MGEN Scales: Army Is Broken

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    Looks like the Kool-Aid folks in D.C. have been drinking is not as strong as it once was even 6 months ago:

    Here's MGEN Scales just last year:

    http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060501-100012-6202r.htm

    His basic message; the ret. generals don't know what they're talking about, we're winning :eusa_clap:

    Now, he says the Army is broken:

    http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20070329-084334-9363r.htm
    :wtf:

    Considering the similar about face from another Kool-Aid drinker, Gen. Barry McCaffrey, one must ask are we reaching the point where all the rats start jumping off the sinking ship except the most insa... i mean dedicated?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701923.html

    I mention all this because it returns to a basic truth I've painfully learned to understand since I read paleocon veteran Andrew Bacevich's "The New American Militarism".

    He mentions how Bill Clinton politicized the officer corps more than anyone else, and how it has gotten even worse under this president. Under Clinton, officers like Wes Clark were permitted to run amok, and he, most prominently of all, got to fight his own war where he waged political warfare against his fellow 4 stars (who responded in kind) and appealed to Clinton himself to get it done. Colin Powell all but committed mutiny in making all types of threats related to avoiding intervening in Bosnia and preventing gays from openly serving in the military. So on and so forth.

    Now under Bush, like stink on feces, all these generals and admirals flocked to the allure of power and prestige even though many of them in their hearts knew that the war planning (now run by Rumsfeld and co., not the generals) was faulty and dangerous. They bowed their heads, lied to the American people and Congress repeatedly ("We're winning, they've been saying for 4 years now"). None of them die or suffer horrific injury, very few of them even face career penalties for their failures. They couldn't even take care of their own troops they were responsible for (Walter Reed, the sickening decay of conditions for outpatient soldiers and others in bases across the country). Now that they begin to finally see the endgame of Iraqi civil war, Iranian sabotage, Pakistani double-dealing and the futility of fighting a war on drugs while trying to win the "hearts and minds" of Afghans who have no other cash crop but opium (all without enough troops and training), they're jumping ship.

    Cowards. Traitors. Incompetent, dishonest buffoons. The whole of them.

    A last note... this is what we have bought ourselves here.....Is this how troops should be trained in the 21st Century?

     
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    Longer deployments?
     
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    Did you get the latest message by General Batiste?


    He doesn't give the pResidents plan much hope.
     
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    Just in time...? Just in time for what? To die or be maimed as a salve to Bush's ego?
     
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    Now Cons are going to have to turn on the spin and find a way to slander another formerly praised veteran.

    Just watch. It shouldn't take them long.
     
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    Funny, one really could argue he was one of the architechs of it:

    http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/008574.html

     
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    3 years too late, and 10's of thousands of men short still....to do the job properly or according to the general's previous requests and recommendations.
     
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    Even so, one could also argue that after seeing how the war was prosecuted by the civilians, the generals said... enough is enough and quit their jobs just so they could tell the american people what is really going on.

    Giving your druthers before going to war, would you want to have the planners be civilians with no military experience or generals that had spent their entire life in service to our country?

    I prefer the latter.
     
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    but but but C4A... bush says he listens to the generals... and he probably does... he just doesn't heed their advice... he heeds the advice of his civilian advisors, instead...

    real smart...
     
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    Nah...Bush's already told us he "listens to the voices". He just neglected to tell they were the voices in his head.
     

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