Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

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Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Source: CNBC

Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

Holly Ellyatt | Hadley Gamble
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U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump might want to build a wall across the country's southern border to keep Mexican migrants out but don't expect Mexico to pay for it, the former Mexican president told CNBC, calling the billionaire a "not very well-informed man."

The Presidential hopeful shocked viewers in October by insisting that, if elected, he would build a wall the Mexican border and what's more, Mexico would pay for it. But Felipe Calderon, the former president of Mexico between 2006 and 2012, told CNBC on Saturday that there was no way that Mexico would pay for such a device.

"Mexican people, we are not going to pay any single cent for such a stupid wall! And it's going to be completely useless," Calderon said.

"The first loser of such a policy would be the United States," he added. "If this guy pretends that closing the borders to anywhere either for trade (or) for people is going to provide prosperity to the United States, he is completely crazy."

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It is highly doubtful that Mexico will pay anything.

Does anyone believe anything anyone in Mexico says????
Lol

I think you can reasonably believe that they have no intention of paying for Trump's wall.

 

[Correll]

One of Trump's goofy promises. Mexico has zero reason to pay for it and plenty of reason not to.

We'll take their desperate and unemployed.
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I think we should do what Ethiopia did in the 90s......just mine the border.
Oh, and these illegals would self-deport if you give them a good enough reason. Like refuse to allow them to work......or ship any repeat offenders off to Cuba.

Seems to me the best way to incentivize illegals to self-deport would be to make it so that Mexico isn't such a shit hole from which people want to escape.

There has to be something that can be done to (a) militarily wipe out the cartels and (b) move some American capital and industry from overseas to Mexico.

Wishful thinking, I suspect. But I do wonder why this is never discussed.
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Mexico is a Third World Shithole and it has a land border with a FIrst World Nation.

And US fixing their problems is NOT what they want.

That would involve them doing what we tell them to do, not what they want to do.

And who is to say that we would really to that much better, looking at recent events?

That is why that is rarely discussed.

 

[Correll]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

 

[Correll]

One of Trump's goofy promises. Mexico has zero reason to pay for it and plenty of reason not to.

We'll take their desperate and unemployed.
.

I think we should do what Ethiopia did in the 90s......just mine the border.
Oh, and these illegals would self-deport if you give them a good enough reason. Like refuse to allow them to work......or ship any repeat offenders off to Cuba.

Seems to me the best way to incentivize illegals to self-deport would be to make it so that Mexico isn't such a shit hole from which people want to escape.

There has to be something that can be done to (a) militarily wipe out the cartels and (b) move some American capital and industry from overseas to Mexico.

Wishful thinking, I suspect. But I do wonder why this is never discussed.
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If we can't fix Iraq or Afghanistan how we gonna fix mexico?

I don't think the two situations are comparable at all.

If we don't want to do it, great, we can continue with this mess.
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Or we could take steps to protect and advance our interests.

 

[alpine]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

 

[buckeye45_73]

Let's face facts, people who take Trump seriously are losers and Trump wins by taking advantage of them. The guy has learned to walk away with millions while his investors who put their trust in him take the hit. That's his Modus operandi.

proof? and mother jones articles don't count. I don't know if he can do it, but atleast he's talking about it. About fucking time. And if he does build the wall, then Mexico will pay, why? They have no choice and leverage. What are they going to do? Stop sending people to us? damn, that's a shame.

 

[mudwhistle]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

Actually, we bought it.
What land did the United States buy in 1853? You're one of those dickwads that thinks America stole everything from somebody else. We are just the current occupant. If we gave Mexico back the land we purchased from them, Mexico would just be an even bigger shithole. They wouldn't use the new land effectively.

 

[Correll]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

The Mexican American WAR ended in 1848, over One Hundred and Fifty Years ago.

It is completely reasonable for 21st century America to hold 21st Mexico responsible for their vastly more recent behavior.

Bringing up a war between the US and Mexico makes it seem like you think that Mexico is our enemy.

Is that what you are saying?

Because if I ask someone who is being an ass to me, why they are giving me a hard time, and they tell me they are holding me responsible for something one of my ancestors did 5 or 6 generations ago,

We've got a problem.

 

[alpine]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

Actually, we bought it.

You're one of those dickwads that thinks America stole everything from somebody else. We are just the current occupant. If we gave Mexico back the land we purchased from them, Mexico would just be an even bigger shithole. They wouldn't use the new land effectively.

He says he BOUGHT it

Mexicans have every right to be in the US if you ask me.
Because you owe them big time....

 

[Correll]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

Actually, we bought it.

You're one of those dickwads that thinks America stole everything from somebody else. We are just the current occupant. If we gave Mexico back the land we purchased from them, Mexico would just be an even bigger shithole. They wouldn't use the new land effectively.

He says he BOUGHT it

Mexicans have every right to be in the US if you ask me.
Because you owe them big time....

We owe them nothing.

 

[mudwhistle]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

Actually, we bought it.

You're one of those dickwads that thinks America stole everything from somebody else. We are just the current occupant. If we gave Mexico back the land we purchased from them, Mexico would just be an even bigger shithole. They wouldn't use the new land effectively.

He says he BOUGHT it

Mexicans have every right to be in the US if you ask me.
Because you owe them big time....

That's your opinion......and opinions are like assholes......everyone has one.

Best Answer​

Gadsden Purchase, 1853-1854

The Gadsden Purchase, or Treaty, was an agreement between the United States and Mexico, finalized in 1854, in which the United States agreed to pay Mexico $10 million for a 29,670 square mile portion of Mexico that later became part of Arizona and New Mexico. Gadsden's Purchase provided the land necessary for a southern transcontinental railroad and attempted to resolve conflicts that lingered after the Mexican-American War.
While the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo formally ended the Mexican-American War in February 1848, tensions between the Governments of Mexico and the United States continued to simmer over the next six years. The two countries each claimed the Mesilla Valley as part of their own country. The Mexican Government demanded monetary compensation for Native American attacks in the region because, under the Treaty, the United States had agreed to protect Mexico from such attacks; however, the United States refused to comply, insisting that while they had agreed to protect Mexico from Native American attacks, they had not agreed to financially compensate for attacks that did occur. The persistent efforts of private American citizens to enter Mexico illegally and incite rebellions in an effort to gain territory exacerbated tensions between the governments.

These continuing tensions between Mexico and the United States complicated U.S. efforts to find a southern route for a transcontinental railroad as the only viable routes passed through Mexican territory. In 1847, the United States attempted to buy the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, an isthmus on the southern edge of North America, as an alternative means of providing a southern connection between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. Mexico, however, had already granted Mexican Don José de Garay the right to build colonies for Americans on the isthmus with capital from the New Orleans Company. Fearing the colonists would rebel as those in Texas had, Mexican President Juan Ceballos revoked the grant, angering U.S. investors.

In 1853, Mexican officials evicted Americans from their property in the disputed Mesilla Valley. When the U.S. Government did not act, Governor William Lane of New Mexico declared the Mesilla Valley part of the U.S. territory of New Mexico. Mexican President Antonio de Santa Anna responded by sending troops into the valley. Attempting to diffuse the situation, U.S. President Franklin Pierce sent James Gadsden, the new U.S. Minister to Mexico, to negotiate with Santa Anna. Secretary of State William Marcy instructed Gadsden to renegotiate a border that provided a route for a southern railroad, arrange for a release of U.S. financial obligations for Native American attacks, and settle the monetary claims between the countries related to the Garay project.

Gadsden met with Santa Anna on September 25, 1853. President Pierce sent verbal instructions for Gadsden through Christopher Ward, an agent for U.S. investors in the Garay project, giving Gadsden negotiating options ranging from $50 million for lower California and a large portion of northern Mexico to $15 million for a smaller land deal that would still provide for a southern railroad. Ward also lied to Gadsden, stating the President wanted the claims of the Garay party addressed in any treaty concluded with the Mexican Government; however, President Pierce never gave Ward these instructions because he did not believe in government involvement in affairs between private companies and foreign governments. Santa Anna refused to sell a large portion of Mexico, but he needed money to fund an army to put down ongoing rebellions, so on December 30, 1953 he and Gadsden signed a treaty stipulating that the United States would pay $15 million for 45,000 square miles south of the New Mexico territory and assume private American claims, including those related to the Garay deal. The United States Government agreed to work toward preventing American raids along Mexico's border and Mexico voided U.S. responsibility for Native American attacks. What land did the United States buy in 1853?

 

[alpine]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

The Mexican American WAR ended in 1848, over One Hundred and Fifty Years ago.

It is completely reasonable for 21st century America to hold 21st Mexico responsible for their vastly more recent behavior.

Bringing up a war between the US and Mexico makes it seem like you think that Mexico is our enemy.

Is that what you are saying?

Because if I ask someone who is being an ass to me, why they are giving me a hard time, and they tell me they are holding me responsible for something one of my ancestors did 5 or 6 generations ago,

We've got a problem.

No, I understand history is history.

But you gotta understand; to treat people this way, who your ancestors already wronged in the past, is not a fair play.

And people don't like unfair human beings...

I didn't make this rule, it is the law of the nature. Even chimps don't like unfair chimps....

 

[alpine]

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

Actually, we bought it.

You're one of those dickwads that thinks America stole everything from somebody else. We are just the current occupant. If we gave Mexico back the land we purchased from them, Mexico would just be an even bigger shithole. They wouldn't use the new land effectively.

He says he BOUGHT it

Mexicans have every right to be in the US if you ask me.
Because you owe them big time....

We owe them nothing.

Oh yes, you owe them BIG, because you fucked them over BIG...

 

[alpine]

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

Actually, we bought it.

You're one of those dickwads that thinks America stole everything from somebody else. We are just the current occupant. If we gave Mexico back the land we purchased from them, Mexico would just be an even bigger shithole. They wouldn't use the new land effectively.

He says he BOUGHT it

Mexicans have every right to be in the US if you ask me.
Because you owe them big time....

That's your opinion......and opinions are like assholes......everyone has one.

This is the 10th time I hear this on this forum...
You people are like clones, sometimes I lose track of which asshole is which asshole......

 

[Rustic]

We have open borders now, how can it get any Worse??

 

[sealybobo]

Let's face facts, people who take Trump seriously are losers and Trump wins by taking advantage of them. The guy has learned to walk away with millions while his investors who put their trust in him take the hit. That's his Modus operandi.

And middle class Republicans want to put a billionaire like trump in the white house because he talks a good game.
I don't blame them though. We all know Hillary and the GOP aren't going to fix what is wrong with America.

The only one I trust will actually try is Bernie. When Trump is gone his supporters better go to Bernie and not Kasich.

 

[mudwhistle]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

The Mexican American WAR ended in 1848, over One Hundred and Fifty Years ago.

It is completely reasonable for 21st century America to hold 21st Mexico responsible for their vastly more recent behavior.

Bringing up a war between the US and Mexico makes it seem like you think that Mexico is our enemy.

Is that what you are saying?

Because if I ask someone who is being an ass to me, why they are giving me a hard time, and they tell me they are holding me responsible for something one of my ancestors did 5 or 6 generations ago,

We've got a problem.

No, I understand history is history.

But you gotta understand; to treat people this way, who your ancestors already wronged in the past, is not a fair play.

And people don't like unfair human beings...

I didn't make this rule, it is the law of the nature. Even chimps don't like unfair chimps....

Actually, Mexicans are taking advantage of the US. They break our laws, steal our wealth, and many of them hate our guts. Try traveling in Mexico and see how Mexicans regard Americans.

 

[xotoxi]

Mexico 'won't pay single cent for Trump's stupid wall'

wanna bet?
Mexico gets $757.7 million in foreign aid, we can just take the cost of that wall from that waste of money going south.

$0.01 being sent to any country for foreign aid is $0.01 too much.

 

[sealybobo]

We have open borders now, how can it get any Worse??

We didn't have a problem with open borders until companies started hiring illegals to do jobs Americans would do, year round.

We never minded when they came to pick fruit and left at the end of the summer. It's when they stayed and got jobs at the Marriott and at Tyson Chicken. This started on Reagan's watch.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

And it looks like Clinton was doing his job but GW Bush stopped.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

 

[Correll]

They won't have any choice.

Mexico has been stealing from us for decades.

Hmm, was that before you have stolen the whole west side of the country from Mexico, or after?

Well after. What is your point?

Well, accusing Mexico for stealing from the US, when the US has stolen the half of their country, is a little,..... hmm, whats the word I am looking for here.....

The Mexican American WAR ended in 1848, over One Hundred and Fifty Years ago.

It is completely reasonable for 21st century America to hold 21st Mexico responsible for their vastly more recent behavior.

Bringing up a war between the US and Mexico makes it seem like you think that Mexico is our enemy.

Is that what you are saying?

Because if I ask someone who is being an ass to me, why they are giving me a hard time, and they tell me they are holding me responsible for something one of my ancestors did 5 or 6 generations ago,

We've got a problem.

No, I understand history is history.

But you gotta understand; to treat people this way, who your ancestors already wronged in the past, is not a fair play.

And people don't like unfair human beings...

I didn't make this rule, it is the law of the nature. Even chimps don't like unfair chimps....

SO you are holding me responsible for the actions of my possible ancestors 5 or 6 generations ago.

That's morally and legally and ethically indefensible.

It is not the US that is being "unfair" here. It is the fucking Mexicans.

BTW, by the process of holding me personally responsible for actions from a war over 150 years ago, you are rejecting the very concept of Peace, for there can be no peace if every injustice is never considered past.


You are making a fine argument for Mudwhistle's land mines.