helped him in the past. Did we know then he would become what he was?

no one said we did.

y'know lead paint chips aren't a snack food.

 

[del]

michael moore is as big a douche as you'll find roaming free

 

[GHook93]

Now that we’ve killed Osama bin Laden, let’s kill oil | Grist

Now that we killed OBL, let's kill oil! First, killing oil is great in theory, but can't happen now without destroying the world. Second, killing reliance on foreign oil is the key. We have the biggest supplies of oil and natural gas in the world. Allow us to take advantage of the oil sands in CO (off limits), ANWR (off limits), off shore (limited and becoming restricted) and deep sea (off limits), then we could be an oil exporter.

Read a great article in Times about the natural gas findings in PA and NY. The largest concentration in the world (making us have the 2nd largest reserves next to mother Russia). The article stated that if we forced (hate the world), semi trucks to run on natural gas (which would be cheaper for them), our current domestic products would gover 85%-90% of our needs and no more oil from Hugo Fatass, no more from Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Libya, Iraq etc.!!!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

that doesn't changer the fact that she was correct.

grow a pair or shut the fuck up.

actually, do both

So? we helped him in the past. Did we know then he would become what he was?

no one said we did.

y'know lead paint chips aren't a snack food.

You must have ate a whole case of lead paint as a child.

refusing the real history for a politically correct form will lead to further failed policy

Incase you havent noticed we did arm OBL

The OP called MM crazy.


I asked him if we did arm Bin Laden.

He said he never heard that and I informed him of the facts.


You just read whatever you want into what people say because your heart is FULL of hate for half the American people who dont agree with your politics.


Face who you are and quit trying to blame others for your hate

Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

its called history






Saur revolution and Soviet warMain articles: Saur Revolution and Soviet war in Afghanistan

Outside the Palace Gate (Arg) in Kabul, the day after Saur Revolution on April 28, 1978.In 1978, a prominent member of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), Mir Akbar Khyber, was allegedly killed by the Daoud government. Leaders of the PDPA feared that Daoud was planning to dismantle them because many were being arrested. Hafizullah Amin along with other PDPA members managed to remain at large and organised an uprising. The PDPA, led by Nur Mohammad Taraki, Babrak Karmal and Hafizullah Amin, overthrew the regime of Mohammad Daoud, who was assassinated along with his family during the April 1978 Saur Revolution. Taraki was declared President, Prime Minister and General Secretary of the PDPA. Once in power, the PDPA implemented a socialist agenda. It moved to carry out an ill-conceived land reform, which was misunderstood by virtually all Afghans.[88] They also imprisoned, tortured or murdered thousands of members of the traditional elite, the religious establishment, and the intelligentsia.[88] They also prohibited usury[89] and made a number of statements on women's rights, by declaring equality of the sexes[89] and introducing women to political life. Anahita Ratebzad was one of several female Marxist leaders and a member of the Revolutionary Council.

As part of its Cold War strategy, the White House in the United States began recruiting, financing and arming Mujahideen fighters during Operation Cyclone in 1979, which was aimed to defeat the Soviets. President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, warned at the time that this might prompt a Soviet intervention. In March 1979, Hafizullah Amin took over as prime minister, retaining the position of field marshal and becoming vice-president of the Supreme Defence Council. Taraki remained President and in control of the army until September 14 when he was killed.

telling the truth about our own policy to some is wrong.

Those people are doomed to repete the mistakes we have made in the past.

Its what makes their policy ideas so bad.

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Mujahideen in Afghanistan
Osama Bin Laden with Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir in 1997After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[58] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[59] From 1979 through 1989 under U.S. Presidents Carter and Reagan, the United States Central Intelligence Agency provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen through Operation Cyclone,[60] and the Reagan Doctrine. President Reagan often praised the Mujahideen as Afghanistan's "Freedom Fighters."

By 1984, with Azzam, bin Laden established Maktab al-Khadamat, which funneled money, arms and Muslim fighters from around the Arabic world into the Afghan war. Through al-Khadamat, bin Laden's inherited family fortune[61] paid for air tickets and accommodation, dealt with paperwork with Pakistani authorities and provided other such services for the jihad fighters. Osama established a camp in Afghanistan and with other volunteers fought the Soviets.

It was during his time in Peshawar that he began wearing camouflage-print jackets and carrying a captured Soviet assault rifle, which urban legends claimed he had obtained by killing a Russian soldier with his bare hands.[62]

 

[GHook93]

did we arm Osama in the early years of afganistan?

NO, we armed the Mujahedeen against the Soviets! He didn't run the Mujahedeen and came to the fighting in the tailend of the conflict. He wasn't a major player. The Mujahedeen didn't morph into Al Qaeda, they morphed into the Taliban. We armed the Taliban. We didn't give them guns, road side bombs, vehicles etc. What we gave them was stinger missiles to take out the Soviet aircraft. If you see the pictures and read the stories of how they are killing our troops. They carry soviet AK-47 and they are using road side bombs. The stringer missiles haven't been seen. Probably because the ammo for it is extremely hard to find and very expensive (remember America produces the missiles, smuggled it into Afghanistan and gave it to them for free).

Our involvement allowed the TALIBAN to take over, but we far from armed Al Qaeda or the Taliban for that matter.

 

[Truthmatters]

So? we helped him in the past. Did we know then he would become what he was?

no one said we did.

y'know lead paint chips aren't a snack food.

You must have ate a whole case of lead paint as a child.

telling the truth about our own policy to some is wrong.

Those people are doomed to repete the mistakes we have made in the past.

Its what makes their policy ideas so bad.

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Mujahideen in Afghanistan
Osama Bin Laden with Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir in 1997After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[58] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[59] From 1979 through 1989 under U.S. Presidents Carter and Reagan, the United States Central Intelligence Agency provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen through Operation Cyclone,[60] and the Reagan Doctrine. President Reagan often praised the Mujahideen as Afghanistan's "Freedom Fighters."

By 1984, with Azzam, bin Laden established Maktab al-Khadamat, which funneled money, arms and Muslim fighters from around the Arabic world into the Afghan war. Through al-Khadamat, bin Laden's inherited family fortune[61] paid for air tickets and accommodation, dealt with paperwork with Pakistani authorities and provided other such services for the jihad fighters. Osama established a camp in Afghanistan and with other volunteers fought the Soviets.

It was during his time in Peshawar that he began wearing camouflage-print jackets and carrying a captured Soviet assault rifle, which urban legends claimed he had obtained by killing a Russian soldier with his bare hands.[62]

what exactly is your point here?

 

[Truthmatters]

did we arm Osama in the early years of afganistan?

NO, we armed the Mujahedeen against the Soviets! He didn't run the Mujahedeen and came to the fighting in the tailend of the conflict. He wasn't a major player. The Mujahedeen didn't morph into Al Qaeda, they morphed into the Taliban. We armed the Taliban. We didn't give them guns, road side bombs, vehicles etc. What we gave them was stinger missiles to take out the Soviet aircraft. If you see the pictures and read the stories of how they are killing our troops. They carry soviet AK-47 and they are using road side bombs. The stringer missiles haven't been seen. Probably because the ammo for it is extremely hard to find and very expensive (remember America produces the missiles, smuggled it into Afghanistan and gave it to them for free).

Our involvement allowed the TALIBAN to take over, but we far from armed Al Qaeda or the Taliban for that matter.

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[58] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[59] From 1979 through 1989 under U.S. Presidents Carter and Reagan, the United States Central Intelligence Agency provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen through Operation Cyclone,[60] and the Reagan Doctrine. President Reagan often praised the Mujahideen as Afghanistan's "Freedom Fighters."

 

[R.D.]

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[58] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[59] From 1979 through 1989 under U.S. Presidents Carter and Reagan, the United States Central Intelligence Agency provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen through Operation Cyclone,[60] and the Reagan Doctrine. President Reagan often praised the Mujahideen as Afghanistan's "Freedom Fighters."

Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen

 

[L.K.Eder]

did we arm Osama in the early years of afganistan?

NO, we armed the Mujahedeen against the Soviets! He didn't run the Mujahedeen and came to the fighting in the tailend of the conflict. He wasn't a major player. The Mujahedeen didn't morph into Al Qaeda, they morphed into the Taliban. We armed the Taliban. We didn't give them guns, road side bombs, vehicles etc. What we gave them was stinger missiles to take out the Soviet aircraft. If you see the pictures and read the stories of how they are killing our troops. They carry soviet AK-47 and they are using road side bombs. The stringer missiles haven't been seen. Probably because the ammo for it is extremely hard to find and very expensive (remember America produces the missiles, smuggled it into Afghanistan and gave it to them for free).

Our involvement allowed the TALIBAN to take over, but we far from armed Al Qaeda or the Taliban for that matter.

Osama bin Laden

His influences include Sayyid Qutb, an anti-Western Egyptian writer who was executed by the Egyptian government in 1996; Abdullah Azzam, the ideological founder of al-Qaeda; and Ayman al-Zawahiri, his chief deputy after the Sept. 11 attacks.
In 1980, he left his lavish upbringing behind and opted for a life of warfare, first in Afghanistan, against the army of the Soviet Union.
He is thought to have taken part in at least one battle, but his primary role was in directing money, including some of his family fortune, and logistical support to the anti-Soviet fighters, both Afghan and Arab.
There is a frequent claim that the CIA directly funded bin Laden. Top CIA officers involved in the effort say, no, their support went directly to the Afghans, or to the Pakistanis. (The Pakistanis, in turn, supported bin Laden and the other foreign fighters in Afghanistan.)
In 1984 he and Azzam founded Maktab al-Khidamat, or the "Services Office," which funneled money and volunteers to the mujahideen. This organization can be thought of as the pre-cursor to al-Qaeda.
Once victory over the Soviet Union was secured, bin Laden, Azzam and their comrades conceived of a way to continue the jihad: al-Qaeda, the base, as in a military base. Azzam, however, was killed in a car bombing in 1989, leaving bin Laden the sole leader of the extremist movement, which was then based in Peshawar, Pakistan.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

no one said we did.

y'know lead paint chips aren't a snack food.

You must have ate a whole case of lead paint as a child.

refusing the real history for a politically correct form will lead to further failed policy

Incase you havent noticed we did arm OBL

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Mujahideen in Afghanistan
Osama Bin Laden with Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir in 1997After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[58] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[59] From 1979 through 1989 under U.S. Presidents Carter and Reagan, the United States Central Intelligence Agency provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen through Operation Cyclone,[60] and the Reagan Doctrine. President Reagan often praised the Mujahideen as Afghanistan's "Freedom Fighters."

By 1984, with Azzam, bin Laden established Maktab al-Khadamat, which funneled money, arms and Muslim fighters from around the Arabic world into the Afghan war. Through al-Khadamat, bin Laden's inherited family fortune[61] paid for air tickets and accommodation, dealt with paperwork with Pakistani authorities and provided other such services for the jihad fighters. Osama established a camp in Afghanistan and with other volunteers fought the Soviets.

It was during his time in Peshawar that he began wearing camouflage-print jackets and carrying a captured Soviet assault rifle, which urban legends claimed he had obtained by killing a Russian soldier with his bare hands.[62]

what exactly is your point here?

To show that you are blaming America for arming and training Bin Laden. But no one from that period of time could see into the future unless they had a crystal ball. Maybe obama is creating a new bin ladin in libya right now.

So? we helped him in the past. Did we know then he would become what he was?

no one said we did.

y'know lead paint chips aren't a snack food.

You must have ate a whole case of lead paint as a child.

refusing the real history for a politically correct form will lead to further failed policy

Incase you havent noticed we did arm OBL

telling the truth about our own policy to some is wrong.

Those people are doomed to repete the mistakes we have made in the past.

Its what makes their policy ideas so bad.

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Mujahideen in Afghanistan
Osama Bin Laden with Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir in 1997After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[58] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[59] From 1979 through 1989 under U.S. Presidents Carter and Reagan, the United States Central Intelligence Agency provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen through Operation Cyclone,[60] and the Reagan Doctrine. President Reagan often praised the Mujahideen as Afghanistan's "Freedom Fighters."

By 1984, with Azzam, bin Laden established Maktab al-Khadamat, which funneled money, arms and Muslim fighters from around the Arabic world into the Afghan war. Through al-Khadamat, bin Laden's inherited family fortune[61] paid for air tickets and accommodation, dealt with paperwork with Pakistani authorities and provided other such services for the jihad fighters. Osama established a camp in Afghanistan and with other volunteers fought the Soviets.

It was during his time in Peshawar that he began wearing camouflage-print jackets and carrying a captured Soviet assault rifle, which urban legends claimed he had obtained by killing a Russian soldier with his bare hands.[62]

 

[slukasiewski]

What does training OBL have to do with Michael Moore being nuts?

 

[Truthmatters]

To show that you are blaming America for arming and training Bin Laden. But no one from that period of time could see into the future unless they had a crystal ball. Maybe obama is creating a new bin ladin in libya right now.

Stating fact is not placing blame.

Why do you pretend it is?

 

[Truthmatters]

What does training OBL have to do with Michael Moore being nuts?

The OP said MM was nuts due to his twitter tweets.

In the tweets was repeted talk of US arming OBL in afganistan war.


So I asked the OP if we did.

 

[slukasiewski]

did we arm Osama in the early years of afganistan?

NO, we armed the Mujahedeen against the Soviets! He didn't run the Mujahedeen and came to the fighting in the tailend of the conflict. He wasn't a major player. The Mujahedeen didn't morph into Al Qaeda, they morphed into the Taliban. We armed the Taliban. We didn't give them guns, road side bombs, vehicles etc. What we gave them was stinger missiles to take out the Soviet aircraft. If you see the pictures and read the stories of how they are killing our troops. They carry soviet AK-47 and they are using road side bombs. The stringer missiles haven't been seen. Probably because the ammo for it is extremely hard to find and very expensive (remember America produces the missiles, smuggled it into Afghanistan and gave it to them for free).

Our involvement allowed the TALIBAN to take over, but we far from armed Al Qaeda or the Taliban for that matter.

Osama bin Laden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan[58] and lived for a time in Peshawar.[59] From 1979 through 1989 under U.S. Presidents Carter and Reagan, the United States Central Intelligence Agency provided overt and covert financial aid, arms and training to Osama's Islamic Jihad Mujahideen through Operation Cyclone,[60] and the Reagan Doctrine. President Reagan often praised the Mujahideen as Afghanistan's "Freedom Fighters."

Pssssst..... dumbfuck.

Mujahideen = Muslim fighter

OBL used to be one - defected to a terrorist organization.

Dumbed down good enough for ya?

Good. Now, do us all a favor and STFU.

Go learn the difference between and affiliate and a network too.

 

[slukasiewski]

What does training OBL have to do with Michael Moore being nuts?

The OP said MM was nuts due to his twitter tweets.

In the tweets was repeted talk of US arming OBL in afganistan war.


So I asked the OP if we did.

I am the OP, idiot.

Are you losing your mind?

 

[Truthmatters]

GlobalSecurity.org - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Your link is a biased link

 

[bigrebnc1775]

To show that you are blaming America for arming and training Bin Laden. But no one from that period of time could see into the future unless they had a crystal ball. Maybe obama is creating a new bin ladin in libya right now.

Stating fact is not placing blame.

Why do you pretend it is?

When you make a comment like

did we arm Osama in the early years of afganistan?

In context with Moores comment

"The monster we created-yes, WE-in the 1980s by ARMING, FUNDING, &TRAINING him in the art of terror agnst the USSR, finally had 2 b put down."

"Which reporter has the courage to say it? "American-armed terrorist from the 80s, Osama bin Laden, was killed earlier today by America." "

what exactly is your intent?

I'm not saying we did not help Bin Ladin in the past I'm just saying no one from that period of time would have known Bin Ladin would have become the person he was, and you're blaming those in the past for his actions 20 years later.

 

[Truthmatters]

What does training OBL have to do with Michael Moore being nuts?

The OP said MM was nuts due to his twitter tweets.

In the tweets was repeted talk of US arming OBL in afganistan war.


So I asked the OP if we did.

I am the OP, idiot.

Are you losing your mind?

Then why were you confused about the question?

 

[Truthmatters]

To show that you are blaming America for arming and training Bin Laden. But no one from that period of time could see into the future unless they had a crystal ball. Maybe obama is creating a new bin ladin in libya right now.

Stating fact is not placing blame.

Why do you pretend it is?

When you make a comment like

did we arm Osama in the early years of afganistan?

In context with Moores comment

"The monster we created-yes, WE-in the 1980s by ARMING, FUNDING, &TRAINING him in the art of terror agnst the USSR, finally had 2 b put down."

"Which reporter has the courage to say it? "American-armed terrorist from the 80s, Osama bin Laden, was killed earlier today by America." "

what exactly is your intent?

I'm not saying we did not help Bin Ladin in the past I'm just saying no one from that period of time would have known Bin Ladin would have become the person he was, and you're blaming those in the past for his actions 20 years later.

I think the question is pretty clear.

I was asking him if we did indeed arm OBL.

He seemed to think MM was crazy for thinking we did.

I was right and provided cold hard facts to the OP.

MM may not agree with you but he is not crazy for knowing history better than the OP