Medicate: The State of Frauds

[uscitizen]

The illogic of this thread amazes me.

Kinda like cutting off school lunches because a few children get them free that should not.

 

[Joe Steel]

Most Medicare fraud is made by unscrupulous doctors - and not all doctors are Republicans. Most Medicaid fraud is made by recipients trying to play the system. And, by the way, AARP is, generally speaking, an organization with a socialist bent. It became very apparent when AARP backed the healthcare reform issue. AARP stands to make money off the deal because they get kickbacks on the various programs they offer seniors - including the AARP health insurance option. That's why their losing membership by the droves.

Of course, you're correct. Not all criminals are Republicans. In fact, I'd go as far as saying most of those committing Medicare and Medicaid fraud are apolitical. It's just that the personality traits which create criminals also create Republicans. Just look at all the Republicans who have been found to be sex offenders and swindlers in recent years.

 

[Granny]

Oh, I'm sorry. Do you mean Republicans like William Jefferson Clinton and his sexual escapades though not a sex offender by legal definition ... or William Jefferson hiding ill-gotten money is his freezer?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's $6,000 per each American family every year.

HO HO HO!!! Merry Christmas!

If American Families actually paid anywhere near the costs of these social programs, there wouldn't BE social programs.

Anyway, why complicate the issue of balancing a budget by taxing people?: Just print more money.

It's $600 but that's just the fraud part and I wonder how many families would willing pay $600 annually to be defrauded

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Yeah, but Frank, you forget that Obama's the smartest guy ever ever ever!!! He's gonna get it right!!!

 

[Claudette]

Oh, I'm sorry. Do you mean Republicans like William Jefferson Clinton and his sexual escapades though not a sex offender by legal definition ... or William Jefferson hiding ill-gotten money is his freezer?

Granny you slay me and your so, so right. Lets not forget old JFK and FDR well known bed hoppers in their day. A little difficult in FDR's case but he sure did it. Of course the press never reported that sort of thing back then. Just today.

 

[Missourian]

Nonsense. Every Republican places his own interests above those of any other person. Those are the same values driving criminals. A theif steals from the poor just as Republicans promote public policies which deny the poor life-saving assistance. The two acts are driven by the same "values."

Allow me to show you how it's done.

Instead of simply stating my opinion in rebuttal to your opinion, I will provide DOCUMENTED PROOF that your theory is complete garbage.

-- Although liberal families' incomes average 6 percent higher than those of conservative families, conservative-headed households give, on average, 30 percent more to charity than the average liberal-headed household ($1,600 per year vs. $1,227).


-- Conservatives also donate more time and give more blood.


-- Residents of the states that voted for John Kerry in 2004 gave smaller percentages of their incomes to charity than did residents of states that voted for George Bush.


-- Bush carried 24 of the 25 states where charitable giving was above average.


-- In the 10 reddest states, in which Bush got more than 60 percent majorities, the average percentage of personal income donated to charity was 3.5. Residents of the bluest states, which gave Bush less than 40 percent, donated just 1.9 percent.


-- People who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of four times more than people who accept that proposition.
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RealClearPolitics - Articles - Conservatives More Liberal Givers
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But wait...there's more.

Sioux Falls vs. San Francisco

We assume the rich give more than the middle class, the middle class more than the poor. I've heard liberals care more about the less fortunate, so we assume they give more than conservatives do. Are these assumptions truth, or myth?


To test what types of people give more, "20/20" went to two very different parts of the country, with contrasting populations: Sioux Falls, S.D. and San Francisco, Calif. The Salvation Army set up buckets at the busiest locations in each city -- Macy's in San Francisco and Wal-Mart in Sioux Falls. Which bucket collected more money?

Who Gives and Who Doesn't? - ABC News​

What's the conclusion?

And what happened in our little test? Well, even though people in Sioux Falls make, on average, half as much money as people in San Francisco, and even though the San Francisco location was much busier — three times as many people were within reach of the bucket — by the end of the second day, the Sioux Falls bucket held twice as much money.

RealClearPolitics - Articles - Who Gives to Charity?

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Don't like those sources?

Well, here's a piece from the New York Times from 2008:

This holiday season is a time to examine who’s been naughty and who’s been nice, but I’m unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.



Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.


Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals.

A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.


Other research has reached similar conclusions. The “generosity index” from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so...


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Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html



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Do you see how I totally destroyed your pathetic opinion with a devastating barrage of facts referenced by links?


Lastly, a summarization.

The premise of your argument "Every Republican places his own interests above those of any other person." has been thoroughly debunked.

In fact the case has been made that in fact the opposite holds true...that Republicans place the interest of other people HIGHER than there own, as Republicans are more likely to personally sacrifice more monetarily and a larger percentage of their income to charity.

End of lesson.

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[Joe Steel]

Oh, I'm sorry. Do you mean Republicans like William Jefferson Clinton and his sexual escapades though not a sex offender by legal definition ... or William Jefferson hiding ill-gotten money is his freezer?

Certainly, an occasional Democrat will stray but Isolated examples won't make your case.

Here's a link to a site tracking Republican sex crimes with children: STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA

And another one tracking common criminals (which may include some of the criminals on the first list): Republicans are Criminals

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Oh, I'm sorry. Do you mean Republicans like William Jefferson Clinton and his sexual escapades though not a sex offender by legal definition ... or William Jefferson hiding ill-gotten money is his freezer?

Certainly, an occasional Democrat will stray but Isolated examples won't make your case.

Here's a link to a site tracking Republican sex crimes with children: STOP REPUBLICAN PEDOPHILIA

And another one tracking common criminals (which may include some of the criminals on the first list): Republicans are Criminals

Translation: I got blowed up in the thread so let me deflect and derail it

 

[Joe Steel]

Nonsense. Every Republican places his own interests above those of any other person. Those are the same values driving criminals. A theif steals from the poor just as Republicans promote public policies which deny the poor life-saving assistance. The two acts are driven by the same "values."

Allow me to show you how it's done.

Instead of simply stating my opinion in rebuttal to your opinion, I will provide DOCUMENTED PROOF that your theory is complete garbage.

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Do you see how I totally destroyed your pathetic opinion with a devastating barrage of facts referenced by links?

Nonsene. You linked a few anecdotes from questionable sources. (Seriously. John Stoessel?)

In any case, support of the poor is a matter for government not charity. Liberals promote and create more government programs. That's the true test.

 

[NO!bama08]

"And feel justified to do it. ever wonder how they give away those scooters? or how seniors pay for their doctors snd prescriptions?"

Let's see.... by working their entire life for those benefits, only to have some Trillion dollar Stealthcare experiment steal them away just so the govenrment can control health care and give it to every crack Ho and drug addict they need a vote from?