Meltdown of the climate 'consensus'

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    Meltdown of the climate 'consensus'
    If this keeps up, no one's going to trust any scientists.

    The global-warming establishment took a body blow this week, as the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change received a stunning rebuke from a top-notch independent investigation.

    For two decades, the IPCC has spearheaded efforts to convince the world's governments that man-made carbon emissions pose a threat to the global temperature equilibrium -- and to civilization itself. IPCC reports, collated from the work of hundreds of climate scientists and bureaucrats, are widely cited as evidence for the urgent need for drastic action to "save the planet."

    But the prestigious InterAcademy Council, an independent association of "the best scientists and engineers worldwide" (as the group's own Web site puts it) formed in 2000 to give "high-quality advice to international bodies," has finished a thorough review of IPCC practices -- and found them badly wanting.
    For example, the IPCC's much-vaunted Fourth Assessment Report claimed in 2007 that Himalayan glaciers were rapidly melting, and would possibly be gone by the year 2035. The claim was actually false -- yet the IPCC cited it as proof of man-made global warming.

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    Yet the Himalayan claim wasn't based on peer-reviewed scientific data, or on any data -- but on spec ulation in a phone interview by a single scientist.

    Was science even a real concern for the IPCC? In January, the Sunday Times of London reported that, based in large part on the fraudulent glacier story, "[IPCC Chairman] Rajendra Pachauri's Energy and Resources Institute, based in New Delhi, was awarded up to 310,000 pounds by the Carnegie Corp. . . . and the lion's share of a 2.5 million pound EU grant funded by European taxpayers."

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    What does the best evidence now tell us? That man-made global warming is a mere hypothesis that has been inflated by both exaggeration and downright malfeasance, fueled by the awarding of fat grants and salaries to any scientist who'll produce the "right" results.

    The warming "scientific" community, the Climategate emails reveal, is a tight clique of like-minded scientists and bureaucrats who give each other jobs, publish each other's papers -- and conspire to shut out any point of view that threatens to derail their gravy train.

    Such behavior is perhaps to be expected from politicians and government functionaries. From scientists, it's a travesty.

    In the end, grievous harm will have been done not just to individual scientists' reputations, but to the once-sterling reputation of science itself. For that, we will all suffer.​
     
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    Ah yes, let us all get our scientific information from the likes of Limpbaugh.

    The consensus is not only still there, it is stronger than ever as each year brings more events demonstrating a changing climate.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf

    Expert credibility in climate change
    William R. L. Anderegga,1, James W. Prallb, Jacob Haroldc, and Stephen H. Schneidera,d,1
    aDepartment of Biology, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305; bElectrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto, Toronto, ON, Canada M5S
    3G4; cWilliam and Flora Hewlett Foundation, Palo Alto, CA 94025; and dWoods Institute for the Environment, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305
    Contributed by Stephen H. Schneider, April 9, 2010 (sent for review December 22, 2009)
    Although preliminary estimates from published literature and
    expert surveys suggest striking agreement among climate scientists
    on the tenets of anthropogenic climate change (ACC), the American
    public expresses substantial doubt about both the anthropogenic
    cause and the level of scientific agreement underpinning ACC. A
    broad analysis of the climate scientist community itself, the
    distribution of credibility of dissenting researchers relative to
    agreeing researchers, and the level of agreementamong top climate
    experts has not been conducted and would inform future ACC discussions.
    Here, we use an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate
    researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i)
    97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the
    field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental
    Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and
    scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are
    substantially below that of the convinced researchers.
     
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    :lol: Looked at the Himalayan glaciers lately, OR?

    Remember...you're defending a body that made an official determination from a phone interview with one scientist.

    You should demand better of them. But instead, you blindly support them.
     
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    not to mention the research the IPCC used was actually articles by an activist for the WWF based on anecdotes from ice climbing guides in the Himalayas.

    Not hard data.
     
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    "But it FELT right!!"

    Leftists. Long on feelings, short on facts and logic.
     
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    It is a religion dave...And the followers are seeing the Virgin Mary in a piece of toast. Of course if christians claimed they found god in science, who would be the first to "discredit" that science? The VM isn't in a piece of toast and God CAN'T be proven with science.
     
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    Dumb ass, you are the one that has not looked at the Himalayan glaciers. Here is what the USGS has to say on that.

    USGS Professional Paper 1386-F: Satellite Image Atlas of Glaciers of the World -- Asia
     
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    Yes, it's a religion...or, rather, cult.

    I wouldn't mind that so much if they didn't want to collapse the economies of the Western world to "solve" the problem they invented.
     
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    Daveboy, you are the one that is believing without evidence. Like most Conservatives, you would rather believe some fat face on the radio or tv, than invest a little research in finding out what real scientists are saying.
     
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    linkie no workie
     

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