Medicare is not an option

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Great article by Betsy McCaughey in today's WSJ on why Ryan's Medicare fix is actually the better alternative. Either way, the Medicare of 5 years ago is gone.
Betsy McCaughey: Medicare As We've Known It Isn't an Option - WSJ.com

The Democratic Party is urging Americans to choose Medicare as we've always known it rather than a new plan by Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) that would enroll seniors in private health insurance beginning in 2022. This choice is a hoax: Medicare as we've always known it is already gone. It was eviscerated by President Obama's health law. Yet if the president and the Democratic Party successfully bamboozle voters, they may win back independents and registered Democrats who voted for Republicans in 2010. The 2012 election could turn on this falsehood.

The truth is that the Obama health law reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years and spends the money on other programs, including a vast expansion of Medicaid. In 2019, Medicare spending under the Obama health law is projected to be $14,731 per senior, instead of $16,162 if the law had not passed, according to Medicare actuaries (Health Affairs, October 2010).

Such cuts might be justifiable if the savings extended the financial life of Medicare. Mr. Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim. Indeed, even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the claim that reducing spending on Medicare will make it more financially secure for future years.

The fact is that Mr. Obama's law raids Medicare. Mr. Ryan's plan, on the other hand, stops the Medicare heist and puts the funds "saved" in this decade toward health care for another generation of retirees.
more at the source.
 
Great article by Betsy McCaughey in today's WSJ on why Ryan's Medicare fix is actually the better alternative. Either way, the Medicare of 5 years ago is gone.
Betsy McCaughey: Medicare As We've Known It Isn't an Option - WSJ.com

The Democratic Party is urging Americans to choose Medicare as we've always known it rather than a new plan by Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) that would enroll seniors in private health insurance beginning in 2022. This choice is a hoax: Medicare as we've always known it is already gone. It was eviscerated by President Obama's health law. Yet if the president and the Democratic Party successfully bamboozle voters, they may win back independents and registered Democrats who voted for Republicans in 2010. The 2012 election could turn on this falsehood.

The truth is that the Obama health law reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years and spends the money on other programs, including a vast expansion of Medicaid. In 2019, Medicare spending under the Obama health law is projected to be $14,731 per senior, instead of $16,162 if the law had not passed, according to Medicare actuaries (Health Affairs, October 2010).

Such cuts might be justifiable if the savings extended the financial life of Medicare. Mr. Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim. Indeed, even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the claim that reducing spending on Medicare will make it more financially secure for future years.

The fact is that Mr. Obama's law raids Medicare. Mr. Ryan's plan, on the other hand, stops the Medicare heist and puts the funds "saved" in this decade toward health care for another generation of retirees.
more at the source.

She is correct in that Medicare is a bullshit program. There is a moment in history when it became a bullshit program, that moment is when GW signed the 'D' legislation intertwining the Public Bureaucracy with the multiple and mysterious private bureaucracies and their even more mysterious owners, creating a quazi-public / quazi-private bureaucracy designed to move money from the tax payer to the drug and insurance companies using the elderly as the tear-jerking bait.

Ryans plan to feed tax payer dollars to the private bureaucracies for hospital and doctors coverage will create the same confusion in the market and profits for the owners of the private bureaucracies that has PROVEN to be the case with Medicare - D.

We have two and only two choices: Create and maintain a true public bureaucracy that is charged with the responsibility of collecting premiums and paying claims based solely on rules and laws or open the private bureaucracies to true competition across state lines.
 
Meanwhile, real reform of Medicare continues. In the space of 30 days we've seen the first crack at a major restructuring of the incentive structure of the delivery system, the launch of one of the largest public-private patient safety initiatives in recent memory aimed at reducing medical errors and preventing hospital-acquired conditions, and the finalization of guidelines for the soon-to-begin Medicare hospital value-based purchasing program in which hospital reimbursement becomes linked to performance on quality indicators (including measures of patient experience).

The future of Medicare lies in improving the care delivered to seniors, not in dismantling it and denying seniors care as the Ryan proposal would do.
 
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Great article by Betsy McCaughey in today's WSJ on why Ryan's Medicare fix is actually the better alternative. Either way, the Medicare of 5 years ago is gone.
Betsy McCaughey: Medicare As We've Known It Isn't an Option - WSJ.com
Gee.....imagine that.....the Murdoch Street Journal pitching more lies!!

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"Here's the difference: under Ryan's plan, the government pays a set amount for Medicare and you pay for the rest. So far, that's pretty similar to the congressional plan. But that set amount goes up very slowly under Ryan's plan — much more slowly than the actual rise in the cost of health insurance — which means that seniors have to pay a bigger and bigger share of the total premium cost as the years go by."


Carry on.....The Rabbi(t)

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Taking from one program (Medicare Advantage) and spending it on another program is not saving any money at all.
Obama did the same thing when he first got in office. He took 7 billion from a few programs, called it saving and then spent it on other programs.
Saving money is to stop spending period.
We are not going to get anything done until we get the corruption out of Washington.
 
Great article by Betsy McCaughey in today's WSJ on why Ryan's Medicare fix is actually the better alternative. Either way, the Medicare of 5 years ago is gone.
Betsy McCaughey: Medicare As We've Known It Isn't an Option - WSJ.com

The Democratic Party is urging Americans to choose Medicare as we've always known it rather than a new plan by Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) that would enroll seniors in private health insurance beginning in 2022. This choice is a hoax: Medicare as we've always known it is already gone. It was eviscerated by President Obama's health law. Yet if the president and the Democratic Party successfully bamboozle voters, they may win back independents and registered Democrats who voted for Republicans in 2010. The 2012 election could turn on this falsehood.

The truth is that the Obama health law reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years and spends the money on other programs, including a vast expansion of Medicaid. In 2019, Medicare spending under the Obama health law is projected to be $14,731 per senior, instead of $16,162 if the law had not passed, according to Medicare actuaries (Health Affairs, October 2010).

Such cuts might be justifiable if the savings extended the financial life of Medicare. Mr. Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim. Indeed, even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the claim that reducing spending on Medicare will make it more financially secure for future years.

The fact is that Mr. Obama's law raids Medicare. Mr. Ryan's plan, on the other hand, stops the Medicare heist and puts the funds "saved" in this decade toward health care for another generation of retirees.
more at the source.

She is correct in that Medicare is a bullshit program. There is a moment in history when it became a bullshit program, that moment is when GW signed the 'D' legislation intertwining the Public Bureaucracy with the multiple and mysterious private bureaucracies and their even more mysterious owners, creating a quazi-public / quazi-private bureaucracy designed to move money from the tax payer to the drug and insurance companies using the elderly as the tear-jerking bait.

Ryans plan to feed tax payer dollars to the private bureaucracies for hospital and doctors coverage will create the same confusion in the market and profits for the owners of the private bureaucracies that has PROVEN to be the case with Medicare - D.

We have two and only two choices: Create and maintain a true public bureaucracy that is charged with the responsibility of collecting premiums and paying claims based solely on rules and laws or open the private bureaucracies to true competition across state lines.
There's nothing TO Create and maintain.

The work of Creation has already.....


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Meanwhile, real reform of Medicare continues. In the space of 30 days we've seen the first crack at a major restructuring of the incentive structure of the delivery system, the launch of one of the largest public-private patient safety initiatives in recent memory aimed at reducing medical errors and preventing hospital-acquired conditions, and the finalization of guidelines for the soon-to-begin Medicare hospital value-based purchasing program in which hospital reimbursement becomes linked to performance on quality indicators (including measures of patient experience).

The future of Medicare lies in improving the care delivered to seniors, not in dismantling it denying seniors care as the Ryan proposal would do.
Bingo!!!

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Saving money is to stop spending period.
Yeah.....we've heard-about that option (that for-profit health-care-investors LOVE!!)​

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BILL MOYERS: Why is public insurance, a public option, so fiercely opposed by the industry?

WENDELL POTTER: The industry doesn't want to have any competitor. In fact, over the course of the last few years, has been shrinking the number of competitors through a lot of acquisitions and mergers. So first of all, they don't want any more competition period. They certainly don't want it from a government plan that might be operating more efficiently than they are, that they operate. The Medicare program that we have here is a government-run program that has administrative expenses that are like three percent or so.

BILL MOYERS: Compared to the industry's--

WENDELL POTTER: They spend about 20 cents of every premium dollar on overhead, which is administrative expense or profit. So they don't want to compete against a more efficient competitor.

BILL MOYERS: You told Congress that the industry has hijacked our health care system and turned it into a giant ATM for Wall Street. You said, "I saw how they confuse their customers and dump the sick, all so they can satisfy their Wall Street investors." How do they satisfy their Wall Street investors?

WENDELL POTTER: Well, there's a measure of profitability that investors look to, and it's called a medical loss ratio. And it's unique to the health insurance industry. And by medical loss ratio, I mean that it's a measure that tells investors or anyone else how much of a premium dollar is used by the insurance company to actually pay medical claims. And that has been shrinking, over the years, since the industry's been dominated by, or become dominated by for-profit insurance companies. Back in the early '90s, or back during the time that the Clinton plan was being debated, 95 cents out of every dollar was sent, you know, on average was used by the insurance companies to pay claims. Last year, it was down to just slightly above 80 percent.

So, investors want that to keep shrinking. And if they see that an insurance company has not done what they think meets their expectations with the medical loss ratio, they'll punish them. Investors will start leaving in droves.

BILL MOYERS: And less money on profits?

WENDELL POTTER: Exactly. And they think that this company has not done a good job of managing medical expenses. It has not denied enough claims. It has not kicked enough people off the rolls. And that's what-- that is what happens, what these companies do, to make sure that they satisfy Wall Street's expectations with the medical loss ratio.

BILL MOYERS: And they do what to make sure that they keep diminishing the medical loss ratio?

WENDELL POTTER: Rescission is one thing. Denying claims is another. Being, you know, really careful as they review claims, particularly for things like liver transplants, to make sure, from their point of view, that it really is medically necessary and not experimental. That's one thing. And that was that issue in the Nataline Sarkisyan case.

But another way is to purge employer accounts, that-- if a small business has an employee, for example, who suddenly has have a lot of treatment, or is in an accident. And medical bills are piling up, and this employee is filing claims with the insurance company. That'll be noticed by the insurance company.

And when that business is up for renewal, and it typically is up, once a year, up for renewal, the underwriters will look at that. And they'll say, "We need to jack up the rates here, because the experience was," when I say experience, the claim experience, the number of claims filed was more than we anticipated. So we need to jack up the price. Jack up the premiums. Often they'll do this, knowing that the employer will have no alternative but to leave. And that happens all the time.

They'll resort to things like the rescissions that we saw earlier. Or dumping, actually dumping employer groups from the rolls. So the more of my premium that goes to my health claims, pays for my medical coverage, the less money the company makes."

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Ryan's plan allows for seniors to choose between private health care plans and Federal plans.
 
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Great article by Betsy McCaughey in today's WSJ on why Ryan's Medicare fix is actually the better alternative. Either way, the Medicare of 5 years ago is gone.
Betsy McCaughey: Medicare As We've Known It Isn't an Option - WSJ.com

The Democratic Party is urging Americans to choose Medicare as we've always known it rather than a new plan by Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) that would enroll seniors in private health insurance beginning in 2022. This choice is a hoax: Medicare as we've always known it is already gone. It was eviscerated by President Obama's health law. Yet if the president and the Democratic Party successfully bamboozle voters, they may win back independents and registered Democrats who voted for Republicans in 2010. The 2012 election could turn on this falsehood.

The truth is that the Obama health law reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years and spends the money on other programs, including a vast expansion of Medicaid. In 2019, Medicare spending under the Obama health law is projected to be $14,731 per senior, instead of $16,162 if the law had not passed, according to Medicare actuaries (Health Affairs, October 2010).

Such cuts might be justifiable if the savings extended the financial life of Medicare. Mr. Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim. Indeed, even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the claim that reducing spending on Medicare will make it more financially secure for future years.

The fact is that Mr. Obama's law raids Medicare. Mr. Ryan's plan, on the other hand, stops the Medicare heist and puts the funds "saved" in this decade toward health care for another generation of retirees.
more at the source.

if medicare is not an option then its a target .

so whats new .
 
Ryan's plan allows for seniors to choose between private health care plans and Federal plans.

No, it doesn't. That's one of the key reasons that his one-time collaborator, Alice Rivlin, has rejected his proposal:

In the plan Rivlin advocates, she said seniors would have the choice between keeping their current form of Medicare or choosing to enter the pool. In Ryan’s version, he did not keep the beneficiaries with the choice to keep what Rivlin called the “default option.”

“I prefer keeping the old version as a choice,” Rivlin said.

"Medicare is not an option" is actually a pretty good way to describe the Ryan proposal and philosophy. I'll have to remember that.
 
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Great article by Betsy McCaughey in today's WSJ on why Ryan's Medicare fix is actually the better alternative. Either way, the Medicare of 5 years ago is gone.
Betsy McCaughey: Medicare As We've Known It Isn't an Option - WSJ.com

The Democratic Party is urging Americans to choose Medicare as we've always known it rather than a new plan by Rep. Paul Ryan (R., Wis.) that would enroll seniors in private health insurance beginning in 2022. This choice is a hoax: Medicare as we've always known it is already gone. It was eviscerated by President Obama's health law. Yet if the president and the Democratic Party successfully bamboozle voters, they may win back independents and registered Democrats who voted for Republicans in 2010. The 2012 election could turn on this falsehood.

The truth is that the Obama health law reduces future funding for Medicare by $575 billion over the next 10 years and spends the money on other programs, including a vast expansion of Medicaid. In 2019, Medicare spending under the Obama health law is projected to be $14,731 per senior, instead of $16,162 if the law had not passed, according to Medicare actuaries (Health Affairs, October 2010).

Such cuts might be justifiable if the savings extended the financial life of Medicare. Mr. Obama and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius frequently make that false claim. Indeed, even Medicare's mailings to seniors repeat the claim that reducing spending on Medicare will make it more financially secure for future years.

The fact is that Mr. Obama's law raids Medicare. Mr. Ryan's plan, on the other hand, stops the Medicare heist and puts the funds "saved" in this decade toward health care for another generation of retirees.
more at the source.

She is correct in that Medicare is a bullshit program. There is a moment in history when it became a bullshit program, that moment is when GW signed the 'D' legislation intertwining the Public Bureaucracy with the multiple and mysterious private bureaucracies and their even more mysterious owners, creating a quazi-public / quazi-private bureaucracy designed to move money from the tax payer to the drug and insurance companies using the elderly as the tear-jerking bait.

Ryans plan to feed tax payer dollars to the private bureaucracies for hospital and doctors coverage will create the same confusion in the market and profits for the owners of the private bureaucracies that has PROVEN to be the case with Medicare - D.

We have two and only two choices: Create and maintain a true public bureaucracy that is charged with the responsibility of collecting premiums and paying claims based solely on rules and laws or open the private bureaucracies to true competition across state lines.

Wow, only took two posts to blame it all on GWB.

:lol:
 
Great article by Betsy McCaughey in today's WSJ on why Ryan's Medicare fix is actually the better alternative. Either way, the Medicare of 5 years ago is gone.
Betsy McCaughey: Medicare As We've Known It Isn't an Option - WSJ.com


more at the source.

She is correct in that Medicare is a bullshit program. There is a moment in history when it became a bullshit program, that moment is when GW signed the 'D' legislation intertwining the Public Bureaucracy with the multiple and mysterious private bureaucracies and their even more mysterious owners, creating a quazi-public / quazi-private bureaucracy designed to move money from the tax payer to the drug and insurance companies using the elderly as the tear-jerking bait.

Ryans plan to feed tax payer dollars to the private bureaucracies for hospital and doctors coverage will create the same confusion in the market and profits for the owners of the private bureaucracies that has PROVEN to be the case with Medicare - D.

We have two and only two choices: Create and maintain a true public bureaucracy that is charged with the responsibility of collecting premiums and paying claims based solely on rules and laws or open the private bureaucracies to true competition across state lines.

Wow, only took two posts to blame it all on GWB.

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....And, you stupid fuckers who've always supported him are the first to notice!!!

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Special Canada Day Report: How Canada stole the American Dream
- the numbers are in. Compared to the U.S., we work less, live longer, enjoy better health and have more sex. And get this: now we're wealthier too.

June 25, 2008

http://www.macleans.ca/canada/national/article.jsp?content=20080625_50113_50113
I demand that US conservatives take immediate action and "educate" America's northern neighbor as to political and economic "error of its ways!"

Its one thing to talk about the American Dream BUT its quite another for others to enjoy - particulatily when they've had the "audacity" to achieve it without the divine guidance from the American "right!"

To make matters worse, persistent rumors continue to circulate that since 2008, the economic and social gap between the average Canadian and his/her American counterpart actually continues to grow. Is it true that the Canada dollar has surged to $1.05 American?

What would happen if Americans were allowed to fully appreciate that a viable universal healthcare option, just north of the border, has existed for the past 40 years, and that it provides a far more comprehensive system than Medicare, Mdeicade and Obamacare combined - and at only a fraction of the cost.?

It is just not premissable for these ungrateful "socialists" to work less, save more, have longer vacation time, retire earlier, live longer (by 3.01 years according to the 2011 CIA Wotld Factbook) and enjoy a higher standard of living (Human Development Index). It completely undermines all the political, economic and social "realities" that Americans gave been conditioned to accept.

For Canadians to enjoy more sex is not only unChristian - its unAmerican.

Without the benefit of American guidance, how were those "socialists" largely able to avoid "subprime loans" and real estate meltdown.

"To add insult to injury" how can America allow that "politically incorrect" nation to benefit from what is internationally recognized as the best banking system on the world - is nothing sacred?
 
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Special Canada Day Report: How Canada stole the American Dream
- the numbers are in. Compared to the U.S., we work less, live longer, enjoy better health and have more sex. And get this: now we're wealthier too.

June 25, 2008

Special Canada Day Report: How Canada stole the American Dream | Macleans.ca - Canada - Features
I demand that US conservatives take immediate action and "educate" America's northern neighbor as to political and economic "error of its ways!"

Its one thing to talk about the American Dream BUT its quite another for others to enjoy - particulatily when they've had the "audacity" to achieve it without the divine guidance from the American "right!"

To make matters worse, persistent rumors continue to circulate that since 2008, the economic and social gap between the average Canadian and his/her American counterpart actually continues to grow. Is it true that the Canada dollar has surged to $1.05 American?

What would happen if Americans were allowed to fully appreciate that a viable universal healthcare option, just north of the border, has existed for the past 40 years, and that it provides a far more comprehensive system than Medicare, Mdeicade and Obamacare combined - and at only a fraction of the cost.?

It is just not premissable for these ungrateful "socialists" to work less, save more, have longer vacation time, retire earlier, live longer (by 3.01 years according to the 2011 CIA Wotld Factbook) and enjoy a higher standard of living (Human Development Index). It completely undermines all the political, economic and social "realities" that Americans gave been conditioned to accept.

For Canadians to enjoy more sex is not only unChristian - its unAmerican.

Without the benefit of American guidance, how were those "socialists" largely able to avoid "subprime loans" and real estate meltdown.

"To add insult to injury" how can America allow that "politically incorrect" nation to benefit from what is internationally recognized as the best banking system on the world - is nothing sacred?

the only thing Canada has ever done the wrong thing was when they let all those American cowards doge the draft and run up there .
its a great country even if their currency is not worth as much as ours , the land is just beautiful . people are nice , pots legal .
 
Taking from one program (Medicare Advantage) and spending it on another program is not saving any money at all.
Obama did the same thing when he first got in office. He took 7 billion from a few programs, called it saving and then spent it on other programs.
Saving money is to stop spending period.
We are not going to get anything done until we get the corruption out of Washington.

Hey, it was you dumb ass Republicans that put a felon as Govenor of Florida. Someone who defrauded Medicare out of 1.7 billion dollars.



But Scott has vowed to repeal the measure and has already eliminated the state's Office of Drug Control, which was supposed to help manage the database. One reason, he says, is that the database is too costly — even though its budget is just $1.2 million, and even that is being picked up by federal grants and private donations. Scott — who in 1997 resigned under a cloud as CEO of Columbia/HCA, the world's largest hospital corporation, when it was busted for massive Medicare fraud (although he wasn't charged personally) — calls the database an invasion of privacy, despite the fact that few such concerns have been raised in the 34 other states that have similar monitoring systems. "I'm extremely, extremely disappointed in the governor," GOP state senator Mike Fasano, who sponsored the legislation, said.

Fasano isn't the only Sunshine State Republican who is fuming. State-senate budget chairman J.D. Alexander told Scott that the governor violated Florida law recently when he sold two state airplanes and redirected the sale proceeds without consulting the legislature. Although Alexander had supported selling the aircraft, he scolded Scott in a letter for "not respecting the Legislature's constitutional duty." Scott says his counsel told him the unilateral move was legal, but Alexander appears to have the state constitution on his side.
(See "40 Under 40: The Rising Stars of American Politics.")

But few actions have angered Florida pols in both parties more than Scott's February rejection of $2.4 billion in federal stimulus money for a $2.7 billion high-speed rail line between Tampa and Orlando. It would have been the first component in a proposed bullet-train system to alleviate traffic woes on Florida's long, car-clogged peninsula, not to mention a local incubator for the sorely needed high-tech enterprise. The GOP-led state legislature had spent the past two years laboring to win the federal funds, which the Obama Administration may now hand off to California. But Scott, who made clear his contempt for all things public sector during his campaign last year, called it a wasteful project that would end up putting "state taxpayers on the hook" despite the federal largesse. Two-thirds of Florida's 40 state senators rebuked him — most of them Republicans — including the senate majority leader.



Read more: Florida Governor Rick Scott Upsets Republican Lawmakers - TIME
 

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