Mexican Cartels found with 20,499 US made guns

[BolshevikHunter]

The American Public, as well as the family of the murdered border agent, deserve to know who authorized American guns to be sold to known Mexican Drug cartels.

If Holder knew, he should be forced out of office.

If Obama knew....

He should go as well. One of those guns most likely killed that American on the waverunner who's wife got away. ~BH

 

[boedicca]

The people in the low gun ownership states must find other methods of committing suicide.

once again, thanks for adding absolutely nothing to this conversation.

You are an utter moron. The stats you provided are for all firearm related deaths, which includes suicides.

If someone wishes to kill himself, he'll find a way. The relevant stats are murder rates overall (again, if somebody wishes to kill someone else, he will find a way), and crimes prevented. Of course, a nattering nabob of nonsense such as yourself will continue to claim that guns cause crime. They don't. People cause crime.

 

[AllieBaba]

You mean Criminals don't follow the law??!!? whads up wid dat?

so we should make it easier to get guns the right? cause then we can all shoot each other

Is that what you think?

Drunk drivers never get behind the wheel either .....err wait

So let's make it impossible for everybody else to get a license!

Er..wait....

 

[Skynet]

The people in the low gun ownership states must find other methods of committing suicide.

once again, thanks for adding absolutely nothing to this conversation.

You are an utter moron. The stats you provided are for all firearm related deaths, which includes suicides.

If someone wishes to kill himself, he'll find a way. The relevant stats are murder rates overall (again, if somebody wishes to kill someone else, he will find a way), and crimes prevented. Of course, a nattering nabob of nonsense such as yourself will continue to claim that guns cause crime. They don't. People cause crime.

and what do people use to commit crimes retard? GUNS! and when it is easy to get guns, they use them! someone of below average intelligence would understand that, but time and time again all youve shown is that you like to spout of talking points, without ever adding anything of substance to the conversation.

the article i posted from says nothing about suicide rates or suicide deaths, it simply says "GUN DEATHS." and those state with lax gun control laws have higher rates of death by gun. i didnt think that was too hard to understand. but apparently you can read or comprehend simple english sentences. so just neg rep me again and be on your way. fucking dumbass.

 

[AllieBaba]

Okay, are you done with that ?

Good.

Now here is the bottom line.

Gun Control doesn't work...never has.

Gun laws only penalize law abiding citizens, criminals by definition don't obey the law.

There are more guns in the U.S. than ever before, thanks in no small part to President Obama...and yet violent crime is still at all time lows.

Obama did the NRA a huge favor...he singlehandedly proved beyond any doubt that more guns equals less crime during the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Now, you tell me, why should we impose gun control.

gun control do in fact work.

States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

VPC - Press Release - (05/06/2009) - States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
1 Louisiana 45.6 percent 19.58
2 Alabama 57.2 percent 16.99
3 Alaska 60.6 percent 16.38
3 Mississippi 54.3 percent 16.38
5 Nevada 31.5 percent 16.25

States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates

Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
50 Hawaii 9.7 percent 2.58
49 Massachusetts 12.8 percent 3.28
48 Rhode Island 13.3 percent 4.43
47 Connecticut 16.2 percent 4.95
46 New York 18.1 percent 5.20

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "More guns means more gun death and injury. Fewer guns means less gun death and injury. It's a simple equation."

The VPC defined states with "weak" gun laws as those that add little or nothing to federal restrictions and have permissive concealed carry laws allowing civilians to carry concealed handguns. States with "strong" gun laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation in addition to federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and have restrictive concealed carry laws.

I have never heard of the VPC until this moment and would like to say...

What a crap source...not well researched, no real information or explanation for the stats.

 

[BolshevikHunter]

With this out of control corrupt Government, only a mentally deranged, red diaper doper baby lunatic would hand over even more power to those bottomfeeders. ~BH

" The Beauty Of The 2nd Amendment Is That It Will Not Be Needed Until They Try To Take It." ~Thomas Jefferson

 

[Skynet]

so we should make it easier to get guns the right? cause then we can all shoot each other

Is that what you think?

Drunk drivers never get behind the wheel either .....err wait

So let's make it impossible for everybody else to get a license!

Er..wait....

but oh wait, you have to take a test and get finger printed to get a license right? and thats controlled by the government right??? and if you drive drunk you get your license taken away.....

then when i wanna buy a gun i have to do that same thing right???.... errr i mean i just go to a gun show and buy one for cash off a private seller without a background check or fingerprinting.... oops there goes that argument....

and who said we should make it impossible? thanks making things up again. gun control does not equal gun elimination. i think they taught reading comprehension in grade school if you got that far.

 

[Skynet]

Okay, are you done with that ?

Good.

Now here is the bottom line.

Gun Control doesn't work...never has.

Gun laws only penalize law abiding citizens, criminals by definition don't obey the law.

There are more guns in the U.S. than ever before, thanks in no small part to President Obama...and yet violent crime is still at all time lows.

Obama did the NRA a huge favor...he singlehandedly proved beyond any doubt that more guns equals less crime during the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Now, you tell me, why should we impose gun control.

gun control do in fact work.

States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

VPC - Press Release - (05/06/2009) - States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
1 Louisiana 45.6 percent 19.58
2 Alabama 57.2 percent 16.99
3 Alaska 60.6 percent 16.38
3 Mississippi 54.3 percent 16.38
5 Nevada 31.5 percent 16.25

States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates

Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
50 Hawaii 9.7 percent 2.58
49 Massachusetts 12.8 percent 3.28
48 Rhode Island 13.3 percent 4.43
47 Connecticut 16.2 percent 4.95
46 New York 18.1 percent 5.20

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "More guns means more gun death and injury. Fewer guns means less gun death and injury. It's a simple equation."

The VPC defined states with "weak" gun laws as those that add little or nothing to federal restrictions and have permissive concealed carry laws allowing civilians to carry concealed handguns. States with "strong" gun laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation in addition to federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and have restrictive concealed carry laws.

I have never heard of the VPC until this moment and would like to say...

What a crap source...not well researched, no real information or explanation for the stats.

About the Violence Policy Center

Each year, more than 30,000 Americans die in gun suicides, homicides, and unintentional shootings as a result of the ready availability, and accessibility, of specific classes of firearms. Gun violence is more than a crime issue; it is a broad-based public health crisis of which crime is merely the most recognized aspect.

The Violence Policy Center (VPC), a national tax-exempt 501(c)(3) non-profit organization based in Washington, DC, works to stop this annual toll of death and injury through research, advocacy, education, and collaboration. Firearms are the only consumer product not regulated by a federal agency for health and safety. This unique exemption has been exploited by the gun industry as it has moved to embrace increased lethality as the foundation of its design, manufacturing, and marketing efforts in the wake of the long-term decline in household gun ownership. The VPC believes that the answer to reducing gun violence lies in applying the decades-long lessons of consumer product safety regulation and injury prevention to the gun industry and its products. This approach is detailed in our landmark 1994 publication Cease Fire: A Comprehensive Strategy to Reduce Firearms Violence.

The VPC has a long and proven record of policy successes on the federal, state, and local levels, leading the National Rifle Association to acknowledge us as "the most effective...anti-gun rabble rouser in Washington.


reading is hard for you isnt it?

 

[AllieBaba]

"
After the 1997 shooting of 16 kids in Dunblane, England, the United Kingdom passed one of the strictest gun-control laws in the world, banning its citizens from owning almost all types of handguns. Britain seemed to get safer by the minute, as 162,000 newly-illegal firearms were forked over to British officials by law-abiding citizens.
But this didn't decrease the amount of gun-related crime in the U.K. In fact, gun-related crime has nearly doubled in the U.K. since the ban was enacted.
Might stricter gun laws result in more gun crime? It seems counterintuitive but makes sense if we consider one simple fact: Criminals don't obey the law. Strict gun laws, like the ban in Britain, probably only affect the actions of people who wouldn't commit crimes in the first place.
England's ban didn't magically cause all British handguns to disappear. Officials estimate that more than 250,000 illegal weapons are still in circulation in the country. Without the fear of retaliation from victims who might be packing heat, criminals in possession of these weapons now have a much easier job, and the incidence of gun-related crime has risen. As the saying goes, "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

The Gun Control Myth? Watch Video

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It's true that if gun control laws had been stricter in Virginia, Seung-Hui Cho would have had a more difficult time getting ahold of the weapons he used to gun down innocent students and teachers. But it's foolish to assume that stricter gun laws will prevent maniacs like Cho from committing heinous crimes. A deranged criminal will find a way to get his hands on a gun. Or a bomb.
The sad truth is that if gun laws had been less strict in Virginia, there is a possibility that the tragedy at Virginia Tech could have claimed fewer lives.
In January 2006, a bill was proposed in the Virginia State Assembly that would have forced Virginia Tech to change its current policy and allow students and faculty members to legally carry weapons on campus. Teenage college students carrying guns makes me nervous, but shouldn't adults be able to decide if they want to arm themselves -- just in case? When the bill was defeated, a Virginia Tech spokesman cheered the action, saying, "This will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."
However, one gun rights advocate lamented the bill's failure with chilling accuracy: "You never know when evil will pop up."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3083618&page=1

 

[boedicca]

once again, thanks for adding absolutely nothing to this conversation.

You are an utter moron. The stats you provided are for all firearm related deaths, which includes suicides.

If someone wishes to kill himself, he'll find a way. The relevant stats are murder rates overall (again, if somebody wishes to kill someone else, he will find a way), and crimes prevented. Of course, a nattering nabob of nonsense such as yourself will continue to claim that guns cause crime. They don't. People cause crime.

and what do people use to commit crimes retard? GUNS! and when it is easy to get guns, they use them! someone of below average intelligence would understand that, but time and time again all youve shown is that you like to spout of talking points, without ever adding anything of substance to the conversation.

the article i posted from says nothing about suicide rates or suicide deaths, it simply says "GUN DEATHS." and those state with lax gun control laws have higher rates of death by gun. i didnt think that was too hard to understand. but apparently you can read or comprehend simple english sentences. so just neg rep me again and be on your way. fucking dumbass.

You really are a gullible shill for government propaganda, you sad little hack.

The data you provided is garbage. It isn't broken down by cause of death, whether or not the gun was legally owned and registered, and gang violence.


Gun related suicides outnumber gun related homicides across the country. People intent on suicide are going to find away. Someone doesn't just get a whim to kill himself because he has access to a gun (unless he's a moron like you, in which case, your paranoia is duly noted).

Most gun related homicides in the country are the result of drug gang violence. Legal gun owners are not the cause of that.

 

[American Cowboy]

Mexican Cartels found with 20,499 US made guns

So fire some government MF'ers

Don't mess with my "Gun Rights"

 

[Uncensored2008]

that could be true... its still a sad fact that US made weapons find their way into the hands of criminals.

And you think disarming US Citizens would cut down on weapons in the hands of Mexican criminals?

Anyone else see a flaw in that logic?

Maybe if you shoot your dog, it will keep the dog down the block from barking.....

 

[Skynet]

You are an utter moron. The stats you provided are for all firearm related deaths, which includes suicides.

If someone wishes to kill himself, he'll find a way. The relevant stats are murder rates overall (again, if somebody wishes to kill someone else, he will find a way), and crimes prevented. Of course, a nattering nabob of nonsense such as yourself will continue to claim that guns cause crime. They don't. People cause crime.

and what do people use to commit crimes retard? GUNS! and when it is easy to get guns, they use them! someone of below average intelligence would understand that, but time and time again all youve shown is that you like to spout of talking points, without ever adding anything of substance to the conversation.

the article i posted from says nothing about suicide rates or suicide deaths, it simply says "GUN DEATHS." and those state with lax gun control laws have higher rates of death by gun. i didnt think that was too hard to understand. but apparently you can read or comprehend simple english sentences. so just neg rep me again and be on your way. fucking dumbass.

You really are a gullible shill for government propaganda, you sad little hack.

The data you provided is garbage. It isn't broken down by cause of death, whether or not the gun was legally owned and registered, and gang violence.


Gun related suicides outnumber gun related homicides across the country. People intent on suicide are going to find away. Someone doesn't just get a whim to kill himself because he has access to a gun (unless he's a moron like you, in which case, your paranoia is duly noted).

Most gun related homicides in the country are the result of drug gang violence. Legal gun owners are not the cause of that.

thanks for making up facts.... cause your evidence is overwhelming... wait you didnt post any evidence...... damn fucked up again didnt you?

 

[AllieBaba]

gun control do in fact work.

States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

VPC - Press Release - (05/06/2009) - States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
1 Louisiana 45.6 percent 19.58
2 Alabama 57.2 percent 16.99
3 Alaska 60.6 percent 16.38
3 Mississippi 54.3 percent 16.38
5 Nevada 31.5 percent 16.25

States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates

Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
50 Hawaii 9.7 percent 2.58
49 Massachusetts 12.8 percent 3.28
48 Rhode Island 13.3 percent 4.43
47 Connecticut 16.2 percent 4.95
46 New York 18.1 percent 5.20

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "More guns means more gun death and injury. Fewer guns means less gun death and injury. It's a simple equation."

The VPC defined states with "weak" gun laws as those that add little or nothing to federal restrictions and have permissive concealed carry laws allowing civilians to carry concealed handguns. States with "strong" gun laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation in addition to federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and have restrictive concealed carry laws.

I have never heard of the VPC until this moment and would like to say...

What a crap source...not well researched, no real information or explanation for the stats.

About the Violence Policy Center

Each year, more than 30,000 Americans die in gun suicides, homicides, and unintentional shootings as a result of the ready availability, and accessibility, of specific classes of firearms. Gun violence is more than a crime issue; it is a broad-based public health crisis of which crime is merely the most recognized aspect.

The Violence Policy Center (VPC), a national tax-exempt 501(c)(3) non-profit organization based in Washington, DC, works to stop this annual toll of death and injury through research, advocacy, education, and collaboration. Firearms are the only consumer product not regulated by a federal agency for health and safety. This unique exemption has been exploited by the gun industry as it has moved to embrace increased lethality as the foundation of its design, manufacturing, and marketing efforts in the wake of the long-term decline in household gun ownership. The VPC believes that the answer to reducing gun violence lies in applying the decades-long lessons of consumer product safety regulation and injury prevention to the gun industry and its products. This approach is detailed in our landmark 1994 publication Cease Fire: A Comprehensive Strategy to Reduce Firearms Violence.

The VPC has a long and proven record of policy successes on the federal, state, and local levels, leading the National Rifle Association to acknowledge us as "the most effective...anti-gun rabble rouser in Washington.


reading is hard for you isnt it?

The VPC is a crap political organization that is rabid about gun control. I figured that was the case when I saw your first post that started with the statement that it wasn't about revoking the 2nd amendment.

Knowing the bent of dishonest liberal retards, I figured "if this idiot says it's not about the second amendment, that means it is about the second amendment" so I looked into your crap link and discovered...it's a crap political source that is known to fudge numbers, twist stats, and present opinion (well, anti-2nd amendment opinion, at any rate) as if it is fact.

You should do some independent research, perhaps, rather than being spoon fed your information. Look into what happened to the crime rate in DC when gun regulations were tightened.

 

[Skynet]

that could be true... its still a sad fact that US made weapons find their way into the hands of criminals.

And you think disarming US Citizens would cut down on weapons in the hands of Mexican criminals?

Anyone else see a flaw in that logic?

Maybe if you shoot your dog, it will keep the dog down the block from barking.....

who said anything about disarming citizens? why cant you understand gun control does not equal gun elimination. if you cant understand that, then we cant have a civil debate.

 

[boedicca]

that could be true... its still a sad fact that US made weapons find their way into the hands of criminals.

And you think disarming US Citizens would cut down on weapons in the hands of Mexican criminals?

Anyone else see a flaw in that logic?

Maybe if you shoot your dog, it will keep the dog down the block from barking.....

SkyNut is exactly the audience for Project Gunrunner. It's a cynical attempt to create a "Crisis" in order to gut the 2nd Amendment.

 

[AllieBaba]

"If your only source of information is the mainstream media, what you think you know may not be correct. Take the quiz below and test your knowledge.
1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.
David Lampo is the publications director at the Cato Institute.




False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn't know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes "children" up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.
2. Gun shows are responsible for a large number of firearms falling into the hands of criminals.
False. Contrary to President Clinton's claims, there is no "gun show loophole." All commercial arms dealers at gun shows must run background checks, and the only people exempt from them are the small number of non-commercial sellers. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, at most 2 percent of guns used by criminals are purchased at gun shows, and most of those were purchased legally by people who passed background checks.
3. The tragedy at Columbine High School a year ago illustrates the deficiencies of current gun control laws.
False. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold violated close to 20 firearms laws in amassing their cache of weapons (not to mention the law against murder), so it seems rather dubious to argue that additional laws might have prevented this tragedy. The two shotguns and rifle used by Harris and Klebold were purchased by a girlfriend who would have passed a background check, and the TEC-9 handgun used by them was already illegal.
4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don't.
True. The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.
5. Waiting periods lower crime rates.
False. Numerous studies have been conducted on the effects of waiting periods, both before and after the federal Brady bill was passed in 1993. Those studies consistently show that there is no correlation between waiting periods and murder or robbery rates. Florida State University professor Gary Kleck analyzed data from every U.S. city with a population over 100,000 and found that waiting periods had no statistically significant effect. Even University of Maryland anti-gun researcher David McDowell found that "waiting periods have no influence on either gun homicides or gun suicides."
6. Lower murder rates in foreign countries prove that gun control works.
False. This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control proponents, and yet the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime.
The basic premise of the gun control movement, that easy access to guns causes higher crime, is contradicted by the facts, by history and by reason. "
Gun Control: Myths and Realities | David Lampo | Cato Institute: Daily Commentary

 

[Skynet]

I have never heard of the VPC until this moment and would like to say...

What a crap source...not well researched, no real information or explanation for the stats.

About the Violence Policy Center

Each year, more than 30,000 Americans die in gun suicides, homicides, and unintentional shootings as a result of the ready availability, and accessibility, of specific classes of firearms. Gun violence is more than a crime issue; it is a broad-based public health crisis of which crime is merely the most recognized aspect.

The Violence Policy Center (VPC), a national tax-exempt 501(c)(3) non-profit organization based in Washington, DC, works to stop this annual toll of death and injury through research, advocacy, education, and collaboration. Firearms are the only consumer product not regulated by a federal agency for health and safety. This unique exemption has been exploited by the gun industry as it has moved to embrace increased lethality as the foundation of its design, manufacturing, and marketing efforts in the wake of the long-term decline in household gun ownership. The VPC believes that the answer to reducing gun violence lies in applying the decades-long lessons of consumer product safety regulation and injury prevention to the gun industry and its products. This approach is detailed in our landmark 1994 publication Cease Fire: A Comprehensive Strategy to Reduce Firearms Violence.

The VPC has a long and proven record of policy successes on the federal, state, and local levels, leading the National Rifle Association to acknowledge us as "the most effective...anti-gun rabble rouser in Washington.


reading is hard for you isnt it?

The VPC is a crap political organization that is rabid about gun control. I figured that was the case when I saw your first post that started with the statement that it wasn't about revoking the 2nd amendment.

Knowing the bent of dishonest liberal retards, I figured "if this idiot says it's not about the second amendment, that means it is about the second amendment" so I looked into your crap link and discovered...it's a crap political source that is known to fudge numbers, twist stats, and present opinion (well, anti-2nd amendment opinion, at any rate) as if it is fact.

You should do some independent research, perhaps, rather than being spoon fed your information. Look into what happened to the crime rate in DC when gun regulations were tightened.

once again, thanks for posting evidence of your wild claims..

 

[boedicca]

and what do people use to commit crimes retard? GUNS! and when it is easy to get guns, they use them! someone of below average intelligence would understand that, but time and time again all youve shown is that you like to spout of talking points, without ever adding anything of substance to the conversation.

the article i posted from says nothing about suicide rates or suicide deaths, it simply says "GUN DEATHS." and those state with lax gun control laws have higher rates of death by gun. i didnt think that was too hard to understand. but apparently you can read or comprehend simple english sentences. so just neg rep me again and be on your way. fucking dumbass.

You really are a gullible shill for government propaganda, you sad little hack.

The data you provided is garbage. It isn't broken down by cause of death, whether or not the gun was legally owned and registered, and gang violence.


Gun related suicides outnumber gun related homicides across the country. People intent on suicide are going to find away. Someone doesn't just get a whim to kill himself because he has access to a gun (unless he's a moron like you, in which case, your paranoia is duly noted).

Most gun related homicides in the country are the result of drug gang violence. Legal gun owners are not the cause of that.

thanks for making up facts.... cause your evidence is overwhelming... wait you didnt post any evidence...... damn fucked up again didnt you?

You are an idiot. You haven't even read up on the data behind the misleading stats you presented, or you would know that the majority of gun fatalities are suicides.


How Are Victims Killed?

Homicide: 11,624 / 39% of All Fatalities
Suicide: 16,750 / 57% of All Fatalities
Unintentional Death (Accidental): 649 / 2% of All Fatalities

National Firearm Injury and Death Statistics | Washington CeaseFire

 

[Missourian]

Okay, are you done with that ?

Good.

Now here is the bottom line.

Gun Control doesn't work...never has.

Gun laws only penalize law abiding citizens, criminals by definition don't obey the law.

There are more guns in the U.S. than ever before, thanks in no small part to President Obama...and yet violent crime is still at all time lows.

Obama did the NRA a huge favor...he singlehandedly proved beyond any doubt that more guns equals less crime during the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

Now, you tell me, why should we impose gun control.

gun control do in fact work.

States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

VPC - Press Release - (05/06/2009) - States with Higher Gun Ownership and Weak Gun Laws Lead Nation in Gun Death

States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
1 Louisiana 45.6 percent 19.58
2 Alabama 57.2 percent 16.99
3 Alaska 60.6 percent 16.38
3 Mississippi 54.3 percent 16.38
5 Nevada 31.5 percent 16.25

States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates

Rank State Gun Ownership Gun Deaths / 100,000
50 Hawaii 9.7 percent 2.58
49 Massachusetts 12.8 percent 3.28
48 Rhode Island 13.3 percent 4.43
47 Connecticut 16.2 percent 4.95
46 New York 18.1 percent 5.20

VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "More guns means more gun death and injury. Fewer guns means less gun death and injury. It's a simple equation."

The VPC defined states with "weak" gun laws as those that add little or nothing to federal restrictions and have permissive concealed carry laws allowing civilians to carry concealed handguns. States with "strong" gun laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation in addition to federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and have restrictive concealed carry laws.

Here's the truth on gun related homicide and gun control by state...this excludes suicide, which gun control isn't going to stop.

[FONT=arial,arial]These are the 13 states with the most pro-Second Amendment laws according to the Brady Center (Oklahoma being the most pro-Second Amendment in the nation) with total firearm murders from 2007 according to the FBI and population from the Census Bureau:[/FONT]​

----------State-----------------------------# of Firearm Homicides-----------Population​

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

• Arkansas ----------------------130 ------------2,810,872
• [FONT=arial,arial]Idaho -------------------------------------------------25 ---------------------1,466,465[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]New Mexico ---------------------------------------81 ---------------------1,954,599[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]South Dakota ---------------------------------------4 -----------------------781,919[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]West Virginia --------------------------------------37 --------------------1,818,470[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Mississippi ---------------------------------------119 ---------------------2,910,540[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Alaska -----------------------------------------------21 --------------------- 670,053[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Louisiana ------------------------------------------455----------------------4,287,768[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Missouri -------------------------------------------247 ---------------------5,842,713[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]North Dakota ----------------------------------------3 -----------------------635,867[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Utah ---------------------------------------------------38 --------------------2,550,063[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Kentucky ------------------------------------------131 --------------------4,206,074[/FONT]
• [FONT=arial,arial]Oklahoma -------------------------------- --------132 --------------------3,579,212[/FONT]

And the 13 strictest gun control states according to the Brady Center (California being the strictest in the nation) with total firearm murders from 2007 according to the FBI and population from the Census Bureau:

• California -----------------------1,605-----36,457,549
• New Jersey ----------------------260-------8,724,560
• Connecticut ----------------------57 -------3,504,809
• Massachusetts ------------------114 -------6,437,193
• Maryland ------------------------414------- 5,615,727
• New York ------------------------500 -----19,306,183
• Rhode Island -------------------- --9 ------ 1,067,610
• Hawaii -----------------------------3 -------1,285,498
• Illinois ---------------------------343* -----12,831,970
• Pennsylvania ---------------------527 ------12,440,621
• Michigan -------------------------444 ------10,095,643
• Delaware--------------------------22 ---------853,476
• North Carolina--------------------369 --------8,856,505

* incomplete data received by the FBI



The District of Columbia is not listed on the Brady Center ranking list but it did have the strictest gun control in the nation in 2007:

• District of Columbia-----------------181--------581,530

So here is the break down for firearm homicides per number of citizens per state plus the District of Columbia with Washington D.C. being the most dangerous place to live with 1 out of every 3,212 residents murdered by firearms and Hawaii being the safest with 1 out of every 428,499 residents murdered by firearms.



The number listed is the population divided by the total firearm homicides to render 1 homicide per (X) number of residents. (Red are Strict Gun Control, Blue are Pro-gun)

1. District of Columbia -----------1 / 3,212
2. Louisiana ---------------------1 / 9,423
3. Maryland ---------------------1 / 13,564
4. Arkansas ---------------------1 / 21,622
5. California ---------------------1 / 22,714
6. Michigan ---------------------1 / 22,737
7. Pennsylvania -----------------1 / 23,606
8. Missouri ----------------------1 / 23,654
9. North Carolina ----------------1 / 24,001
10. New Mexico ------------------1 / 24,130
11. Mississippi --------------------1 / 24,458
12. Oklahoma --------------------1 / 25,115
13. Alaska -----------------------1 / 31,907
14. Kentucky ---------------------1 / 32,107
15. New Jersey -------------------1 / 33,556
16. Illinois ------------------------1 / 37,410
17. New York ---------------------1 / 38,612
18. Delaware ---------------------1 / 38,794
19. West Virgina ------------------1 / 49,147
20. Massachusetts ----------------1 / 56,466
21. Idaho -------------------------1 / 58,658
22. Connecticut -------------------1 / 61,487
23. Utah --------------------------1 / 67,106
24. Rhode Island -------------------1 / 118,623
25. South Dakota ------------------1 / 195,479
26. North Dakota -------------------1 / 211,955
27. Hawaii -------------------------1 / 428,499

Bottom line, stricter firearm laws have no effect on firearm homicides.



That is why the Brady Center and VPC uses violent crime or firearm deaths instead of actual firearm homicides even though the firearm homicides are provided by the FBI online every year.






Link to FBI Stats Table 20 - Crime in the United States 2007

Link to Brady Center state rankings list http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/p...d_rankings.pdf

Population from the U.S. Census Bureau State and County QuickFacts

Wikipedia Firearm Homicides for the District of Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.



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