Mi, have to work 29 hours a week to get Medicaid.

I am awaiting the list of people who have died because they lacked health care coverage. I suppose you could twist people waiting for an organ donor and say they died because of lack of coverage, or maybe claim dead drug addicts died because of lack of coverage. Your own example of a 670,000 bill disproves your assertion.
My son in law spent 16 days in a hospital and died. The bill was $476,000. He had healthcare coverage which paid all but $7,000. My wife was in hospital last year 3 times for short stays, 3 to 7 days. The total for year was $127,000. The average Medicare hospital billing upon discharge in the state of Florida in 2011 was $536,000 and that was in 2011. It is certainly higher today.

A list of people that died because of lack of coverage?? You apparently know nothing about the problem. People have breaks in coverage. For example depending on the state, you can wait up to 9 weeks to get Medicaid coverage. If you have to buy insurance through the exchanges you may have to wait up 10 months because they don't open till Nov of each year. Even when you sign up for coverage there is usually a minimum of 30 days before coverage begins. When you get a diagnosis of cancer or a serious heart problem, you can't wait weeks and months for coverage. Even worse, tests needed for diagnosis can cost thousands of dollars and people without coverage often delay until they have the new job and healthcare coverage, or the exchange opens, or they qualify for Medicaid and then they find out they waited too long.

A new problem has popped up since Trump became president. He ordered the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to come up with new regulations on Obamacare that would lower premiums. Now, many policies are being sold that have yearly maximums as low as $250,000 plus insurance companies are being allowed to sell policies without coverage for expensive treatments of many serious problems. In effect, these policies are offering coverage at lower premiums that pay some routine healthcare costs but provide less when you really need it which is crazy. We buy health insurance to pay for healthcare cost we could never afford not low cost routine care.

Average Hospital Cost By State
Flop I am disappointed. According to your own chart the $536,000 you claim is the cost of average Medicare visit is rather the number of discharges in Florida. But if you thought about it instead of reflexively going back to talking points you would realize f just 1,000,000 people used Medicare in Florida the bill,would be 536,000,000,000. You have no figures, you just use anecdotals. You know people who have never smoked die of lung cancer, meaning you can always find one example to support your case. You got insurance. I got insurance, but I run into people everyday who paid nothing and get plenty of healthcare. Help is out there and as they like to say ignorance is no excuse for not having health care. By far, the largest group without health care are young healthy people. And Flop you assume people don’t care about other people and try to help them through direct donations or from go fund me sites, as I have done. I myself have postponed operations because of insurance problems. It happens.

And the way you play fast and loose with these numbers, if you really have had any contact with Medicare you should know better. I have BCBS supplemental insurance. They send me a monthly spreadsheet of any monthly bills. Recently I had a procedure where the anesthesiologist charged $2400 for her work. You know what Medicare paid? One tenth of that amount and the doctor accepted that. This happens all the time, so you can throw all,these big numbers around but they have no basis to Medicare reality.

Flop the reason I am disappointed in you is that you usually are more,substantial than this. You are repeating fiction and myth. Same as the guy who said republicans are killing women(interesting, if women are being killed by these terrible republicans wouldn’t men also be dying too? Oh I forgot, men are not important to the democratic narrative of special interest groups). Could healthcare be better, of course, couldn’t everything be better? Your insinuation that there is a sick silent majority out there in a state of perpetual illness because they don’t have health insurance is a fraud, just like most all democratic claims. Neither facts nor anecdotes support such propaganda for the vast majority of Americans.
You're absolutely right. I screwed up. I read the table wrong. Yes, I know there is a huge differences in what Medicare pays and what is billed. I quoted the figures billed by hospitals and not what insurance pays because what the hospital bills is what they will try to collect from you if you don't have insurance.

My son in laws bill of $476,000 was covered by his insurance except for $7,000 and the hospital wrote it off because he died and there was no estate otherwise they would have tried to collect it. A friend told me that when the hospitals sells your bill to a collection agency they will typically get about 5% to 10%. So it makes sense that the hospital might lower the bill down to this amount if payment is in cash. However, asking people who are uninsured to pay a reasonable amount of their bill will probably be well beyond their means.

I really believe most people have no idea just how expensive a hospital can be without insurance and dealing with bill collectors and bankruptcy has it's own unique set of problem.
 
The elites will end up paying their ER visits instead. Penny wise and pound foolish.

You do know that after Obamacare unpaid ER visits actually
increased right?

Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid, and many could not go to secondary ER's (urgents cares) with Medicaid. Also do you have a source for this?

HHS chief mostly correct that ER use is up since Obamacare

You can now expect them to go way up.
Please explain your statement, "Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid". The ACA, Affordable Care Act covered both Medicaid, group plans and individual insurance through exchanges as well employee plans.





A single person in MI would have to make over 16,643 to qualify for the ACA. This is for 2017, if under they use to go to healthy Mi and well still do. There are still many who do not take Medicaid, look at Price , he belonged to an org that refused Medicaid patients and even Medicare.

People have a hard time finding Medicaid doctors, and even some do not accept Medicare.


And this makes you wonder how hard would it to be to find a doctor if we went to single payer
That depends on the reimbursement rate. If's it's the same as Medicare, most people would have no problem finding a doctor. 87% of all US doctors take Medicare and 99% of the specialist do. If a doctor refuses to see Medicare and Medicaid patents, he's writing off 68% of the business.

If we had Medicare for All, within a few years, healthcare would no longer be a major issue. Like National Defense, public education, roads, law enforcement, national parks, etc. healthcare would be just another government expense. Yes, taxes would go up, but not as much as you might think. The payoff would be people would not be worried about their healthcare or how to pay for it. If one is to believe any of the studies that have been done in countries that have universal healthcare, people would be happier and healthier.

Right now the government is paying for over 68% of healthcare bills of the country but we are forgoing most of the advantages of universal healthcare. After years of reducing the uninsured, it is now started growing by 3 million a year. Today we have to support 40 huge insurance company and there overhead and profits and an unbelievable complex medical billing industry. We have the cost of the overhead of 50 state medicaid systems plus the federal system plus the overhead of 50 state healthcare agencies plus VA medical plus the Child Health Insurance Programs in 50 states And worst of all, we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and far from being the best.
 
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You do know that after Obamacare unpaid ER visits actually
increased right?

Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid, and many could not go to secondary ER's (urgents cares) with Medicaid. Also do you have a source for this?

HHS chief mostly correct that ER use is up since Obamacare

You can now expect them to go way up.
Please explain your statement, "Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid". The ACA, Affordable Care Act covered both Medicaid, group plans and individual insurance through exchanges as well employee plans.





A single person in MI would have to make over 16,643 to qualify for the ACA. This is for 2017, if under they use to go to healthy Mi and well still do. There are still many who do not take Medicaid, look at Price , he belonged to an org that refused Medicaid patients and even Medicare.

People have a hard time finding Medicaid doctors, and even some do not accept Medicare.


And this makes you wonder how hard would it to be to find a doctor if we went to single payer
That depends on the reimbursement rate. If's it's the same as Medicare, most people would have no problem finding a doctor. 87% of all US doctors take Medicare and 99% of the specialist do. If a doctor refuses to see Medicare and Medicaid patents, he's writing off 68% of the business.

If we had Medicare for All, within a few years, healthcare would no longer be a major issue. Like National Defense, public education, roads, law enforcement, national parks, etc. healthcare would be just another government expense. Yes, taxes would go up, but not as much as you might think. The payoff would be people would not be worried about their healthcare or how to pay for it. If one is to believe any of the studies that have been done in countries that have universal healthcare, people would be happier and healthier.

Right now the government is paying for over 68% of healthcare bills of the country but we are forgoing most of the advantages of universal healthcare. After years of reducing the uninsured, it is now started growing by 3 million a year. Today we have to support 40 huge insurance company and there overhead and profits and an unbelievable complex medical billing industry. We have the cost of the overhead of 50 state medicaid systems plus the federal system plus the overhead of 50 state healthcare agencies plus VA medical plus the Child Health Insurance Programs in 50 states And worst of all, we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and far from being the best.

Your math is way off.
The government does not pay all of the medical bills of people on Medicare. Not even close.
This is why they all buy supplemental.
Not that I want to wish it on you, but when the day comes you have a parent with a terminal disease that has to depend on medicare you will be singing a different tune. They are hell on earth to deal with. Awful and inhumane.
 
I predict if it wasn't for Medicare (the baby boom) and Medicaid, most hospitals would go bust. I know my husbands ins pays about the same as Medicare, percentage wise if he goes in network. In Mi hosps and nursing homes can put a lien on your home.


It will be a bad day when Medicare goes all private and no medigaps policies are offered anymore and they are working towards that. Medigaps rates are raising in MI. Take a look at Humana's copays and deducts.
 
I predict if it wasn't for Medicare (the baby boom) and Medicaid, most hospitals would go bust. I know my husbands ins pays about the same as Medicare, percentage wise if he goes in network. In Mi hosps and nursing homes can put a lien on your home.


It will be a bad day when Medicare goes all private and no medigaps policies are offered anymore and they are working towards that. Medigaps rates are raising in MI. Take a look at Humana's copays and deducts.

But but...government ran insurance is supposed to cure all !!??
Again, when the day comes and your parents get real sick, eventually terminal...and you see how bad Medicare treats the dying patient...you will be singing a different tune.
What my Mother had to go through dealing with the 10,000 layered bureaucratic bullshit with Medicare as her husband, my father, suffered and died from brain cancer is a shame on this nation.
It was deplorable.
Thank God for the - HEAR THIS - ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION??? - the PRIVATE owned hospice company that took over all of the paperwork and billing from her. They were fucking awesome. If it wasn't for them my Mother may well have lost her mind.
 
Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid, and many could not go to secondary ER's (urgents cares) with Medicaid. Also do you have a source for this?

HHS chief mostly correct that ER use is up since Obamacare

You can now expect them to go way up.
Please explain your statement, "Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid". The ACA, Affordable Care Act covered both Medicaid, group plans and individual insurance through exchanges as well employee plans.





A single person in MI would have to make over 16,643 to qualify for the ACA. This is for 2017, if under they use to go to healthy Mi and well still do. There are still many who do not take Medicaid, look at Price , he belonged to an org that refused Medicaid patients and even Medicare.

People have a hard time finding Medicaid doctors, and even some do not accept Medicare.


And this makes you wonder how hard would it to be to find a doctor if we went to single payer
That depends on the reimbursement rate. If's it's the same as Medicare, most people would have no problem finding a doctor. 87% of all US doctors take Medicare and 99% of the specialist do. If a doctor refuses to see Medicare and Medicaid patents, he's writing off 68% of the business.

If we had Medicare for All, within a few years, healthcare would no longer be a major issue. Like National Defense, public education, roads, law enforcement, national parks, etc. healthcare would be just another government expense. Yes, taxes would go up, but not as much as you might think. The payoff would be people would not be worried about their healthcare or how to pay for it. If one is to believe any of the studies that have been done in countries that have universal healthcare, people would be happier and healthier.

Right now the government is paying for over 68% of healthcare bills of the country but we are forgoing most of the advantages of universal healthcare. After years of reducing the uninsured, it is now started growing by 3 million a year. Today we have to support 40 huge insurance company and there overhead and profits and an unbelievable complex medical billing industry. We have the cost of the overhead of 50 state medicaid systems plus the federal system plus the overhead of 50 state healthcare agencies plus VA medical plus the Child Health Insurance Programs in 50 states And worst of all, we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and far from being the best.

Your math is way off.
The government does not pay all of the medical bills of people on Medicare. Not even close.
This is why they all buy supplemental.
Not that I want to wish it on you, but when the day comes you have a parent with a terminal disease that has to depend on medicare you will be singing a different tune. They are hell on earth to deal with. Awful and inhumane.
I have not found Medicare hard to deal with at all. In fact, it's been the best insurance I have ever had. Both my parents died with Medicare coverage. During their long illnesses, there was never a problem finding doctors, getting appointments, nor getting procedures approved where required. I have been in the hospital once with Medicare and never had any problem. My wife has been in the hospital 3 times in the last year and again we had no problem. We traveled in our RV for over year getting healthcare services all over the country with no problem.

To avoid paying deductibles we sprang for a Medicare supplement some years ago. Since then, we have paid nothing for hospital stays, and office visits. Our only real costs are drugs. We have inexpensive drug coverage and buy the most expensive drugs thru Canada. About the only problem we have every had has been with less traditional healthcare such as Naturopaths and Chiropractors.

I did not say that Medicare paid all the medical bills. I did say goverment pays 68% of the cost of healthcare. If you consider all goverment spending including healthcare related costs, it's even higher. That includes Medicare which has a coinsurance, Medicaid which is free, Children's Healthcare Programs which is free, and goverment sponsored health clinics which are mostly discounted based on income, VA Healthcare which is a combination of free and fee based services. In additional, the federal government offers income based subsidies to buy health insurance for lower and middle income families, medical tax credits and deductions, free medical care to active duty military personnel, partially subsidize care for various government personnel and families, etc.....

Government funds nearly two-thirds of U.S. health care costs: American Journal of Public Health study | Physicians for a National Health Program
 
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Just be careful with Medicare, that they admit you to the hospital, there can be problems if they just keep you for observation and in case you need rehab at a nursing home or rehab facility. I have read that hospitals are actually having wings just for observation. If they ever keep me overnight, I am going to insist I get admitted or then I'd be well enough to go home. Medicare is great, if one has an affordable medigap policy, but I fear they are becoming a thing of the past.
 
Just be careful with Medicare, that they admit you to the hospital, there can be problems if they just keep you for observation and in case you need rehab at a nursing home or rehab facility. I have read that hospitals are actually having wings just for observation. If they ever keep me overnight, I am going to insist I get admitted or then I'd be well enough to go home. Medicare is great, if one has an affordable medigap policy, but I fear they are becoming a thing of the past.

But why is there a need for a private supplement if it is so great?
So it is the supplemental insurance fault for not paying more of what Medicare doesn't pay at all?
 
Please explain your statement, "Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid". The ACA, Affordable Care Act covered both Medicaid, group plans and individual insurance through exchanges as well employee plans.





A single person in MI would have to make over 16,643 to qualify for the ACA. This is for 2017, if under they use to go to healthy Mi and well still do. There are still many who do not take Medicaid, look at Price , he belonged to an org that refused Medicaid patients and even Medicare.

People have a hard time finding Medicaid doctors, and even some do not accept Medicare.


And this makes you wonder how hard would it to be to find a doctor if we went to single payer
That depends on the reimbursement rate. If's it's the same as Medicare, most people would have no problem finding a doctor. 87% of all US doctors take Medicare and 99% of the specialist do. If a doctor refuses to see Medicare and Medicaid patents, he's writing off 68% of the business.

If we had Medicare for All, within a few years, healthcare would no longer be a major issue. Like National Defense, public education, roads, law enforcement, national parks, etc. healthcare would be just another government expense. Yes, taxes would go up, but not as much as you might think. The payoff would be people would not be worried about their healthcare or how to pay for it. If one is to believe any of the studies that have been done in countries that have universal healthcare, people would be happier and healthier.

Right now the government is paying for over 68% of healthcare bills of the country but we are forgoing most of the advantages of universal healthcare. After years of reducing the uninsured, it is now started growing by 3 million a year. Today we have to support 40 huge insurance company and there overhead and profits and an unbelievable complex medical billing industry. We have the cost of the overhead of 50 state medicaid systems plus the federal system plus the overhead of 50 state healthcare agencies plus VA medical plus the Child Health Insurance Programs in 50 states And worst of all, we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and far from being the best.

Your math is way off.
The government does not pay all of the medical bills of people on Medicare. Not even close.
This is why they all buy supplemental.
Not that I want to wish it on you, but when the day comes you have a parent with a terminal disease that has to depend on medicare you will be singing a different tune. They are hell on earth to deal with. Awful and inhumane.
I have not found Medicare hard to deal with at all. In fact, it's been the best insurance I have ever had. Both my parents died with Medicare coverage. During their long illnesses, there was never a problem finding doctors, getting appointments, nor getting procedures approved where required. I have been in the hospital once with Medicare and never had any problem. My wife has been in the hospital 3 times in the last year and again we had no problem. We traveled in our RV for over year getting healthcare services all over the country with no problem.

To avoid paying deductibles we sprang for a Medicare supplement some years ago. Since then, we have paid nothing for hospital stays, and office visits. Our only real costs are drugs. We have inexpensive drug coverage and buy the most expensive drugs thru Canada. About the only problem we have every had has been with less traditional healthcare such as Naturopaths and Chiropractors.

I did not say that Medicare paid all the medical bills. I did say goverment pays 68% of the cost of healthcare. If you consider all goverment spending including healthcare related costs, it's even higher. That includes Medicare which has a coinsurance, Medicaid which is free, Children's Healthcare Programs which is free, and goverment sponsored health clinics which are mostly discounted based on income, VA Healthcare which is a combination of free and fee based services. In additional, the federal government offers income based subsidies to buy health insurance for lower and middle income families, medical tax credits and deductions, free medical care to active duty military personnel, partially subsidize care for various government personnel and families, etc.....

Government funds nearly two-thirds of U.S. health care costs: American Journal of Public Health study | Physicians for a National Health Program


There is something terribly wrong with our health care spending.
 
Just be careful with Medicare, that they admit you to the hospital, there can be problems if they just keep you for observation and in case you need rehab at a nursing home or rehab facility. I have read that hospitals are actually having wings just for observation. If they ever keep me overnight, I am going to insist I get admitted or then I'd be well enough to go home. Medicare is great, if one has an affordable medigap policy, but I fear they are becoming a thing of the past.

But why is there a need for a private supplement if it is so great?
So it is the supplemental insurance fault for not paying more of what Medicare doesn't pay at all?

Like with my husbands ins and before I was on Medicare, you mainly pay 80/20 for everything, so the medigap pays the 20%. Or you can go on something like Humana, and then have copays and higher deducts. If you have lots of money or are healthy you do not need a supplement, its up to you.
 
Please explain your statement, "Not everyone was on the ACA, they were on Medicaid". The ACA, Affordable Care Act covered both Medicaid, group plans and individual insurance through exchanges as well employee plans.





A single person in MI would have to make over 16,643 to qualify for the ACA. This is for 2017, if under they use to go to healthy Mi and well still do. There are still many who do not take Medicaid, look at Price , he belonged to an org that refused Medicaid patients and even Medicare.

People have a hard time finding Medicaid doctors, and even some do not accept Medicare.


And this makes you wonder how hard would it to be to find a doctor if we went to single payer
That depends on the reimbursement rate. If's it's the same as Medicare, most people would have no problem finding a doctor. 87% of all US doctors take Medicare and 99% of the specialist do. If a doctor refuses to see Medicare and Medicaid patents, he's writing off 68% of the business.

If we had Medicare for All, within a few years, healthcare would no longer be a major issue. Like National Defense, public education, roads, law enforcement, national parks, etc. healthcare would be just another government expense. Yes, taxes would go up, but not as much as you might think. The payoff would be people would not be worried about their healthcare or how to pay for it. If one is to believe any of the studies that have been done in countries that have universal healthcare, people would be happier and healthier.

Right now the government is paying for over 68% of healthcare bills of the country but we are forgoing most of the advantages of universal healthcare. After years of reducing the uninsured, it is now started growing by 3 million a year. Today we have to support 40 huge insurance company and there overhead and profits and an unbelievable complex medical billing industry. We have the cost of the overhead of 50 state medicaid systems plus the federal system plus the overhead of 50 state healthcare agencies plus VA medical plus the Child Health Insurance Programs in 50 states And worst of all, we have the most expensive healthcare system in the world and far from being the best.

Your math is way off.
The government does not pay all of the medical bills of people on Medicare. Not even close.
This is why they all buy supplemental.
Not that I want to wish it on you, but when the day comes you have a parent with a terminal disease that has to depend on medicare you will be singing a different tune. They are hell on earth to deal with. Awful and inhumane.
I have not found Medicare hard to deal with at all. In fact, it's been the best insurance I have ever had. Both my parents died with Medicare coverage. During their long illnesses, there was never a problem finding doctors, getting appointments, nor getting procedures approved where required. I have been in the hospital once with Medicare and never had any problem. My wife has been in the hospital 3 times in the last year and again we had no problem. We traveled in our RV for over year getting healthcare services all over the country with no problem.

To avoid paying deductibles we sprang for a Medicare supplement some years ago. Since then, we have paid nothing for hospital stays, and office visits. Our only real costs are drugs. We have inexpensive drug coverage and buy the most expensive drugs thru Canada. About the only problem we have every had has been with less traditional healthcare such as Naturopaths and Chiropractors.

I did not say that Medicare paid all the medical bills. I did say goverment pays 68% of the cost of healthcare. If you consider all goverment spending including healthcare related costs, it's even higher. That includes Medicare which has a coinsurance, Medicaid which is free, Children's Healthcare Programs which is free, and goverment sponsored health clinics which are mostly discounted based on income, VA Healthcare which is a combination of free and fee based services. In additional, the federal government offers income based subsidies to buy health insurance for lower and middle income families, medical tax credits and deductions, free medical care to active duty military personnel, partially subsidize care for various government personnel and families, etc.....

Government funds nearly two-thirds of U.S. health care costs: American Journal of Public Health study | Physicians for a National Health Program


Oh blah blah blah.
Complaints about Medicare are as legendary as they are in occurrence.
I don't know a single person on Medicare that doesn't have problems obtaining $$.
It is always so ridiculous how the expand Medicare crowd always have such glowing experiences with Medicare that no one else does. Only them. According to them Medicare is the best healthcare coverage there is. Whatever.
You wanna lie, you're gonna lie.
 
Single payer will absolutely, 100% equal one of two things in America....one or the other..

1) Ever rising and exhaustively- prohibitive costs.
2) Declining care and longer waiting periods.

There will never be a middle ground. The "Sweet spot" will never be attained.
Medicares biggest problem is widespread fraud, misuse and constant over-billing.
You may say "well then that needs to stop!"...oh yeah? Exactly how do you do that for 326 million people?
Just how on earth could it be remotely possible to track the care for that many people by a bureaucratic organization?
Can you say Veteran hospitals?? Fantastic care right?
 
Just be careful with Medicare, that they admit you to the hospital, there can be problems if they just keep you for observation and in case you need rehab at a nursing home or rehab facility. I have read that hospitals are actually having wings just for observation. If they ever keep me overnight, I am going to insist I get admitted or then I'd be well enough to go home. Medicare is great, if one has an affordable medigap policy, but I fear they are becoming a thing of the past.
Yes, hospitals do have such sections but they're not for just observation. Nurses monitor your condition, heart rate, O2 level, temperature, blood pressure, etc. However, they also do common treatments such respiratory therapy and fluids for dehydration as well administering medication. The hospitals I'm familiar with do not have any sections for just observation. About the only difference between these areas and most other parts of the hospital is staffing. There are more patients per nurse.

There is essential no difference in treatment of people on Medicare and Medicaid than those who aren't. A doctor I know mentioned to me once, that everybody in the hospital is a medicare or a medicaid patient. Well, that's an exaggeration but not far from truth. Medicare and Medicaid patients occupy over 60% of the beds and are responsible for over 75% of the costs.

A medicare supplement (Medigap) plan is great for people that have a lot of medical expenses. Unfortunately, if you don't sign up for it when you first go on Medicare it can cost you a lot more later.

https://www.aha.org/system/files/2018-01/medicaremedicaidunderpmt 2017.pdf
 
Single payer will absolutely, 100% equal one of two things in America....one or the other..

1) Ever rising and exhaustively- prohibitive costs.
2) Declining care and longer waiting periods.

There will never be a middle ground. The "Sweet spot" will never be attained.
Medicares biggest problem is widespread fraud, misuse and constant over-billing.
You may say "well then that needs to stop!"...oh yeah? Exactly how do you do that for 326 million people?
Just how on earth could it be remotely possible to track the care for that many people by a bureaucratic organization?
Can you say Veteran hospitals?? Fantastic care right?
From the point of view of a beneficiary, I think Medicare with a supplement is the best insurance I have ever had, go to any doctor, any time without being burden with screwed up billing, copays, deductible, coinsurance, and referrals.
 
Single payer will absolutely, 100% equal one of two things in America....one or the other..

1) Ever rising and exhaustively- prohibitive costs.
2) Declining care and longer waiting periods.

There will never be a middle ground. The "Sweet spot" will never be attained.
Medicares biggest problem is widespread fraud, misuse and constant over-billing.
You may say "well then that needs to stop!"...oh yeah? Exactly how do you do that for 326 million people?
Just how on earth could it be remotely possible to track the care for that many people by a bureaucratic organization?
Can you say Veteran hospitals?? Fantastic care right?
From the point of view of a beneficiary, I think Medicare with a supplement is the best insurance I have ever had, go to any doctor, any time without being burden with screwed up billing, copays, deductible, coinsurance, and referrals.

Then you have little experience.
The best insurance/healthcare I ever had was at two times:
1) When I was a child, my father worked at GM and our insurance was 100% paid. No deductible.
2) During the late 80's until about the mid 90's with my own health insurance which was something like $250 /mo for my whole family...80%-20% TRUE 80% not the out-of-network or "beyond typical cost" that pretty much meant it was never 80%. And the deductible was $500.

Then our healthcare system went to shit.
 
Single payer will absolutely, 100% equal one of two things in America....one or the other..

1) Ever rising and exhaustively- prohibitive costs.
2) Declining care and longer waiting periods.

There will never be a middle ground. The "Sweet spot" will never be attained.
Medicares biggest problem is widespread fraud, misuse and constant over-billing.
You may say "well then that needs to stop!"...oh yeah? Exactly how do you do that for 326 million people?
Just how on earth could it be remotely possible to track the care for that many people by a bureaucratic organization?
Can you say Veteran hospitals?? Fantastic care right?
From the point of view of a beneficiary, I think Medicare with a supplement is the best insurance I have ever had, go to any doctor, any time without being burden with screwed up billing, copays, deductible, coinsurance, and referrals.

Then you have little experience.
The best insurance/healthcare I ever had was at two times:
1) When I was a child, my father worked at GM and our insurance was 100% paid. No deductible.
2) During the late 80's until about the mid 90's with my own health insurance which was something like $250 /mo for my whole family...80%-20% TRUE 80% not the out-of-network or "beyond typical cost" that pretty much meant it was never 80%. And the deductible was $500.

Then our healthcare system went to shit.
No, our healthcare didn't go to shit, it actually got a lot better. What got worse is the amount we paid and the method we paid.
 
Single payer will absolutely, 100% equal one of two things in America....one or the other..

1) Ever rising and exhaustively- prohibitive costs.
2) Declining care and longer waiting periods.

There will never be a middle ground. The "Sweet spot" will never be attained.
Medicares biggest problem is widespread fraud, misuse and constant over-billing.
You may say "well then that needs to stop!"...oh yeah? Exactly how do you do that for 326 million people?
Just how on earth could it be remotely possible to track the care for that many people by a bureaucratic organization?
Can you say Veteran hospitals?? Fantastic care right?
From the point of view of a beneficiary, I think Medicare with a supplement is the best insurance I have ever had, go to any doctor, any time without being burden with screwed up billing, copays, deductible, coinsurance, and referrals.

Then you have little experience.
The best insurance/healthcare I ever had was at two times:
1) When I was a child, my father worked at GM and our insurance was 100% paid. No deductible.
2) During the late 80's until about the mid 90's with my own health insurance which was something like $250 /mo for my whole family...80%-20% TRUE 80% not the out-of-network or "beyond typical cost" that pretty much meant it was never 80%. And the deductible was $500.

Then our healthcare system went to shit.
You provide an excellent example of why things went to shit.
 
Single payer will absolutely, 100% equal one of two things in America....one or the other..

1) Ever rising and exhaustively- prohibitive costs.
2) Declining care and longer waiting periods.

There will never be a middle ground. The "Sweet spot" will never be attained.
Medicares biggest problem is widespread fraud, misuse and constant over-billing.
You may say "well then that needs to stop!"...oh yeah? Exactly how do you do that for 326 million people?
Just how on earth could it be remotely possible to track the care for that many people by a bureaucratic organization?
Can you say Veteran hospitals?? Fantastic care right?
From the point of view of a beneficiary, I think Medicare with a supplement is the best insurance I have ever had, go to any doctor, any time without being burden with screwed up billing, copays, deductible, coinsurance, and referrals.

Then you have little experience.
The best insurance/healthcare I ever had was at two times:
1) When I was a child, my father worked at GM and our insurance was 100% paid. No deductible.
2) During the late 80's until about the mid 90's with my own health insurance which was something like $250 /mo for my whole family...80%-20% TRUE 80% not the out-of-network or "beyond typical cost" that pretty much meant it was never 80%. And the deductible was $500.

Then our healthcare system went to shit.
No, our healthcare didn't go to shit, it actually got a lot better. What got worse is the amount we paid and the method we paid.

I should have said health insurance not healthcare.
Healthcare has improved, and the cost of healthcare, at a per care basis, has gone DOWN. Yet health insurance premiums and deductibles continue to rise.
 
Single payer will absolutely, 100% equal one of two things in America....one or the other..

1) Ever rising and exhaustively- prohibitive costs.
2) Declining care and longer waiting periods.

There will never be a middle ground. The "Sweet spot" will never be attained.
Medicares biggest problem is widespread fraud, misuse and constant over-billing.
You may say "well then that needs to stop!"...oh yeah? Exactly how do you do that for 326 million people?
Just how on earth could it be remotely possible to track the care for that many people by a bureaucratic organization?
Can you say Veteran hospitals?? Fantastic care right?
From the point of view of a beneficiary, I think Medicare with a supplement is the best insurance I have ever had, go to any doctor, any time without being burden with screwed up billing, copays, deductible, coinsurance, and referrals.

Then you have little experience.
The best insurance/healthcare I ever had was at two times:
1) When I was a child, my father worked at GM and our insurance was 100% paid. No deductible.
2) During the late 80's until about the mid 90's with my own health insurance which was something like $250 /mo for my whole family...80%-20% TRUE 80% not the out-of-network or "beyond typical cost" that pretty much meant it was never 80%. And the deductible was $500.

Then our healthcare system went to shit.
No, our healthcare didn't go to shit, it actually got a lot better. What got worse is the amount we paid and the method we paid.

I should have said health insurance not healthcare.
Healthcare has improved, and the cost of healthcare, at a per care basis, has gone DOWN. Yet health insurance premiums and deductibles continue to rise.
Not sure what mean by per care basis but the cost of healthcare in the US in 1985 that is, the amount received by healthcare providers in today's dollars was $866 billion. Today that figure has increased to 3337 billion, an increase of 385%.

The number insured in 1985 increased from 240 million to 301 million in 2016, a 25% increase. The number on Medicare increased 95%. The number on Medicaid increased by 375%.

In addition to the number covered, people are using more healthcare today than ever before. For example, there 6,000 transplants in 1985. In 2017, there were over 30,000. The average American sees a doctor twice as often as in 1980.

However, the big cost does have some offset. Childhood cancer survival rates are up 58% since 1975 and overall cancer survival rates are up 23% in the last 21 years. Chances of dying of a heart disease are down 48% since 1990. Americans will have to decide whether big increase in cost of healthcare are worth it. I think in the end, most American will be willing to pay more for better healthcare.
 

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