Meet the Next Vice-President!

[koshergrl]

He can't be the Vice President because he is not a U.S. born Citizen.
If Puerto Rico became a state then he could be.

Racist! Hate speech! Why do you hate Puerto Ricans?

 

[peach174]

Any U.S. citizen who resides in Puerto Rico (whether a Puerto Rican or not) is effectively disenfranchised at the national level, as are all U.S. citizen residents of U.S. territories.
Puerto Rico is still a territory. The citizens can not vote in U. S. elections.
The Gov, can not be our V.P.
They do have representation only.
I would love to have him as V.P. but unless Puerto Rico is made a state he can not be our V.P.

 

[Obama_Exposer]

He can't be the Vice President because he is not a U.S. born Citizen.
If Puerto Rico became a state then he could be.

1. "The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402), Alaska (8 USC 1404), Hawaii (8 USC 1405), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406), and Guam (8 USC 1407). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive."
Constitutional Topic: Citizenship - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

2. "Democrats and Republicans have recognized the need to attract Latinos. Hispanics already represent 16 percent of the population and some 22 million eligible voters."
Latino Vote 2012: Decline In Hispanic Voters Fuels Registration Drive

I am sorry but 14th Amendment does not define natural born Citizen. It defines Citizen. You will not see the term 'natural born Citizen' in any wording within the 14th Amendment nor code 1402 and any other codes. Article 2 Section 1 is designed for the president only in the Constitution and that calls for specifically a natural born Citizen, not citizen. It is seperate strictly for the president. That is why Article 2 Section 1 (the natural born Citizen presidential clause) was not amended to the 14th Amendment. This Puerto Rican is a statute U.S. citizen but not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen. There is a difference.

Let this Constitutional Scholar on natural born Citizenship explain. Listen very closely.
Natural Born Citizen? - YouTube

 

[Mad Scientist]

I'm still betting it's gonna' be Marco Rubio.

 

[Obama_Exposer]

I'm still betting it's gonna' be Marco Rubio.

He isn't eligible either. Both his parents were not naturalized U.S. citizens when he was born. He is a statute 14th Amendment Citizen but not a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen preserved strictly for the presidency.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Any U.S. citizen who resides in Puerto Rico (whether a Puerto Rican or not) is effectively disenfranchised at the national level, as are all U.S. citizen residents of U.S. territories.
Puerto Rico is still a territory. The citizens can not vote in U. S. elections.
The Gov, can not be our V.P.
They do have representation only.
I would love to have him as V.P. but unless Puerto Rico is made a state he can not be our V.P.

The more I research the question, the more I see your point.

1. While Puerto Rico has its own Commonwealth judicial system similar to that of a U.S. state, there is also a federal district court in Puerto Rico, and Puerto Rican judges have served in that Court and in other federal courts on the mainland regardless of their residency status at the time of their appointment. Puerto Ricans are also regularly appointed to high-level federal positions, including serving as United States Ambassadors.Puerto Rico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. Can a Puerto Rican become president of the US?
Yes, Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth associated with the US, much like Washington, DC.

Read more: Can a Puerto Rican become president of the US


3.Gov. Luis Fortuño, who has been mentioned as a possible Republican vice-presidential candidate, ...
Puerto Rico aims to become fully bilingual by 2022 - Boston.com

4. "No one seems clear on this issue. The Congressional offices of Hawaii and Alaska, both former U.S. territories turned states, have no definitive answer and, as yet, no one from those new states has made a run for the Presidency. In 1964 the late Sen. Barry Goldwater accepted the nomination of the Republican Party to run against incumbent President Lyndon Johnson. Goldwater was born near Phoenix in 1909, three years before the Arizona territory was admitted to statehood. The nature of his citizenship was never raised seriously as an issue and, had he won the election, all assume that he would have been seated....The Hatch-Snyder amendment makes no mention of Presidential eligibility for the many Americans whose citizenship is "statutory,"...
Puerto Ricans can't vote for President? Can they run for President of the USA? - Yahoo! Answers



Glad you brought this up...rep on the way....but I'm going to place my bet here:

5." Fortuno, who has been governor of Puerto Rico since 2009, is hardly a household name—yet. He's doesn't have the star wattage of Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, a Cuban-American. But his record of trimming billions from the island's budget despite angry protests from government workers has made him a favorite among many key GOP figures. There have also been whispers that Fortuno is a long-shot candidate for the vice presidential spot on the Republican ticket this summer.

"He'd be a great vice presidential candidate. He's brilliant. He's Hispanic, and Republicans have to articulate a message to Hispanic voters," Norquist says. "He's been the Chris Christie of the Caribbean."

Whether Fortuno—a San Juan-born lawyer who went to Georgetown and the University of Virginia—is serious vice presidential timber remains to be seen. Are Americans ready for a Puerto Rican on the national ticket? Norquist notes that one of the biggest issues would be reminding people that someone born in Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, is just as much a citizen as someone born in the continental United States.

"If he was nominated, there would be a three-day period where everyone on MSNBC and Fox News would get a history lesson," Norquist says."
How Puerto Rico's Governor Could Be Dark Horse for VP - US News and World Report

 

[Douger]

Romney's going to take Portman as a running mate.

And after Romney goes bye bye, you'll have a real pResident.
Then you can fire all of the meatheads around the world doing nothing and they can come home and work for Buffet and Koch building infrastructure.....or guarding donut shops and the borders.
No more meathead socialism. They can rent their own housing, pay for their own clothes and meals.....and health insurance. They can even buy their own sidearms and bullet proof vests !
They'll love it since most of them are hard line Gawd loving conservatives !

 

[JoeB131]

Romney's going to take Portman as a running mate.

You wish.

You'd cream your shorts if he did.

It assures an Obama win.

Actually, Portman is probably the best pick Romney could come up with.

He won't upstage Romney by being more interesting.

He actually will know what he's talking about when reporters ask him gotcha questions.

Of course, the problem with a Romney/Portman ticket is that it still has a Lying, homophobic, weird Mormon bully at the front of it.

 

[SniperFire]

Romney's going to take Portman as a running mate.

I thought that too, but now that Obama has come out shaking his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

 

[The T]

Romney's going to take Portman as a running mate.

I thought that too, but now that Obama has come out shaking his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

And Florida...and a myriad of others.

A bridge too far he has crossed...

 

[JoeB131]

Romney's going to take Portman as a running mate.

I thought that too, but now that Obama has come out shaking his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

Okay, but you see, Imaginary Sky Pixies don't get any votes, not even in Ohio.

MOre to the point, only about 1% actually votes on this issue, and they were going to vote for who they were going to vote for anyway.

Why Obama

 

[The T]

his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

Okay, but you see, Imaginary Sky Pixies don't get any votes, not even in Ohio.

Let's pause for a moment to relish the absurdity of your asinine comment.

Are you stating that if a candidate for POTUS said he was a devout atheist, that would not cost him votes, all other things being equal?

I mean, are you a complete dumbass?

Short answer?

*YES*

 

[SniperFire]

Romney's going to take Portman as a running mate.

I thought that too, but now that Obama has come out shaking his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

Okay, but you see, Imaginary Sky Pixies don't get any votes, not even in Ohio.

MOre to the point, only about 1% actually votes on this issue, and they were going to vote for who they were going to vote for anyway.

Why Obama

Let's pause for a moment to relish the absurdity of your asinine comment.

Are you stating that if a candidate for POTUS said he was a devout atheist, that would not cost him votes, all other things being equal?

I mean, are you a complete dumbass?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Romney's going to take Portman as a running mate.

I thought that too, but now that Obama has come out shaking his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

Okay, but you see, Imaginary Sky Pixies don't get any votes, not even in Ohio.

MOre to the point, only about 1% actually votes on this issue, and they were going to vote for who they were going to vote for anyway.

Why Obama

Washington -- The typical American believes in God (92 percent), believes in absolute standards of right and wrong (78 percent), prays at least weekly (75 percent), believes in life after death (74 percent) and believes in sacred scripture as the word of God (63 percent). But that typical American is also tolerant of other peoples’ beliefs and strikingly nondogmatic in the sense of not believing his or her own religion to be the only path to salvation or to have a monopoly on truth.
These findings emerge from a new study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Survey Finds Americans Are Religious, Tolerant, Nondogmatic

 

[The T]

I thought that too, but now that Obama has come out shaking his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

Okay, but you see, Imaginary Sky Pixies don't get any votes, not even in Ohio.

MOre to the point, only about 1% actually votes on this issue, and they were going to vote for who they were going to vote for anyway.

Why Obama

Washington -- The typical American believes in God (92 percent), believes in absolute standards of right and wrong (78 percent), prays at least weekly (75 percent), believes in life after death (74 percent) and believes in sacred scripture as the word of God (63 percent). But that typical American is also tolerant of other peoples’ beliefs and strikingly nondogmatic in the sense of not believing his or her own religion to be the only path to salvation or to have a monopoly on truth.
These findings emerge from a new study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Survey Finds Americans Are Religious, Tolerant, Nondogmatic

Is Joey a moral secularist in sheep's clothing?

 

[JoeB131]

Washington -- The typical American believes in God (92 percent), believes in absolute standards of right and wrong (78 percent), prays at least weekly (75 percent), believes in life after death (74 percent) and believes in sacred scripture as the word of God (63 percent). But that typical American is also tolerant of other peoples’ beliefs and strikingly nondogmatic in the sense of not believing his or her own religion to be the only path to salvation or to have a monopoly on truth.
These findings emerge from a new study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Survey Finds Americans Are Religious, Tolerant, Nondogmatic

Yes, the fact we still believe in Bronze age stupidity is kind of sad, isn't it?

Then again, fear of your imaginary sky friend is probably the only thing that keeps some of you from being even more mean-spirited than you already are, I guess there's some value to it.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I still say the next Vice-President should be my barber, Earl. He has his shit together, knows everything and gives a great hair cut to boot.

 

[JoeB131]

Okay, but you see, Imaginary Sky Pixies don't get any votes, not even in Ohio.

MOre to the point, only about 1% actually votes on this issue, and they were going to vote for who they were going to vote for anyway.

Why Obama

Washington -- The typical American believes in God (92 percent), believes in absolute standards of right and wrong (78 percent), prays at least weekly (75 percent), believes in life after death (74 percent) and believes in sacred scripture as the word of God (63 percent). But that typical American is also tolerant of other peoples’ beliefs and strikingly nondogmatic in the sense of not believing his or her own religion to be the only path to salvation or to have a monopoly on truth.
These findings emerge from a new study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Survey Finds Americans Are Religious, Tolerant, Nondogmatic

Is Joey a moral secularist in sheep's clothing?

Naw, man, Wool makes my skin itch....

Depends what you mean by a moral secularist...

I have a moral code, that is amazingly pretty Catholic. One of my friends described me as an atheist with a Catholic Ethic system. Which is probably somewhat valid, I was brought up Catholic and remained so until I was about 21.

I just figured out that you don't need to believe in angels, devils, Gods, burning bushes, etc. to have a moral system. In fact, it's probably a lot easier to have one without having to rationalize it using a book written by Bronze Age savages.

My moral calculus goes something like this.

1) Will my action cause harm to others? If not, there's nothing immoral about it.

2) If my actions do cause moral harm to others, I shouldn't do it unless there is no alternative to prevent worse things from happening.

No need for a Sky Pixie at all in that, that probably works well in about 99% of situations I encounter.

 

[Rozman]

What the freak...Obama got in...!!!!!

 

[JoeB131]

I thought that too, but now that Obama has come out shaking his fist at God as the Gay President, Ohio is a slam dunk for Romney.

Okay, but you see, Imaginary Sky Pixies don't get any votes, not even in Ohio.

MOre to the point, only about 1% actually votes on this issue, and they were going to vote for who they were going to vote for anyway.

Why Obama

Let's pause for a moment to relish the absurdity of your asinine comment.

Are you stating that if a candidate for POTUS said he was a devout atheist, that would not cost him votes, all other things being equal?

I mean, are you a complete dumbass?

We aren't talking about whether he's an atheist or not. We probably wouldn't elect a Jew and Romney's Mormonism is probably going to cost him the election.

The kind of person who hates gays because he thinks God hates gays is the kind of person who was never going to vote for Obama to start with.