Meet The Master Debater

[Ernie S.]

Yikes, 6 Fortune 500 Companies in Texas!!!!
In Minnesota, we have 20 Fortune 500 Companies, with 20 million fewer residents than Texas and we have high taxes. But we also have one of the highest quality ratings in the country, very clean air, the best health care and cold enough winters to keep the riff raft out!
Texas can keep Perry..

Texas is home to over fifty Fortune 500 companies.

Thanks, I realize Wiki is not a good source but I was in a hurry.

Texas is booming, MN may be better than Ohio right now but if you don't mind moving, go to Texas and you'll find work. Or you could go to DC, I hear they're hiring government workers for everything from counting sheets of TP to number of beans in the can. They'll pay you a lot more than they pay legal migrant workers in Texas that pick the beans.

Oh yea, I'll take the weather in Texas over MN any day of the week. Not a huge fan of their four seasons, winter, winter, spring and winter.

Alabama is hiring too. (ship yards in Mobile)

 

[Full-Auto]

So you prefer theft from solyndra and being asked to delay layoffs because the truth might come out before elections.

I sure as hell don't believe the party of the rich and famous who supervised the rich quadrupling their wealth on money borrowed from foreign banks while wages for ordinary working Americans stagnated is the way to go.

Your stupidity is beyond pale.

DUMBASS. Your boy signed into law large bonuses for crooks.

How fucking stupid are you?

It's pretty damn obvious who's stupid here. Did you look at the table showing tax cuts, debt accumulation and who received the borrowed money..............would you like to see it again[/QUOTE]

I understand you are sticking to stupid. It s all you have, that and half truths.

You couldnt use all the facts, most useful idiots cower from that.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

LMAO!!!!!

I noticed you bailed on the chart reading.

Ol' Harry S. said, "If You Can't Stand The Heat Stay The Fuck Out Of The Kitchen" or something like that

Chart reading?

I have no idea what you're talking about. But you probably don't either.

Oh I do....you just haven't noticed it:

Total U S Debt

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Why did you leave out the debt Obama incurred?

Obama ‘Beats’ Bush’s U.S. Debt Accumulation…in Less Than Half the Time

US debt has almost doubled under Obama

The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.

The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.

 

[kiwiman127]

Here's an interesting article!

The best- and worst-run states in the US

How well run are America’s 50 states? The answer depends a lot on where you live.

For the second year, 24/7 Wall St. has reviewed data on financial health, standard of living and government services by state to determine how well each is managed. Based on this data, 24/7 Wall St. ranked the 50 from best to worst. The best-run is Wyoming. The worst-run is California.

Comparing the 50 states can be a challenge because they are so different. Some states have abundant natural resources while others rely on service or innovation. State populations also can be more rural or more urban. Some had booming industries that are waning or that have disappeared altogether. Border states with large immigrant communities have populations that are growing rapidly. Many states in the Northeast are not growing at all. All of these factors affect the finances and the living conditions in in each.

Despite these differences, states can do a great deal to control their fate. Well-run states have a great deal in common with well-run corporations. Books are kept balanced. Investment is prudent. Debt is sustainable. Innovation is prized. Workers are well-chosen and well-trained. Executives, including elected and appointed officials, are retained based on merit and not politics.
Bottom Line - The best- and worst-run states in the US

The Top 10
1. Wyoming
2. Nebraska
3. North Dakota
4. Minnesota
5. Iowa
6. Utah
7. Vermont
8. Virginia
9. Kansas
10. South Dakota

Texas was rated 25th.

 

[naturegirl]

Here's an interesting article!

The best- and worst-run states in the US

How well run are America’s 50 states? The answer depends a lot on where you live.

For the second year, 24/7 Wall St. has reviewed data on financial health, standard of living and government services by state to determine how well each is managed. Based on this data, 24/7 Wall St. ranked the 50 from best to worst. The best-run is Wyoming. The worst-run is California.

Comparing the 50 states can be a challenge because they are so different. Some states have abundant natural resources while others rely on service or innovation. State populations also can be more rural or more urban. Some had booming industries that are waning or that have disappeared altogether. Border states with large immigrant communities have populations that are growing rapidly. Many states in the Northeast are not growing at all. All of these factors affect the finances and the living conditions in in each.

Despite these differences, states can do a great deal to control their fate. Well-run states have a great deal in common with well-run corporations. Books are kept balanced. Investment is prudent. Debt is sustainable. Innovation is prized. Workers are well-chosen and well-trained. Executives, including elected and appointed officials, are retained based on merit and not politics.
Bottom Line - The best- and worst-run states in the US

The Top 10
1. Wyoming
2. Nebraska
3. North Dakota
4. Minnesota
5. Iowa
6. Utah
7. Vermont
8. Virginia
9. Kansas
10. South Dakota

Texas was rated 25th.

From your link did you happen to catch which one's were 49 & 50?? Guess............come on...........It's Illlinois and California respectively. LOL

I've no doubt MN is a great state, it's just too durn cold for me.

 

[Meister]

If this is the worst he says, we should count ourselves lucky. Its like the Obama thread - this is pretty unimportant. Problem is, he's a dumb version of Bush and he makes Bachmann/$arah look smart.

We should be a lot more concerned with their aggregate ignorance about the job they're applying for.

Were you as concerned when Obama made his run for the presidency? Was the voting "present" as a state senator a show of great leadership and insight to the man? Or, was it once he made it to the federal level and then began campaigning for presidency right away, and for the most part not voting, a clue that he was the right man at the right place at the right time?

 

[Cammmpbell]

Chart reading?

I have no idea what you're talking about. But you probably don't either.

Oh I do....you just haven't noticed it:

Total U S Debt

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Why did you leave out the debt Obama incurred?

Obama ‘Beats’ Bush’s U.S. Debt Accumulation…in Less Than Half the Time

US debt has almost doubled under Obama

The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.

The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.

You left out something. When Obama assumed the office he inheirited an annual interest payment of about $450 billion a year accumulated because of the Reagan and Bush borrowing. That amounts to over $1.2 trillion for three years. Kindly subtract that from Obama's debt and add it to the Reagan Bushes debt.

 

[kiwiman127]

Chart reading?

I have no idea what you're talking about. But you probably don't either.

Oh I do....you just haven't noticed it:

Total U S Debt

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Why did you leave out the debt Obama incurred?

Obama ‘Beats’ Bush’s U.S. Debt Accumulation…in Less Than Half the Time

US debt has almost doubled under Obama

The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.

The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.

I'm glad you used fiscal years for your chart as fiscal years end on September 30th. But some of your links expound inaccurate data.
Now I know and agree that spending and the increase of the National Debt exploded under Obama. That's a given.
BUT the very first day of GWB's first fiscal year the debt was at 5,806,151,389,190.21
The debt on Obama's first day of his first fiscal day was 11,920,519,164,319.42
So debt increased under GWB by 6.1 trillion.
As of today, the National Debt is at 15,061,284,033,806.40
Or an increase of 3.16 trillion. So based on fiscal year totals, Obama hasn't reached the 4 trillion milestone nor has Obama reached GWB's milestone (but he will in a year or so) and clearly, the National Debt hasn't almost doubled under Obama!
Again, I'm not defending Obama, the man has to go!

 

[Cammmpbell]

Oh I do....you just haven't noticed it:

Total U S Debt

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)
09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

Why did you leave out the debt Obama incurred?

Obama ‘Beats’ Bush’s U.S. Debt Accumulation…in Less Than Half the Time

US debt has almost doubled under Obama

The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.

The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.

I'm glad you used fiscal years for your chart as fiscal years end on September 30th. But some of your links expound inaccurate data.
Now I know and agree that spending and the increase of the National Debt exploded under Obama. That's a given.
BUT the very first day of GWB's first fiscal year the debt was at 5,806,151,389,190.21
The debt on Obama's first day of his first fiscal day was 11,920,519,164,319.42
So debt increased under GWB by 6.1 trillion.
As of today, the National Debt is at 15,061,284,033,806.40
Or an increase of 3.16 trillion. So based on fiscal year totals, Obama hasn't reached the 4 trillion milestone nor has Obama reached GWB's milestone (but he will in a year or so) and clearly, the National Debt hasn't almost doubled under Obama!
Again, I'm not defending Obama, the man has to go!

I usually don't do links for people...I like to do my own but in this case I've got you the reference to the total debt for any date. Pull it up, check any one of my dates and let me know how it turns out. I don't just blindly accept bullshit and never will.

History of the U.S. public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kiwiman127]

Here's an interesting article!

The best- and worst-run states in the US

How well run are America’s 50 states? The answer depends a lot on where you live.

For the second year, 24/7 Wall St. has reviewed data on financial health, standard of living and government services by state to determine how well each is managed. Based on this data, 24/7 Wall St. ranked the 50 from best to worst. The best-run is Wyoming. The worst-run is California.

Comparing the 50 states can be a challenge because they are so different. Some states have abundant natural resources while others rely on service or innovation. State populations also can be more rural or more urban. Some had booming industries that are waning or that have disappeared altogether. Border states with large immigrant communities have populations that are growing rapidly. Many states in the Northeast are not growing at all. All of these factors affect the finances and the living conditions in in each.

Despite these differences, states can do a great deal to control their fate. Well-run states have a great deal in common with well-run corporations. Books are kept balanced. Investment is prudent. Debt is sustainable. Innovation is prized. Workers are well-chosen and well-trained. Executives, including elected and appointed officials, are retained based on merit and not politics.
Bottom Line - The best- and worst-run states in the US

The Top 10
1. Wyoming
2. Nebraska
3. North Dakota
4. Minnesota
5. Iowa
6. Utah
7. Vermont
8. Virginia
9. Kansas
10. South Dakota

Texas was rated 25th.

From your link did you happen to catch which one's were 49 & 50?? Guess............come on...........It's Illlinois and California respectively. LOL

I've no doubt MN is a great state, it's just too durn cold for me.

I had been a warm weather guy most of my life as I was born in New Zealand, moved to the US when I was seven (Southern California), then as a college grad went to work in Silicon Valley, then moved to Seattle and about 12 years ago landed in Minnesota. I slowly acclimated to cooler climates moving northwards.
Yeah, the winters can be tough but I got into cold weather activities (snowshoeing, winter hiking, ice skating, and indoor tennis ). And I go to Cozumel for two weeks every February, plus I go to New Zealand once every three years during our winter.
So it ain't so bad.

 

[kiwiman127]

Why did you leave out the debt Obama incurred?

Obama ‘Beats’ Bush’s U.S. Debt Accumulation…in Less Than Half the Time

US debt has almost doubled under Obama

The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion.

The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now increased $4 trillion on President Obama’s watch.

I'm glad you used fiscal years for your chart as fiscal years end on September 30th. But some of your links expound inaccurate data.
Now I know and agree that spending and the increase of the National Debt exploded under Obama. That's a given.
BUT the very first day of GWB's first fiscal year the debt was at 5,806,151,389,190.21
The debt on Obama's first day of his first fiscal day was 11,920,519,164,319.42
So debt increased under GWB by 6.1 trillion.
As of today, the National Debt is at 15,061,284,033,806.40
Or an increase of 3.16 trillion. So based on fiscal year totals, Obama hasn't reached the 4 trillion milestone nor has Obama reached GWB's milestone (but he will in a year or so) and clearly, the National Debt hasn't almost doubled under Obama!
Again, I'm not defending Obama, the man has to go!

I usually don't do links for people...I like to do my own but in this case I've got you the reference to the total debt for any date. Pull it up, check any one of my dates and let me know how it turns out. I don't just blindly accept bullshit and never will.

History of the U.S. public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I use U.S. National Debt Clock
If you scroll down the main page, there's a section that says "Also, the U.S. Department of the Treasury provides daily, monthly, and yearly figures for the Debt--to the penny!"
You will then get redirected to Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)
Using this section, one can can pull down the debt numbers using preferred dates and that's how I arrived at my numbers.

 

[jillian]

I realize that politicians have to speak a lot in front of cameras, I realize that even the best mess up from time to time but Christ that guy is a stumble-bum at the podium. What does Texas see in such sorry public speakers?

What do you expect from a closet democrat?

no doubt the radical right would like to disown him b/c he's been so incompetent on the stump.

but too bad, so sad, life is filled with pain. he belongs to you guys. own it.

 

[Ropey]

If this is the worst he says, we should count ourselves lucky. Its like the Obama thread - this is pretty unimportant. Problem is, he's a dumb version of Bush and he makes Bachmann/$arah look smart.

We should be a lot more concerned with their aggregate ignorance about the job they're applying for.

Were you as concerned when Obama made his run for the presidency? Was the voting "present" as a state senator a show of great leadership and insight to the man? Or, was it once he made it to the federal level and then began campaigning for presidency right away, and for the most part not voting, a clue that he was the right man at the right place at the right time?

Obama got a free ride as a presidential hopeful and continues to get one as an incumbent. He gets a free ride nevertheless.